is world peace attainable?

[WengIA]

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world peace is not part of God's plan? 'cause a certain verse says about God bringing a sword..that families will rise against each other?
i beg to disagree.. Jesus was rather talking about the division that His revelation would bring to men, even within their own families.
this illutrates the reality of conflict or perspectives.
i'd like to think that this conflict is like a passage towards a better end..like a rainbow after the rain, light at the end of the tunnel, falling so we would we know to get back up scenarios..

that's why noy dili jud pwede ma attained ang world peace due to the fact of division. the concept of world peace is equality and unity between all countries. kung mismo ang sulod gani sa balay nagkabahin2x na unsa pa kaha ang kalibutanong kalinaw diba? it is not attainable jud. and also noy if we try to figure out the concept of the tower of babel story. that is one reason why we lived to be divided. matud pang bai slab idea vs idea, bible vs bible, pov vs pov, istoryan vs istoryan. oh' dba? diha pa ang tumba na ta. how come world peace be attained in this situation? It is not really a part of a God's plan due to a fact that we are given a freedom to do our will. and people always did his own will,seek his own direction.A God's Plan is for us to live in peace with Him and have everlasting life not to live in a world peace.

people have different perspectives and this difference is one if not the main cuase of conflict between people..but what we tend to forget is that conflict is a choice just as much as acceptance is.
we have a choice between conflict and acceptance.

mao bitaw ang giingun sa atong Ginoo is higugmaon ang usag usa sama sa atong paghigugma sa atong kaugalingon unya wala na hinuon sa plano ang peace?

i beg to disagree wit this noy conflict, wars, struggles are not by choice kinsa ba gusto og ingon ani.?but it is a law of nature through symbiotic relationships in order to survive, grow, and strong. bisan pag ikaw pa pinakaperpektong tao niining kaibutana noy dili ko motuo nga dili ka moagi anang butanga. cuz as what i said life is always a battle as long as you are here on earth you will taste the chaos emotionally & physically.from time to time conflicts,wars and struggles will rise. Naa sa plano ang peace noy ang wala sa plano is ang world peace kay kung planu pa na sa Ginoo ingon ani na na. Love the world as you love yourself. Mao na dili jud ma.attained sa kalibutan ang kalinaw kay ang kalinaw naa mahitabo sa matag individual.

choosing to accept the reality of diversity within ourselves. choosing to respect other point of views because that is exactly what we want others to do for us whenever naay differences.gusto ta nga sabton ta, so mao pud ang angay natong buhaton. now, if atong sundon ang giingon sa Ginoo bahin sa "loving others as we love ourselves" imagine kitang tanan mobuhat ana?
unfortunately, what is happening in the world today is the opposite. even within households, especially kung maghisgut na ug religious or political views..

loving others as we love ourselves noy is the concept of giving value and respect to its individual. it is not an assurance to attain world peace. kay ngano mismo imong kaugalingon dili perpekto ur fighting with your own weaknesses pa man gani. example " gidid-an nako kaon og lechon bai sa Doctor pero nikaon jud kog usa ka lechon atong new year. even you love,value and respect your own.there is a big possibility and most of the time nga dili nimo sundon imong kaugalingon but fortunately you still love and value your life. mao bisan pag nagkahigugmaay og repetohay tang tanan dili nimo mapugngan ilang decision nga mobuhat og dili mosunod sa imong gusto.

mao ning ingun ko nga kahibaw man ta tanan unsay buhaton, because naa na sa atong konsensya..but i never said that it's easy nor it is possible. point ra jud nako is kahibaw ta tanan unsay buhaton and that world peace is not a wish or some sort..it is a choice. the possibility of world peace depends on our choices..

kung bato na ta tanan sama sa imung giingun, samot siguro nga walay peace..but the complete opposite instead. everything will be chaotic 'cause our ability to empathize,sympathize,forgive,reach out and Love which makes us human have been taken away.

since we're talking about biblical verses, i happen to come across with this one
"glory to God in the highest! And on earth, peace among people of good will" Luke 2-14
so peace is indeed attainable, at least with goodwill. now, don't each one of us have the choice of goodwill?

anyways, however you see things should fit, it's all good.imoha pud na bai.

mao ni noy nga dili jud attainable ang world peace. kay kitang tanan nagkalahi2x og perception sa kinabuhi. og kung ipamugos nato ang World Peace for sure we have to suppressed our emotion and encourage total obedience with no choice as a sacrifice which is mosamot na hinuon ka chaotic. kay wala na tay Freedom and we are oblige to follow and obey to World order. i dissect nato ang verse bai noy ha. the peace is intended among the people of good will (we can see a division in this phrase "for those people of good will) and not on earth cuz God know's Earth will not inherit Peace.

Mao ni giingon bai noy gi value ta ka girespeto ta ka gi love ta ka isip usa ka indivdual. but we have differences in other aspects you have to pursued your own and i will pursued my own.

World Peace not attainable but Peace among each individual is attainable.

[slabs18]

mo ko ani bai @WengIA

[noy]

that's why noy dili jud pwede ma attained ang world peace due to the fact of division. the concept of world peace is equality and unity between all countries. kung mismo ang sulod gani sa balay nagkabahin2x na unsa pa kaha ang kalibutanong kalinaw diba? it is not attainable jud. and also noy if we try to figure out the concept of the tower of babel story. that is one reason why we lived to be divided. matud pang bai slab idea vs idea, bible vs bible, pov vs pov, istoryan vs istoryan. oh' dba? diha pa ang tumba na ta. how come world peace be attained in this situation? It is not really a part of a God's plan due to a fact that we are given a freedom to do our will. and people always did his own will,seek his own direction.A God's Plan is for us to live in peace with Him and have everlasting life not to live in a world peace.

nice, but differences in perspectives and principles doesn't really have to be mixed with ill feelings.

like prehas sa ato karon, lahi ta ug perspective pero we are able to maintain a peaceful discussion or at least that's how i see what this is.hehe
you see? we are already an example of what my point is..
pwede ka mupili nga magsinalto or magbinastos or magkig away tungod sa panaglahi sa atong panahom but you chose otherwise.
unity doesn't really mean uniformity.. we can still be united as human beings even if we have different ideas. .all we have to do is to choose to respect.
(mura man kog mulansar ani..hahaha)

these talks about God's plan is actually beside my point bai..hehehehe
the main point is that if we want to have world peace.. then we must choose to work for it..pero kung dili jud pwede, aw dili raman pud ko mamugos..hehehe..
but one thing is for certain, God has granted us the will to choose..

i beg to disagree wit this noy conflict, wars, struggles are not by choice kinsa ba gusto og ingon ani.?but it is a law of nature through symbiotic relationships in order to survive, grow, and strong. bisan pag ikaw pa pinakaperpektong tao niining kaibutana noy dili ko motuo nga dili ka moagi anang butanga. cuz as what i said life is always a battle as long as you are here on earth you will taste the chaos emotionally & physically.from time to time conflicts,wars and struggles will rise. Naa sa plano ang peace noy ang wala sa plano is ang world peace kay kung planu pa na sa Ginoo ingon ani na na. Love the world as you love yourself. Mao na dili jud ma.attained sa kalibutan ang kalinaw kay ang kalinaw naa mahitabo sa matag individual.

Good point, but how is it that some people are able to keep their calm and patience? how is it that those people are able to choose that path of positivity and peacefulness despite the reality of differences?
of course, ning agi pud na sila ug makapila nga sipyat usa nila nakat-onan ang pagpasensya,pagsabut ug pagrespeto but ang point is, attainable and possible jud diay kung gustohon.

struggles and hardships are inevitable but how we react to them will remain dependent with our choices.
this is not about perfection bai, it's about knowing what to do and what are we doing about it..

so wala jud sa plano ang world peace kay love others and giingun instead of love the world? hehehehe..
this world per se is composed of individuals(the ones referred to by Jesus as others), which then makes "world" and "others" synonymous in context.

loving others as we love ourselves noy is the concept of giving value and respect to its individual. it is not an assurance to attain world peace.

Yes, that commandment never did assure world peace rather it is a guiding principle towards peace.. imagine if each and everyone in the household would love other members of the family as they love themselves, what do you think will happen? of course we get a peaceful home. now imagine if the whole world would do so..

kay ngano mismo imong kaugalingon dili perpekto ur fighting with your own weaknesses pa man gani. example " gidid-an nako kaon og lechon bai sa Doctor pero nikaon jud kog usa ka lechon atong new year. even you love,value and respect your own.there is a big possibility and most of the time nga dili nimo sundon imong kaugalingon but fortunately you still love and value your life. mao bisan pag nagkahigugmaay og repetohay tang tanan dili nimo mapugngan ilang decision nga mobuhat og dili mosunod sa imong gusto.

True that, despite of our imperfections we still value and love ourselves. so why can't we do that to others? diba mao man nay naa sa Bible giingun ni Jesus?"love others as you love yourself" even centuries earlier, na figure out na na ni confucius nga maoy angay buhaton hence, labeled as the "golden rule".
so are you saying nga impossible ang gitudlo ni Jesus? why in the world would He command to do such an impossible task?

mao ni noy nga dili jud attainable ang world peace. kay kitang tanan nagkalahi2x og perception sa kinabuhi. og kung ipamugos nato ang World Peace for sure we have to suppressed our emotion and encourage total obedience with no choice as a sacrifice

i don't think our ways would be so different if we do things in the name of Love, Char! LOL
to be peaceful doesn't necessarily mean magpa daog2x..again, if people would root their ideals in respect and love..naa pa ba kahay mudaog-daog in the first place?

example:
muslim: Jesus is not God, for me the Trinity is an abomination to Allah.
Christian:Ok, rejecting Jesus is also an abomination to the Father so what now?
muslim: nothing, that is your belief, continue practicing your beliefs and i will continue mine.
Christian: ok, you wanna have lunch together?
muslim:sure, as long as you'll not trick me with eating pork. Lol
--diverse religious views but united in respect.

wa man siguroy na daog-daog diha sa example bai most of all, both were even able to exercise religious freedom.

Mao ni giingon bai noy gi value ta ka girespeto ta ka gi love ta ka isip usa ka indivdual. but we have differences in other aspects you have to pursued your own and i will pursued my own.

exactly bai, what you are saying is actually the first step towards a greater peace.
respect for differences.
like i said earlier, only if we base our perspectives in love and respect, i don't think the diversities in our views will bear that much difference and most of all, i don't believe that the diversities of our views will cause harm to ourselves.

World Peace not attainable but Peace among each individual is attainable.

perhaps, i see your point trust me, i even believe that your views are more right and probable than mine. perhaps i am just holding on to my hope in our humanity and our ability to choose to love and respect. so much that it becomes a cliche, a wishful thinking or some sort..hehehe..

besides, i never said that there will be world peace, all i ever said is that it is possible if want it..pero kung di jud itugot aw ayos naman pud ko anang individual peace

[slabs18]

Hahaha @noy for congress

[ban_ko]

World peace is attainable. It's just a matter of choosing peace in times of conflict.

@Noy
possible is the word. Still Noy for congress

[buyogon]

No chance, wala pa na taw atong lolo nagsige naman gubat, naglisod gani attain og "peace" sa atong nasod, sa world na nuon puro na lang ta ani mga 'ifs"

[WengIA]

@noy

nice, but differences in perspectives and principles doesn't really have to be mixed with ill feelings.

like prehas sa ato karon, lahi ta ug perspective pero we are able to maintain a peaceful discussion or at least that's how i see what this is.hehe
you see? we are already an example of what my point is..
pwede ka mupili nga magsinalto or magbinastos or magkig away tungod sa panaglahi sa atong panahom but you chose otherwise.
unity doesn't really mean uniformity.. we can still be united as human beings even if we have different ideas. .all we have to do is to choose to respect.
(mura man kog mulansar ani..hahaha)

these talks about God's plan is actually beside my point bai..hehehehe
the main point is that if we want to have world peace.. then we must choose to work for it..pero kung dili jud pwede, aw dili raman pud ko mamugos..hehehe..
but one thing is for certain, God has granted us the will to choose..

tama ka noy perspectives and principles doesn't really have to be mixed with ill feelings but the question is how far it will sustain. most of the time people have inconsistency of their emotions which brings lapses. And i do believe jud noy if ever World peace will exist this will bring to World order and One government. many things will collapse including businesses, currencies, aspects in life including cultures,values, and norms, church will be in deep trouble. Imagine the world without fighting scenes. hehehe! this will not bring satisfaction to us. And i'm also certain to that bai noy, God has granted us the will to choose for our satisfaction to have peace and happiness of our humanity and not for the sake of this worldliness.

Good point, but how is it that some people are able to keep their calm and patience? how is it that those people are able to choose that path of positivity and peacefulness despite the reality of differences?
of course, ning agi pud na sila ug makapila nga sipyat usa nila nakat-onan ang pagpasensya,pagsabut ug pagrespeto but ang point is, attainable and possible jud diay kung gustohon.

struggles and hardships are inevitable but how we react to them will remain dependent with our choices.
this is not about perfection bai, it's about knowing what to do and what are we doing about it..

We are all unique bai noy,there are people who has the capacity to suppressed their emotion in a longevity period. not all people possessed this character. Our different culture's and norms deeply influence on this.yeah i see your point bai, this is not about perfection but either you are perfect or not this will go the same thing. you cannot say if you are in deep trouble with hardship and struggle you have to choose to react in great shape of course you will justify it with conflict behaviors and not at peace.

so wala jud sa plano ang world peace kay love others and giingun instead of love the world? hehehehe..
this world per se is composed of individuals(the ones referred to by Jesus as others), which then makes "world" and "others" synonymous in context.

Ingon ani man gud ni sya bai noy.In my own point of view, We believe in Creation d'ba so based on it we can justify this things. We are the ones who destroyed the peaceful inhabitants in the Genesis which is designed by God. Due to disobedience death came upon humanity but since God is Merciful, He give chances that we have to enjoy what we had started kay ngano pwede deretso patyon sa Ginoo si Adam and Eve pagka sala na nila mao moingon ko gitagaan jud tag chance nga mag enjoy jud niining kalibutana together sa atong own will in a condition that we are already mortal in physical aspects that we have also to indulge and have an affair to struggle,sorrow, miserable and etc. nga na inherit nato through sin. And just because of this dili na ta fit in nga mopuyo sa gitawag nato nga ideal place. kining gitawag nato nga World Peace apil ni sa atong ideal place. Mao ning gi-itsapwera ang tao sa Garden of Eden ,mao na unta tong sugod sa gitawag nato nga ideal place that posses peaceful place to dwell. So mao ni naa ta aning kalibutana karon nga full of violence & cruelty kay mao diri ta fit in sa atong status sa pagkinabuhi isip tao nga makasasala na with our own will.So dili jud pwede ma attained ang World Peace sa estado sa atong pagkinabuhi karon.Mao ni moingon ko wala ni sa Plano sa Ginoo kay naa na gihimo ang Ginoo nga Ideal nga lugar og apil ni unya sa gitawag nato nga eternal life which are gift to those who obey Him. Mao dili jud attainable ang World Peace kay dili na jud ni fit in sa atong Pagkinabuhi ibabaw niining kalibutana. and this is the reason why world and humanity are not synonymous in terms with this issue.

True that, despite of our imperfections we still value and love ourselves. so why can't we do that to others? diba mao man nay naa sa Bible giingun ni Jesus?"love others as you love yourself" even centuries earlier, na figure out na na ni confucius nga maoy angay buhaton hence, labeled as the "golden rule".
so are you saying nga impossible ang gitudlo ni Jesus? why in the world would He command to do such an impossible task?

This is not impossible bai noy. Ang pagtulon-an nga gitudlo ni Jesus og ang rason nga gipadala sya sa kalibutan is for us to have salvation and inherit the so called immortality, eternal life, nirvana or whatsoever. not intended to have World Peace as we journey our life on earth.

i don't think our ways would be so different if we do things in the name of Love, Char! LOL
to be peaceful doesn't necessarily mean magpa daog2x..again, if people would root their ideals in respect and love..naa pa ba kahay mudaog-daog in the first place?

example:
muslim: Jesus is not God, for me the Trinity is an abomination to Allah.
Christian:Ok, rejecting Jesus is also an abomination to the Father so what now?
muslim: nothing, that is your belief, continue practicing your beliefs and i will continue mine.
Christian: ok, you wanna have lunch together?
muslim:sure, as long as you'll not trick me with eating pork. Lol
--diverse religious views but united in respect.

wa man siguroy na daog-daog diha sa example bai most of all, both were even able to exercise religious freedom.

Unta ingon ana tanan ang pagsabot sa tanang tao but this is not what happen now. just because all people seek power and position gustong modominate. matud pa sa serepente kan-a ning prutasa og ma-abli imong mga mata og maparehas ka sa Ginoo nga makahibalo sa matarung og dautan. hehehe! aw perte ilara sa tao kanindot ba anang mapareha ta sa Ginoo unya makabalo sa matarong og dautan. the more you have wisdom niining kalibutana you will gain power and position above this earth. ingon ani ang trend sa kalibutan.

exactly bai, what you are saying is actually the first step towards a greater peace.
respect for differences.
like i said earlier, only if we base our perspectives in love and respect, i don't think the diversities in our views will bear that much difference and most of all, i don't believe that the diversities of our views will cause harm to ourselves.

there are lots of aspects nga mo complicate sa gitawag nato og Peace bai noy not only about diversity. Samtang nagtan-aw ko sa Prosisyon ni Black Nazarene nakahuna2x ko ngano man nagkahiusa naman unta ang tao sa ilang tumong pero naay nangamatay naay nanga piang naay natamakan ang tiil naay nasuffocate naay nagbinunlotay naay uban lahi pud og tumong dautan ang tumong.naa jud magsuffer.makaingon ba ta naay Peace sa Prosisyon ni Black Nazarene kung ingon ani ang kahimtang? ang huna2x sa tao gusto kong makahikap sa Black Nazarene just because i want power of miracles,healing, granting one's desire etc.(wanting a power) kinahanglan makaduol ko kinahanglan makagunit ko sa pisi aron murag duol2x na lang ko sa Black Nazarene modutdot ko mopansak sa nilibo ka tao aron maduol lang ko og makalabay ko sa akong towel or panyo. (its about Position).. Pila ka milyon ang tao sa tibuok kalibutan? wala ra kaabot og 3/4 ang nagprosisyon. Mao dili jud i grant ang World Peace sa Kalibutan kay ang atong pagkatawo mismo dili fit-in sa gitawag nato nga World Peace.

perhaps, i see your point trust me, i even believe that your views are more right and probable than mine. perhaps i am just holding on to my hope in our humanity and our ability to choose to love and respect. so much that it becomes a cliche, a wishful thinking or some sort..hehehe..

besides, i never said that there will be world peace, all i ever said is that it is possible if want it..pero kung di jud itugot aw ayos naman pud ko anang individual peace

There are some things in this world ra jud noy nga We have to Let God do the rest. kay kung sa Computer pa ni sya ra nakahibalo unsaon pag reformat or iya ba kaha ilisdan og bag-o

P.S before i forget hahaha! just watch The Equilibrium & The Snowpeircer daghan ta makat-unan ani nga movie. kung wala pa ka makakita ani bai noy. Try to watch. It's an eye opener sad nga movie. i recommend also those wala pa nakakita ani nga movie daghan jud ta ma-realize promise.

[noy]

@WengIA tinuod bya pud imu giingon..given the inclination of most men's heart in these times, murag hanap na jud ang world peace..i still believe that world peace being just a choice away is inline with reality but what makes the idea a cliche is that there are some people who would simply choose otherwise is far more real.
i guess ang world peace kay sa new jerusalem nalang..after all, it's heaven touching earth man daw..so world peace gihapun..Lol

[danver2099]

" Man seeks peace, yet at the same time yearning for war. Thinking of peace whilst spilling blood is something only human could do. They’re two sides of the same coin. "


- Madara Uchiha

[Emax]

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