Subic Rape Case ---> Naa ba gyud kahang Rape?

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See even the news STREETCAR got in the US is a different version . Nobody really knew what exactly happened !! But to thmselves NICHOL and SMITH alone and nobody knew who is telling the truth and who is lying , we all can only assume and laydown our opinions yet trust me , my OPINIONS has basis for it why she WASNT RAPED at all .

[skobadagank]

I meant to post here and come back to this thread about why Nicole went to Subic. The news here was that she went there with a group of friends to celebrate a birthday. Nicole comes from a rich family. The sequence of events that followed am not very sure but what i heard was that the marine who raped her rushly did so because their ship was departing. And because the marine got so panicky when Nicole started acting rowdy and loud, she was dropped off the side of a highway unintentionally as they were running out of time and have to head back to the ship. As far as the condom being used or found i would think any men these days is always prepared with a condom in his wallet.

she didnt come from a rich family kay sad to say his dad is an army man and her mother is a housewife. in addition, if indeed they are rich, why go to subic? mas marami ok na bars sa manila like greenbelt and well..sa malate kung hanap nya ay penpal na joe!

[junmar4]

she didnt come from a rich family kay sad to say his dad is an army man and her mother is a housewife. in addition, if indeed they are rich, why go to subic? mas marami ok na bars sa manila like greenbelt and well..sa malate kung hanap nya ay penpal na joe!

do you know from where she is?

[cerebus]

so, she did go to cop and i think she also went to get the 'medico-legal' thing to have a case (i read about it). every rape is a high profile case? people are jaded of the number of rapes occuring every day. it is only high profile it involves celebrity or in this case, an american soldier. hell, even priest don't count anymore. about benjamin franklin, methinks no money was involve.

YES a MEDICO LEGAL weeks later if not months later for FORMALITY and PAPERWORKS . Where did you read it that it happened in 48 hours ? Thats the protocol of rape victims under the supervision of the " SHELTER for WOMEN " and advocates . You thenks there is no MONEY involved ? Oh trust me her ACTING in CRYING is very expensive according to CARLO J.CAPARAS and MOTHER LILY . Pasi-aw ra na ha .

"She also questioned Nicole how, if she was already dazed on arriving at the James L. Gordon Memorial Hospital in Olongapo City, she still managed to request her stepsister to ask the doctor if she could urinate before undergoing a medical examination." - http://www.topix.net/forum/world/sou...MM22RV2905K/p4. where did yo get yours? about shelters and advocate, they don't have the authority. it's the police. what do you mean about the money and acting stuff? she could sell her story? hmm. . . i think she could get more if she settled with the accused.

ahh. . . our perception of subic. i've been there once on a class tour but i don't think it's like vietnam. i don't think everyone there, or went there, is a prostitute. is that bad that if you met anyone there, it brands you as an ill-repute? thank, buddha i'm not from there. you know if your are a service member and was granted liberty, you only have limited time or just restricted to the area close to where you are currently based. so, i think it's convenient for them to meet there.

Youve been only there once as what you claimed from your field trip. It is not even what it looks like right now compared before they shut down the Naval Base . Ahh indeed our perception .. I doubt your FACILITATOR even went to the RED LIGHT DISTRICT , I know I was there and partied with the local adies and Gringgo club owners alike ..

no, sir and if they did i won't join them because i'm afraid i'll pee on my pants. hehe. anyway, with what i seen from subic, it's not all that. like cebu city. it's not pimp chasing after your car. no, sir it's more than that.

don't think everyone there, or went there, is a prostitute. is that bad that if you met anyone there, it brands you as an ill-repute? thank, buddha i'm not from there. you know if your are a service member and was granted liberty, you only have limited time or just restricted to the area close to where you are currently based. so, i think it's convenient for them to meet there.

What do you know about LIBERTIES and SERVICE MEMBERS ... care to explain further ? A female in Gapo who is not from Gapo is there at the same time VFA players are present is a COINCIDENCE eh ? I had my liberty in Makati and Quezon City when I had my battle group in Subic in 2000 while on the CARAT CRUISE training with the Philippine Navy . Heck daghan nasuya na mga langyao nako asa daw nakuha si TIKLAH na lami kaau and pila daw ako gibayad niya .... hehehe hapit to nako tuk-a bai kay si TIKLAH ako nang asawa .

oh, i read it somewhere. coincidence? she was looking for fun when she went there but not the rape.

tsismis before ni-report sa pulis sa ani nga case? i just stated in my previous message that witnesses saw that she was dumped in a pier with her pants down in the other way. i think what happened next is she went to the copper. you think it was not rape after what was done to her after the ***?

Hehehe ... you seem havent dig deeper to the core on what I am trying to portray . Like us karon arent we doing CHISMIS ? We dont really know what happened . They can only PROVE that indeed *** occured , but there is no FORCED ENTRY sa TALIB kay di nako kamao mo ininglis ana na terminoha . That means walay FORCED entry naay CONSENT right wala lang nagkadimao and with the right connections and backings of powerful and influential people ... they nailed him down .

at least we could talked about it in sensible way. i prefer to call it discussion. i do this to stimulate my lead-poisoned brain. how did you know there is no forced entry? i don't believe in the connection and backings of powerful and influential people influenced the case. if the president have his way, it should be settled quietly because it is damaging the relationship with US but it is out of his hand. see where's smith is staying now? what 'did' smith on this case? in my opinion, when she drop the girl on the pier.

[tulisan666]

medyo OT
:nasaan na si Smith ngayon? last time kong nakita sa balita, itinakas na sa US embassy. Hindi ba sya nakakulong sa munti? if so, pinabayaan na ba ng gobyerno na itakas si Smith, not respecting our judicial system eh.

[cerebus]

I meant to post here and come back to this thread about why Nicole went to Subic. The news here was that she went there with a group of friends to celebrate a birthday. Nicole comes from a rich family. The sequence of events that followed am not very sure but what i heard was that the marine who raped her rushly did so because their ship was departing. And because the marine got so panicky when Nicole started acting rowdy and loud, she was dropped off the side of a highway unintentionally as they were running out of time and have to head back to the ship. As far as the condom being used or found i would think any men these days is always prepared with a condom in his wallet.

that is so different from what we got here. did the case got a lot of coverage there?

[junmar4]

@cerebus - mura'g daghan man ka nahibaw-an about ni nicole, kahibawo ka tagaasa siya?

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"She also questioned Nicole how, if she was already dazed on arriving at the James L. Gordon Memorial Hospital in Olongapo City, she still managed to request her stepsister to ask the doctor if she could urinate before undergoing a medical examination." - http://www.topix.net/forum/world/sou...MM22RV2905K/p4.

SOurce from another forum ? Is that 48 hours after it happened ?

where did yo get yours?

Where did I get mine ? Ive read it somewhere else in a PHILIPPINE NEWSPAPER . Not from an online discussion filled with 2nd , 3rd and 4th hand informations . I am not saying the source was accurate , but at least compared to a forum ?

about shelters and advocate, they don't have the authority. it's the police.

WHo told you that ? When you see kids being abandoned and neglected ... they dont go to POLICE , they go to DSWD as an example . When you see women who are sexually abused and battered , they o to these organizations that are meant for them .

what do you mean about the money and acting stuff? she could sell her story? hmm. . . i think she could get more if she settled with the accused.

Thats exactly what happened ! But a price good enough for both PARTIES ... NICHOL and the POLITICIANS . A lower sentence for a price SMITH cant say NO and a deal of VFA agreements that will make the opposition a happy camper towards its climb of and struggle of power for Malacanang .

no, sir and if they did i won't join them because i'm afraid i'll pee on my pants. hehe. anyway, with what i seen from subic, it's not all that. like cebu city. it's not pimp chasing after your car. no, sir it's more than that.

You must be crazy to think that ALL of SUBIC is like that . No its not , a certain area where all of these characters existed like whatr we also have in Cebu . The only difference is the population and the clients .

oh, i read it somewhere. coincidence? she was looking for fun when she went there but not the rape.

WOuld SUBIC be your choice of FUN if youre from ZAMBO ?

at least we could talked about it in sensible way. i prefer to call it discussion. i do this to stimulate my lead-poisoned brain. how did you know there is no forced entry? i don't believe in the connection and backings of powerful and influential people influenced the case.

Thats your opinion , but dont close your eyes and shut your ears . How do I know there is NO FORCED ENTRY ? I am asking you that question " HOW DID YOU KNOW THERE IS A FORCED ENTRY ? " Its you who needs to answer that because you said you can proved it that there is RAPE . Look around you and tell me whats going on when UNCLE SAM is involved in any issues . WHo helped her ? The councilors of ZAMBOANGA ?

if the president have his way, it should be settled quietly because it is damaging the relationship with US but it is out of his hand.

So to avoid the damage , it should be done SCANDALOUSLY ? That is the whole point of the SUBIC RAPE CASE .

see where's smith is staying now? what 'did' smith on this case? in my opinion, when she drop the girl on the pier.

SMITH is under the custody of the US government subjected to Philippine Law . VFA agreement being enfoced at its fullest .

[cerebus]

"She also questioned Nicole how, if she was already dazed on arriving at the James L. Gordon Memorial Hospital in Olongapo City, she still managed to request her stepsister to ask the doctor if she could urinate before undergoing a medical examination." - http://www.topix.net/forum/world/sou...MM22RV2905K/p4.

SOurce from another forum ? Is that 48 hours after it happened ?

ahem. it's from a blog for sure but the quote is based from the court hearing. she's still dazed when the examination was done. which i presumed after the they went to the police.

where did yo get yours?

Where did I get mine ? Ive read it somewhere else in a PHILIPPINE NEWSPAPER . Not from an online discussion filled with 2nd , 3rd and 4th hand informations . I am not saying the source was accurate , but at least compared to a forum ?

hope you could give us a ]about shelters and advocate, they don't have the authority. it's the police. [/quote]

WHo told you that ? When you see kids being abandoned and neglected ... they dont go to POLICE , they go to DSWD as an example . When you see women who are sexually abused and battered , they o to these organizations that are meant for them .

no one told me. it just make sense. in case of a crime, go to the police. if you need support or shelter because of an abuse, those organization.

what do you mean about the money and acting stuff? she could sell her story? hmm. . . i think she could get more if she settled with the accused.

Thats exactly what happened ! But a price good enough for both PARTIES ... NICHOL and the POLITICIANS . A lower sentence for a price SMITH cant say NO and a deal of VFA agreements that will make the opposition a happy camper towards its climb of and struggle of power for Malacanang .

i cannot comprehend what you are writing. sorry. it's the girl's party decision. it's not the politician. maybe they could influence her decision but it seems they didn't. but if the reason that she file a rape case for a money, she should have settled before it went to court because she cannot get any if the judge already ruled the case.

no, sir and if they did i won't join them because i'm afraid i'll pee on my pants. hehe. anyway, with what i seen from subic, it's not all that. like cebu city. it's not pimp chasing after your car. no, sir it's more than that.

You must be crazy to think that ALL of SUBIC is like that . No its not , a certain area where all of these characters existed like whatr we also have in Cebu . The only difference is the population and the clients .

i've been accused of being crazy before so it's ok with me. but i can say subic is not that bad.

oh, i read it somewhere. coincidence? she was looking for fun when she went there but not the rape.

WOuld SUBIC be your choice of FUN if youre from ZAMBO ?

disney for me would be fun but for her it's not my call. if it is subic for her ti supportahan ko siya. different strokes for different folks.

at least we could talked about it in sensible way. i prefer to call it discussion. i do this to stimulate my lead-poisoned brain. how did you know there is no forced entry? i don't believe in the connection and backings of powerful and influential people influenced the case.

Thats your opinion , but dont close your eyes and shut your ears . How do I know there is NO FORCED ENTRY ? I am asking you that question " HOW DID YOU KNOW THERE IS A FORCED ENTRY ? " Its you who needs to answer that because you said you can proved it that there is RAPE . Look around you and tell me whats going on when UNCLE SAM is involved in any issues . WHo helped her ? The councilors of ZAMBOANGA ?

oh, i will neither close my eyes nor shut my eyes. sorry, the question is for me. actually it's inconclusive. always. in rape cases, it's always the testimony of the accuser have more weight. man, her case is like manna for this politicans. of course, they will helped for the media mileage that they will get.

if the president have his way, it should be settled quietly because it is damaging the relationship with US but it is out of his hand.

So to avoid the damage , it should be done SCANDALOUSLY ? That is the whole point of the SUBIC RAPE CASE .

no, no. that's not what i meant. if she had her way. but she could not. she has no power over the courts. but she have power to put smith where she think could, at least, reduced the kink in the relationship.

see where's smith is staying now? what 'did' smith on this case? in my opinion, when she drop the girl on the pier.

SMITH is under the custody of the US government subjected to Philippine Law . VFA agreement being enfoced at its fullest .

[cerebus]

@cerebus - mura'g daghan man ka nahibaw-an about ni nicole, kahibawo ka tagaasa siya?

she's from zamboanga. don't know if from norte or sur. what i know she lives with her family within (or close?) an army base. she's a college graduate and manage (own?) a carenderia.