Imagine, no religion, no God

[Ger]

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u can find it on urself..

now who told you respect, you? somebody has to lead you the way... bisag ang animals mo emulate sa ilang mama...

[grovestreet]

religion is not to be outgrown. a Rational society is dependent upon religion to maintain its rationality.

kindly look around sir, we don't have a rational society.

[The_Child]

kindly look around sir, we don't have a rational society.

this thread therefore is a manifestation of that lack of reason in society? the very argument of the lack of rationality includes itself as being irrational.

i have switched them off sir, by way of logic and reason.

when you switch off the possibility of religion through the use of reason and logic, it is in itself irrational. why? One must exhaust reason and its possibility, before one could dismiss religion, and precisely because what religion points out is always speculative to reason, then it is impossible to exhaust with certainty reason and logic in regards to religion. To dismiss religion just like that, is also a dismissal of the possibility of reason. it is therefore irrational.

we don't need religion to be rational, if that's what you were trying to say. in fact, religion itself is based upon irrationality. harsh but true, imo.

harsh but true? here is an assumption.
religion is not based on irrationality, but the other way around, the very cause on why there is religion is because Man in his use of reason ushers himself to the point where religion and faith is needed.
religion and faith therefore exists because of man's own faculty of reason. Ever asked why animals dont have religion? is precisely because they are not rational.


so before you make hasty conclusion trying to cement it as "harsh but TRUE" its best first to look deeper. Use reason to argue for reason, lets not put to waste the very human quality of being rational, lest we want to be labeled as mere brutes.

[chad_tukes]

when you switch off the possibility of religion through the use of reason and logic, it is in itself irrational. why? One must exhaust reason and its possibility, before one could dismiss religion, and precisely because what religion points out is always speculative to reason, then it is impossible to exhaust with certainty reason and logic in regards to religion. To dismiss religion just like that, is also a dismissal of the possibility of reason. it is therefore irrational.

maybe one should know the roots of religion and how it came about. where did religion come from? who made religion? were the people who made religion rational themselves? or they made religion because they THOUGHT it was rational? there is a big difference. just because one must exhaust reason and its possibility doesn't make religion itself rational. religion is just a man-made concept but it doesn't account for rationality.

harsh but true? here is an assumption.
religion is not based on irrationality, but the other way around, the very cause on why there is religion is because Man in his use of reason ushers himself to the point where religion and faith is needed.
religion and faith therefore exists because of man's own faculty of reason. Ever asked why animals dont have religion? is precisely because they are not rational.


so before you make hasty conclusion trying to cement it as "harsh but TRUE" its best first to look deeper. Use reason to argue for reason, lets not put to waste the very human quality of being rational, lest we want to be labeled as mere brutes.

you have to go out of your own bubble and view religion in a bird's eye view. religion is a waste of time; it is a manifest of man's need for belongingness, but again, that doesn't mean it's rational. religion can endanger the life of others. thousands of people have been persecuted because of religion. resources are WASTED because of RELIGION. how many churches/cathedrals have been built and later only dwelt with for recognizable useful purposes? now tell me if that's rational.

[vipvip68]

For me, religion is there to achieve social order in a given society.

Some people need to believe in God the same way some people need to be told what to do.

If you do good things not because of God but inspite of Him.. then you no longer need religion.

It takes faith to believe in God. In the same way, it also takes faith not to believe in Him.

[kebotDiNaMute]

the world will be a whole lot better place to live in if we didn't have RELIGION and GOD.

hala ad2 mo somalia walay ginoo nga isog dd2...

[kebotDiNaMute]

maybe one should know the roots of religion and how it came about. where did religion come from? who made religion? were the people who made religion rational themselves? or they made religion because they THOUGHT it was rational? there is a big difference. just because one must exhaust reason and its possibility doesn't make religion itself rational. religion is just a man-made concept but it doesn't account for rationality.



you have to go out of your own bubble and view religion in a bird's eye view. religion is a waste of time; it is a manifest of man's need for belongingness, but again, that doesn't mean it's rational. religion can endanger the life of others. thousands of people have been persecuted because of religion. resources are WASTED because of RELIGION. how many churches/cathedrals have been built and later only dwelt with for recognizable useful purposes? now tell me if that's rational.

religion can endanger the life of others
--- abortion... endangers the child from you...

[AmorsoloX]

no religion? no god? no afterlife? k fine... atleast im living life to the fullest.. got nothing else to ask
for..

thinking bout the afterlife is foolish... enjoy what you have today.. tommorrow has its own problems.. one thing at a time.. your still living a life now, dont waste it by starting to live the next one.. let time take its process.. it will come someday..

religion was invented to address our fear of death. only religion promises to solve what lies beyond the greatest mystery of life, what lies beyond that inevitable void.. lets face it.. if God whatever his name is, didnt promise an afterlife, nobody would worship him.. people only worship a divine being in hopes of achieving the afterlife.. in other words, people worship him for their own selfishness and from their fear.

conquer fear and you have conquered Death.. fear nothing..

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bout morality.. mas maau ikaw motapak kay sa ikaw tapakan..

[AmorsoloX]

we don't need religion to be rational, if that's what you were trying to say. in fact, religion itself is based upon irrationality. harsh but true, imo.

had to agree with this..

religion is just created by men.. religion is used by its leaders to subjugate the people thru the fear of eternal punishment and damnation.. by no way any religion is the moral authority of men..

there are many times that the rational action is by church standards immoral..

examples:

torture, you torture somebody to get information that would give you an advantage over the enemy.. if you dont torture him for information, chances are your going to suffer more casualties..

genocide.. you kill everybody from the enemy side to take over his/her resources to ensure the survival of your civilization, and to make sure nobody from that side will take revenge on you..

cheating.. college, its better to cheat than to repeat..

violence, deterrence, you make your enemies know that your capable of doing bad things so that they will think twice before attacking you..

greed.. you hoard resources so that you and your family may have access to scarce resources at times of crisis..

any action with the intent of good or for the welfare of many is good even if it causes pain and suffering to a very few.. the end always justifies the means as long as it is efficient..

mas maau ikaw motapak kay sa ikaw matapakan

[Lifeforce]

Life is too short not to believe in God. There is a force beyond our material senses.