RELIGION

**dacs** · 08-24-2005, 11:13 AM

@n'gel: I don't know if I was the one you were referring to. Nevertheless, I tried to check if my last post address to you contained such a phrase as 'your funny'. At the last time I checked, I spelled it You're funny. So, it must not be me you were referring to. Pero mura man gihapon ug ako base sa mga nisunod nga mga pulong. So, tubag lang ko gamay.

Would you rather hear that I was insulted by your post? That is not me. I found your assertion funny because you are a site keeper. Yet, your facts - if we can call it that - are not supported by real data. Don't you think you obliged to at least find support for your assertion. You called some practice in the Church as dogma where it can never ever be one. How hard is it to keep things truthful? How hard is it to check if you have got it right? Yet, instead of excusing yourself from such a stumble, you went about trying to recapture lost grounds.

Madam, a person can be funny to someone even if that someone does not know the person. I need not know you for you to be funny to me. It is not reasonable to say 'Di ka moingon funny kay wala ka kaila naku'. You said : 'Kini man gung interpretatoin sa Bible ba lahi², then insultuhon ko nimo?' Where did I insult you regarding your interpretation of the Bible? Asa man sad sa Bibliya nag-ingon nga pwede ang managlahi ang interpretasyon?

You said : 'Everybody knows it's not compulsory, but ang mga taw dong murang robot ba nga wala na lang gyuy laing pamaagi sa paghatag sa Ginoo kay tungod wala gi preach sa simbahan'. Tan-awa ra gud nang imong gisulat. It is insulting to Catholics to be told nga 'wala gi preach sa simbahan' ang paghatag diretso sa mga pobre. Unsa man gyud nang imong kalagot sa simbahan nga buta naman tawon ka sa kamatuoran? Na, ingnon na pud ko nimo nga giinsulto tika. Dili ni insulto, ma'am. Nakakatawa lang gyud ko kay obvious tawon kaayo ang pagtabang sa mga Katoliko sa mga pobre nga dili moagi sa simbahan. Ever heard of Gawad Kalinga? It is not a church-based project. It is a project of the Couples for Christ.

You said : 'Selling all belongings for God? If you choose to serve and follow Christ'. Are you saying then that you choose not to serve and follow Christ. Even lay people in the Bible sell their belongings unya ihatag ang tanang halin ngadto sa simbahan. You can read all that in the book of the Acts of the Apostles. So, it is not necessarily just the priests who should be ask to do such things.

Shalom.

**dacs** · 08-24-2005, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Cardinal Bunal

What I meant by the implications of hyperdulia. - Suppose I was a follower of the RCC, naturally that would make me understand that this, along with dulia or even purgatory and indulgences are part of the "Gospel of Christ" which you say the heathen don't know through no fault of their own. (Rom. 2: 10 - 12 )

Regardless of dulia or Latria, if I profess that I am a Roman Catholic yet reject hyperdulia or Ad Iesum Per Marian because of Acts 4: 12 will this automatically disqualify me for chances of salvation?

Then you are not a Catholic. You cannot have God as your Father if you don't take the Church as your Mother. This is in the area of mystical theology so I rather not explain. Christ identifies Himself with the Church. If you reject the Church, you reject Christ.

If you are a Catholic, then you will understand what is meant by hyperdulia and latria - and the profound difference between the two. There are a lot of people who call themselves as Catholic yet never knowing the difference between hyperdulia and latria - yet knowing they are not worshipping Mary as God but as one who hold the greatest place of honor among humankind yet very much inferior to God. Catholics who knows this as the truth of Catholic teaching yet knowingly rejects it is in grave danger of losing their souls.

You, on the other hand, are not a Catholic. Your rejection may have come from acquired prejudice or from malicious literature. Yet, when the truth about Catholic teaching on Mary is presented to you and you have been convinced of its truthfulness, you are obliged to reject falsehood and accept the truth.

Originally Posted by Cardinal Bunal

In Greek the word anti means "instead of"..... but the most common translation is "against" if you catch my innuendos.

As for Adoration of the Host, I've read Steve Ray's sources even quoting much from 1 Cor. 11 but like I said the Eucharist going "full throttle" in 1215 because of the "rampant heresy" outside the RCC? It seems that none of those testimonies are ever reconcilable with Heb. 6: 6 or chapters 9 - 10 of the same letter Paul wrote to correct the Semites.

Von X! reiterated we must read the Bible to obey it not to quote it:

Hence, Truly truly I tell you my flesh is real flesh and my blood is real blood, whoever eats my flesh (understands and internalizes and applies my Word, a) and drinks my blood (gains the Holy Spirit through his faith) b) will inherit eternal life.

a) Ezek. 3: 1 - 3, Ps. 78: 2 "eat the scrolls" Rev. 10: 9 b) Zec. 12: 10 "spirit of supplication", Gal. 3: 14, 1 Jn. 2: 27, "not the eating of literal flesh and blood" Acts 15: 19, 31 or 1 Cor. 15: 50

My... innuendos of the true meaning of Jn 6: 67 - 69...

Private interpretation again? 'Truly truly I tell you my flesh is real flesh and my blood is real blood, whoever eats my flesh (understands and internalizes and applies my Word, a) and drinks my blood (gains the Holy Spirit through his faith) b) will inherit eternal life' - ever considered what was the word in Aramaic used here for 'eat'. It is far more gruesome. It actually means 'gnaw'. To the Jews, Christ was saying that one should gnaw on his flesh or do violence to his person. Not one of the Church Fathers ever interpreted that verse like you do.

Here's a list of quotes from the Church Fathers regarding this matter:

Real Presence
Transubstantiation

**MrBiddle** · 08-24-2005, 11:49 AM

Private interpretation again?

Confident intuitiveness and comprehension.

**tolstoi** · 08-24-2005, 11:49 AM

57 CENTS

A little girl stood near a small church from which she had been turned away because it was "too crowded."

"I can't go to Sunday School," she sobbed to the pastor as he walked by.

Seeing her shabby, unkempt appearance, the pastor guessed the reason and, taking her by the hand, took her inside and found a place for her in the Sunday school class. The child was so happy that they found room for her, and she went to bed that night thinking of the children who have no place to worship Jesus

Some two years later, this child lay dead in one of the poor tenement buildings. Her parents called for the kindhearted pastor who had befriended their daughter to handle the final arrangements.

As her poor little body was being moved, a worn and crumpled red purse was found which seemed to have been rummaged from some trash dump.

Inside was found 57 cents and a note, scribbled in childish handwriting, which read: "This is to help build the little church bigger so more children can go to Sunday School."

For two years she had saved for this offering of love.
When the pastor tearfully read that note, he knew instantly what he would do. Carrying this note and the cracked, red pocketbook to the pulpit, he told the story of her unselfish love and devotion

He challenged his deacons to get busy and raise enough money for the larger building. But the story does not end there...

A newspaper learned of the story and published It. It was read by a wealthy realtor who offered them a parcel of land worth many thousands. When told that the church could not pay so much, he offered to sell it to the little church for 57 cents.

Church members made large donations. Checks came from far and wide.

Within five years the little girl's gift had increased to $250,000.00--a huge sum for that time (near the turn of the century). Her unselfish love had paid large dividends.

When you are in the city of Philadelphia, look up Temple Baptist Church, with a seating capacity of 3,300. And be sure to visit Temple University, where thousands of students are educated.

Have a look, too, at the Good Samaritan Hospital and at a Sunday School building which houses hundreds of beautiful children, built so that no child in the area will ever need to be left outside during Sunday school time.

In one of the rooms of this building may be seen the picture of the sweet face of the little girl whose 57 cents, so sacrificially saved, made such remarkable history. Alongside of it is a portrait of her kind pastor, Dr.
Russell H. Conwell, author of the book, "Acres of Diamonds".

This is a true story, which goes to show WHAT GOD CAN DO WITH 57 CENTS.

**dacs** · 08-24-2005, 11:58 AM