MERGED: CPP-NPA-NDF Discussions (Issues, Updates, etc.)

[INFRACTION]

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the frontliners of the NPA may be destroyed but the question is ... the people(mastermind) behind them, funding them is NOT... its still a long way to go....

[pandisal]

hoist... na hurot na napit among yuta sa agrian... unsa paman ganahan ninyo diay? pati among balay i hatag sa mga saop nga kadaghanan raba, mga tapolan? hik hik hik....

hutdon man nato ug patay ang tanang mga NPA hasta iyang ang mga dumadapig, mutumaw gihapon ang bag-ong mga rebolusyonaryo nga sama nila. kay ang katilingban mauy nag kondisyon nila nga nga mubatuk sa sa kasamtangan goberno tungod sa sobrang pag paglupig...sa ato pa dili unta gira ang tubag sa goberno, kon dili tubagon ang ilang mga demanda. sama sa tinood nga reporma sa yuta.... ngano dili man na matubag?

[ed168]

ayos ra nko bro kung all out war pero kung naay mosurrender,hatag armas, dawaton ug tagaan ug chance...tagaan ug livelihood...

[soulkeeper1357]

NPA are Filipino people. Disgruntled Filipino people, they are those forgotten by the society, forgotten by the government. They should be helped not killed.

[lechugas]

all out war against the NPA... why? and after every single one of them is killed, put behind bars, or "rehabilitated", what then? will the problems and issues of our society vanish? will eradicating the NPA also erase the reason why it came into being in the first place? i think perhaps that before we contemplate ways to "solve" a "problem" (in this case calling for an all out war against our own people), we should first examine why such a problem occured in the first place. let us try to get past the "what" and try to delve on the "why"... i know this statement is cliche but i can't think of a better way of putting it... instead of wasting time and the lives and futures of many people, why don't we expend our time in addressing the real and root issues and concerns of our society... if we could reasonably address those issues and give out justice then i see no reason why our countrymen would take up arms and join in this protracted warfare... if there are those among us who wish all this to end, i believe that the members of the NPA themselves, wish it the most... they want to return to their families and lead "normal" lives... but they can't do that until we have righted the ills of our society... this is not a mere matter of withheld land or unsatisfied hunger, this is already a matter of principle and ideology and fighting for a chance at a better life... instead of calling for an all out war against members of our society who have already suffered much indignity and hardship, let us call an all out war against poverty, marginalization, graft and corruption, miseducation and ignorance...

[lechugas]

hoist... na hurot na napit among yuta sa agrian... unsa paman ganahan ninyo diay? pati among balay i hatag sa mga saop nga kadaghanan raba, mga tapolan? hik hik hik....

maayo diay na naredistribute nana inyong yuta... after all, don't you think it's about time na someone else benefits from all the EXTRA land that your family must have used and exploited for generations... kung na sad mo extra na balay? why not? kung pwede pa lang ihatag na lang pud na sa kadtong walay la-in puy-an kundi barong2 na dali ra kay mapalid sa bagyo ug gamay ra jud na protection against the elements... tapolan? ngano ka-ingon man ka tapolan? nkasuway na day ka na mag-uma sa ilalom sa init sa adlaw na maka-ingon man ka na tapolan cla? huna2a sa unsa imong na agi-an na trabaho, ug unsa ang ila... kompara-a ang diperensya ayha sila tawga na tapolan kay wala kay katungod mtawag nilag tapolan kung ikaw mismo wala kasuway sa kalisod sa ilang ka-agi... di sad ko gusto na i-sita tika kay most probably pareha ra ta, pero i am not conceited and presumptous enough to label those people lazy when i myself do not know what it is to really WORK. what it is trully to labor...

[ed168]

NPA are Filipino people. Disgruntled Filipino people, they are those forgotten by the society, forgotten by the government. They should be helped not killed.

sakto ka bro, especially ka2ng na kalimtan or malteated, g.ilogan ug yuta pro pro naa say uban na astig2x ba na magharass sa mga farmers, kana sya ang dili maayo...

[wanderlust]

all out war against the NPA... why? and after every single one of them is killed, put behind bars, or "rehabilitated", what then? will the problems and issues of our society vanish? will eradicating the NPA also erase the reason why it came into being in the first place?

Will the problems and issues of our society vanish if we do not prevent the NPA from sabotaging progressive efforts of the government?

The "all-out war" is not meant to be a magic pill that will immediately cure the ills of society. It should be viewed for what it is - as simply complementary to programs and projects of the government for development.

i think perhaps that before we contemplate ways to "solve" a "problem" (in this case calling for an all out war against our own people), we should first examine why such a problem occured in the first place. let us try to get past the "what" and try to delve on the "why"... i know this statement is cliche but i can't think of a better way of putting it... instead of wasting time and the lives and futures of many people, why don't we expend our time in addressing the real and root issues and concerns of our society... if we could reasonably address those issues and give out justice then i see no reason why our countrymen would take up arms and join in this protracted warfare...

That may be true for some members of the CPP-NPA who may have had been misled into joining it. But that is not true for the CPP-NPA itself, being the armed wing of an organization which is established with the aim of toppling what they call a 'reactionary' government and establishing a communist government.

if there are those among us who wish all this to end, i believe that the members of the NPA themselves, wish it the most... they want to return to their families and lead "normal" lives... but they can't do that until we have righted the ills of our society... this is not a mere matter of withheld land or unsatisfied hunger, this is already a matter of principle and ideology and fighting for a chance at a better life... instead of calling for an all out war against members of our society who have already suffered much indignity and hardship, let us call an all out war against poverty, marginalization, graft and corruption, miseducation and ignorance...

The ills of society are no excuse for committing the crime of insurrection, and we should not allow this to be so. As citizens of a democratic society, we have it in our power to effect changes in our society, within the democratic structure. This is not the way of the NPA.

[junmar4]

The ills of society are no excuse for committing the crime of insurrection, and we should not allow this to be so. As citizens of a democratic society, we have it in our power to effect changes in our society, within the democratic structure. This is not the way of the NPA.

We have the power? when the congress, so called representatives, didn't even consult their constituents when they want to change the constitution? They only listen to the party. Bisan pa wala ang CPP-NPA or ang CPP itself, unself dili fair ang treament sa tawo sa ato nasud, naa jud gihapon mga tawo nga mobarug, ug kun mahimo mopunit ug armas, para mosukol batok sa gobyerno nga manlupigon!

[lechugas]

Will the problems and issues of our society vanish if we do not prevent the NPA from sabotaging progressive efforts of the government?

The "all-out war" is not meant to be a magic pill that will immediately cure the ills of society. It should be viewed for what it is - as simply complementary to programs and projects of the government for development.

progressive efforts? what progressive efforts? if our government is truly making progressive efforts then why do i not see any progressive effects on our society? you can't mean to tell me that the NPA managed to foil them all...

i do not see anything complementary to development about war.

That may be true for some members of the CPP-NPA who may have had been misled into joining it. But that is not true for the CPP-NPA itself, being the armed wing of an organization which is established with the aim of toppling what they call a 'reactionary' government and establishing a communist government.

the aim of the CPP-NPA is to actively protect and fight for the rights of the Filipino people... and if in the course of fulfilling its duty, it must topple 'reactionary' governments and establish a communist one to better serve the interest of the masses, then so be it.

The ills of society are no excuse for committing the crime of insurrection, and we should not allow this to be so. As citizens of a democratic society, we have it in our power to effect changes in our society, within the democratic structure. This is not the way of the NPA.

are they really insurgents? it is likely that they are really revolutionary compatriots serving their people and their country, suffering the injustice of being labelled insurgents by those who wish to spread black propaganda against them and their cause.

democratic structure? democracy is such a relative and dynamic term, that to define it within the confines of one finite structure is foolishness... the government might think that democracy is not the NPA way, but the NPA believes that theirs is the true democracy.
this point is a sore matter of perspective...