How do you obtain Salvation?

[SioDenz]

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hala,murag gubot lagi aring dapita.

mao ra jud ni akong matampo, by simply having faith, I know I'll be saved.

FAITH is Not that simple, mao bitaw Blockbuster kaayu pirmi ang thread nga about sa Religion

[%75life4Him]

sus...nimo life...clone ka ni mandirigma sa?

parehas kaayo mog style

maoha gyud oh
https://www.istorya.net/forums/genera...l#post14201987

Ha? binata maning imong accusation. The bible says "judge not that ye be not judged" Matthew 7:1.

Pahuway sa ko dinhi sa istorya. Wa koy makat unan ninyo. Basa sa mu theological books ug most importly the bible ha. Bya!.

[Bears Grill]

FAITH is Not that simple...

Yes. Keeping faith takes some effort to silence our inner personal b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t detector called reason and logic, because some bronze age text tells you that doubt is the devil speaking. FAITH is belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. It's a tragedy when critical thinking is made subordinate to this.

[%75life4Him]

Christian nga manghagit ug BIBLE study kay SWETO kaayo is now throwing INSULTS...i don't know about you guys(other forumers) but i see contradictions...Lol

"contradictions" Ambot kun sakto ba ning term nga imo gigamit kung naa man gani kay point. pero patulan nako ni.

Asa manang contradictions? Susss nimo dong, naglibog naman gani ka giabantihan tak sa ato discussion, nakakita na noon ka run ug contradictions. Kana siguro imong utok mao nagcontradict kay nag nosebleed naka. Atong nag discuss ta wa jud kay gicite nga contradiction nako. Kada pangutana nimo gitubag nako. Pero uban sa ako pangutana nga mga importante jud unta, gipanglaktawan nimo unya tag-as ra ba jud ka kaayo ug post nga ga sigeg balik balik ug mao nang sge nalang ga again ug again ug again. Ila man diay ka again imo kinahanglan? Hehehehe. Mutambling ko run. Aw.

sure ka Christian ka bai? your responses don't seem Christ-like.
you claim to know details about Biblical accounts but you clearly missed the very essence of Jesus' message.

not being able to understand is WAY TOO DIFFERENT from not agreeing. Gets?
i understood what you were saying, i JUSTDON'T agree with them(referring to our previous convo..salvation,purgatory etc) ,.Period

Mu comment lang ko nimo aning dapita because you seem to be saying you are defeated on posting this. Again, I dont care what you think of me because I am not your brother in spirit to be your keeper. You insist to be knowing something baseless. You claim to novice in you understanding of islam and the bible.

You keep on accusing me of judging someone here but you don't even realize that you are already condemning me of my christianity. Again nasad, you cannot even explain a verse you quoted from the scriptures unya karun mu question paka sa ako christianity? Usa ka mu question nako sabta sa ang bible or at least to some extent para naa ka authority over me. Kay sa pagkakarun burag katamblingun ko sa imo mga strikes sa ako. remember, with what measure you measure to others will be measure unto you (Matt 7:2)

By the way the bible says this "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."" (John 7:24)

simple ra kaayo akong Gisulti diri nga thread. i said Allah and Father God(first person in the Trinity)are the same in reference to Abrahamic religions...
simple! and there you were, talking about Islamic views on Jesus...unya? nakasabot kaha ka? Please....
wa juy connection akong gi istorya ug imong comment.



proof of ignorance sa imung mata?

the term "highblood" of course is a DESEASE BUT aside from its medical Definition it has also been widely associated and generally accepted among the natives(pinoys)
as a Slang term for loosing the temper..i don't know why am i even explaining this to you...

ay kog ingna brad nga sukad sa imung pagkabata, wa ka kasugat ug mga tao nga muingun ayg ka highblood in the event nga sapoton ang tao
or even ikaw mismo mugamit ka ana... you even understood the term
kay when i first used it , niingun ko nga ayg ka highblood bai, unsay imung reply?
ingun ka nga isn't that a form of placing of judgement...MEANING? ? ?
you understood that the term "highblood" is a Filipino Slang for loosing temper....
ay sus nimu bai...ay na gud pa george2x diha...(that is another slang term by the way)
slang term for paligoy-ligoy padoding...or unsa pa na dihang mananapa! haha

or basin mu ingun ka nga walang ganyan sa States! pagka Lol nalang jud nimu...

basing from our previous conversations, and on this one...you seemed so sure
to be more knowledgeable about Christianity, Bible and Jesus...that's not a problelem really...
the problem is, why does your knowledge about Jesus and your relationship with Jesus
do not show in your replies? to whom much is given much is expected!
you claim to know more(basing from our replies), you tend to give lectures when what was required is just a simple discussion.
makes me wonder, do you really know that much?
this by the way is what Faith being justified by works is all about..
you say and claim one thing but your ACTIONS aren't confirming. tsk tsk tsk.




one doesn't have to be a GENIUS to join a discussion in a forum..
you often redicule me for not being able to grasp your wild ideas.(although imu ra pud nang opinion Lol ).so No i am not sweto...
you on the other hand tends to lecture everyone that comes your way...SWETO!

surrender? Don't you ever read replies? or you're just too overwhelmed thinking you know it all..
would you rather have a conversation where no point is going through the other party,not becuase one party failed to connect BUT simply because both parties have already taken
roots from separate and different POVs? WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A CONVERSATION IN THE FIRST PLACE?
for the NTH time! that is the reason why i did not pursue our conversation. and it was suppose to be in RESPECT with your POV.
pero imung tan.aw kay pamaayohayng LAKI? please...that was never the point in a CHRISTIAN CONVERSATION in the first place.
think whatever you want...




pasagad sa imung nawng? hahaha
kinsay may una ning hatag ug mga HAIT nga pulong? diba ikaw? ikaw maoy SENSITIVE.
muingun ra ba dayun ka nga ing-ana ra ka muistorya...ASA NAMAN ANG FRUITS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT NIMU nga Gentleness?(Gal 5:22-23)

sharo wala gihapun ka kasabut sa nature ani nga type of conversations?Do you understand what a forum is?

THIS IS A FORUM...everyone can comment, butt in etc as long as respect for POV is there...ikaw imu nang gipakita ngari?
cge man gani kag panghilabut sa mga lain ug relihiyon...(kana maoy BINASTOS)
THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE CONVERSATION mao way problema ug naay mu butt in.. kasabut naka Brader?

Pagka toytoy gud ana imo rason dong, abe kay forum di na jud diay maka discuss ug tarun kay pwedi butt in nan?

Seriously bai, since you claim your a Christian who knows more basing on your comments as again you TEND to lecture everyone who comes your way when this is just really a discussion or a simple conversation...
the way you handle contradictions, opposite ideas...were you able to carry yourself with the likeness of Jesus?
or even the Saints before us? yeah just as i thought.

ay pagminaldito bai, kay Christian man kaha ka...kasuko pero ayg panginsulto, share pero ay pagsinweto kay di ra ikaw maoy capable of having thoughts and ideas...ug kung mu share ka don't do it in a manner tawn oi nga murag ikaw ra sakto...again, unsa ka GINOO? usapa na!

You are so lame noy.

My ideas is not wild. I read books of scholars dude to help understand me scriptures. Im not like you who cannot say anything kun di muingun nalang nga ako ra nang kaugalingung POV.

Stop judging my christianity or you might be judged in return.

This will be my last response to on this. Anyway, humana nako nimo after ka ni surrender. Katong si labelezza maoy ako ka discuss dili ikaw. Gets ka?

[SioDenz]

Yes. Keeping faith takes some effort to silence our inner personal b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t detector called reason and logic, because some bronze age text tells you that doubt is the devil speaking. FAITH is belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. It's a tragedy when critical thinking is made subordinate to this.

Critical Thinking cannot claim Absolution - How can it be a Tragedy?

[Bears Grill]

Critical Thinking cannot claim Absolution - How can it be a Tragedy?

Neither does faith, if by "Absolution" you mean forgiveness of a misdeed (or the taking away of guilt).

When you do something wrong to somebody, the best way to be forgiven is for the offending party to right that wrong and to make up what was lost. To be forgiven by appealing to a supernatural agent seems to me a debasement of the idea of moral accountability.

"There is nothing divine about morality; it is a purely human affair."----Albert Einstein, 1954

[%75life4Him]

OT: morag lahi ra sad na sila @slabs. nawala na man to's @mandirigma, nagbuhat na tingali to ug laing handle diri. pero popareho lang tingali sila kung sapoton nah
tan-awa sila duha diri o ga-abot sad :https://www.istorya.net/forums/arts-a...l#post14123298

@slabs

Tanawa ra ka. Very judgemental kaayo ka bai. Unta naulaw ka sa imo gipanorya. Ikaw diay ning judgemental natong duha. Ingun ka clone ko ni mandirigma karun imong batos lang sad ang na justify nako.

[SioDenz]

Neither does faith, if by "Absolution" you mean forgiveness of a misdeed (or the taking away of guilt).

When you do something wrong to somebody, the best way to be forgiven is for the offending party to right that wrong and to make up what was lost. To be forgiven by appealing to a supernatural agent seems to me a debasement of the idea of moral accountability.

"There is nothing divine about morality; it is a purely human affair."----Albert Einstein, 1954

If Morality is purely Human Affair - then is morality Absolute?

[noy]

Asa manang contradictions?
Susss nimo dong, naglibog naman gani ka giabantihan tak sa ato discussion, nakakita na noon ka run ug contradictions. Kana siguro imong utok mao nagcontradict kay nag nosebleed naka. Atong nag discuss ta wa jud kay gicite nga contradiction nako. Kada pangutana nimo gitubag nako. Pero uban sa ako pangutana nga mga importante jud unta, gipanglaktawan nimo unya tag-as ra ba jud ka kaayo ug post nga ga sigeg balik balik ug mao nang sge nalang ga again ug again ug again. Ila man diay ka again imo kinahanglan? Hehehehe. Mutambling ko run. Aw.

Mu comment lang ko nimo aning dapita because you seem to be saying you are defeated on posting this. Again, I dont care what you think of me because I am not your brother in spirit to be your keeper. You insist to be knowing something baseless. You claim to novice in you understanding of islam and the bible.

You keep on accusing me of judging someone here but you don't even realize that you are already condemning me of my christianity. Again nasad, you cannot even explain a verse you quoted from the scriptures unya karun mu question paka sa ako christianity? Usa ka mu question nako sabta sa ang bible or at least to some extent para naa ka authority over me. Kay sa pagkakarun burag katamblingun ko sa imo mga strikes sa ako. remember, with what measure you measure to others will be measure unto you (Matt 7:2)

By the way the bible says this "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."" (John 7:24)


Pagka toytoy gud ana imo rason dong, abe kay forum di na jud diay maka discuss ug tarun kay pwedi butt in nan?

You are so lame noy.

My ideas is not wild. I read books of scholars dude to help understand me scriptures. Im not like you who cannot say anything kun di muingun nalang nga ako ra nang kaugalingung POV.

Stop judging my christianity or you might be judged in return.

This will be my last response to on this. Anyway, humana nako nimo after ka ni surrender. Katong si labelezza maoy ako ka discuss dili ikaw. Gets ka?

hangyo lang bai, at least for this once, READ through my post..para makasabut ka sa akong punto..

look and read closely HOW you reply to objections and HOW you react to criticisms of your Faith. is that really Christ-like Mr.Christian boy?

Can you honestly say with a clear conscience that how you carry yourself is HOW JESUS would have wanted you to?

i am NOT judging your Christianity, it's between you and the Lord
no i am NOT condemning your faith as NO ONE has the right to do so
(you on the other hand are trying to push Islam with the idea that it is a religion not of God(divine goodness) by trying to discredit their beloved Prophet muhammad and thier views).

what i am doing is just merely showing you what you portray in this forum. read your replies,posts and comments then you'll know what i'm talking about.

i am criticizing your Claim as a Christian NOT JUDGING it. know the difference please.

speaking of Matt 7:2
"For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

Jesus words were TRUE, it happened exactly right here in this forum
the same measurement has been given to you.
you throw insults yet you hate being insulted
you discredit other beliefs yet you hate it when others try to discredit yours
you criticize others yet you hate criticisms
so why do these things? as a result, you reaped what you sowed.
your judgement on others are echoing fast back to you.

does Christ really surface in your words and acts in this forum ESPECIALLY when you are Challenged, Criticized, and Insulted?
(this is a Yes/No question).
in this forum brader, How were you able to carry out Jesus' commandment about Loving your neighbor as you love yourself..

if you only consider those who share the same Faith with you as your neighbor (A.K.A - your brother in spirit) then why did Jesus say this?

"If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?" (Matthew 5:46-47)

moreover the following verse begins with
"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:43-44)

Do you think you were able to BRING PEACE with the way you carry your ACT in this thread? the way you share? the way you react when
you are pursued.challenged?

"Blessed are the peacemakers,for they will be called children of God."
(Matthew 5:9)

that my Friend is what i meant when i said CONTRADICTION.
a contradiction for a person who claims to know more about Christianity,about the Truth, about what faith is of the Lord
as an enlightened individual and to have had a personal relationship with Jesus.
(notice the way you respond, it is more of a lecture rather than a sharing )
i'm sorry but your actions do not match with your claims brother.

you throw insults when you think people FAILED to connect with you
when in reality, they were just persistent about their POV which is basically the same thing that you are doing.
Where's the LOVE in that? is that how Jesus would have done it?or even His apostles after the pentecost?

didn't it ever occur to you that perhaps your explaination was not clear enough?
OR it was actually you who didn't understand...?it's possible right?

perhaps an example?

i said God the Father(the first person of the Trinity) is the same with Allah in reference with ABRAHAMIC religions
which means - ABBA, YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, ALLAH and the one we call FATHER are the same...(without the concept of TRINITY lang usa 'cause muslims do not accept the trinitarian doctrine,in fact only Christianity accepts the concept of that God is TRINITY..)

you don't have problems calling God Abba,Jehovah, Yahweh, God of Abraham, God of Isaac or God of Jacob..
but you have problems with Allah of Muslims(Still an Abrahamic Religion though) i sense there is a personal touch with your disagreement.

then you came along as if you really nailed the point. stating that
Muslims do not believe Jesus was crucified, resurrected..etc
of course That's true! but UNFORTUNATELY you failed to get the point of my statement.. gibalik2x pa jud nimu! mas naklaro nuon nga wa ka ka G..that's why my first reply when you posted a link that discredits muhammad, the quran muslim views etc...WAS i am NOT talking about muslim's religious views,practices or even about how they see Jesus...but just Allah having the same attributes with the Father.

now do you honestly think nga naka connect ka ato?

feel FREE to CHECK,BACKREAD and to even COPY and PASTE the flow of our conversation
para makita ug naka GETS ba jud ka sa akong point nga gi raise.
ug para makita pud who first LOST the temper. who started throwing INSULTS and Harsh statements. which triggered my criticism to your Christianity.

another example perhaps?

you KEEP repeating and STRESSING out that i surrendered from our last discussion..if that's how you see it...then no problem.. but for the heck of clearing things out...

you actually kept overlooking in a negative fashion the REASON why i STOPPED and chose to not pursue our discussion. SAKTO ba na?

i stopped because i have personally concluded that the conversation was going nowhere(not in a negative way), WHY?
you and i have rooted our Point of Views, beliefs on a firm foundation
though the ideas WERE NOT THE SAME but the LEVEL of our certainty with regard to our respective point of views ARE THE SAME.

sa binisaya pa, prehas tang sigurado sa atong tagsa-tagsa nga mga gituhoan..
GIVEN THE SITUATION, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSE TO CONTINUE WITH OUR DISCUSSION without stepping out from the circle of Respect? would you rather DISRESPECT a person's belief just to have your point pushed through? is that Christ-like as well? another contradiction my friend.

Hence i said, the most CHRISTIAN thing to do was to AGREE to DISAGREE and not pursue the discussion
to HONOR RESPECT over STRESSING a point.. which for me was far more important than WINNING over a DISCUSSION.

BUT AGAIN! you failed to CONNECT with the idea of not pursuing you!
because imo ginabalik-balik ug gipangusgan nga ning surrender ko sa atong kutay because i had no further arguments..well like i said earlier
think what you want.

pahabol though, haha

speaking of, "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."" (John 7:24)
again i was not judging your Christianity, i was criticizing it

in an ABSOLUTE(obviously not personally) manner in terms of percentage

how many percent do you think you have JUDGED me correctly?
--you said things about me, about not being qualified to argue with you...blah blah blah..

how many percent do you think you have JUDGED Islamic views correctly?
--you said that Allah and Father God were not the same by Continuously
disagreeing with my statement that they are(unless you just didn't get the point).
you said things about their religion, about their views, practices ..etc

how many percent are you sure that the way you know to be saved is indeed the ONLY WAY(absolute manner ha)?
--i know we Christians believe Jesus is the way, truth and the life and that Salvation comes through Jesus alone
But that does not give us the LICENSE to conclude that other religion's view on Salvation is WRONG.
Because Jesus being the way does not necessarily mean Jesus is restricted to Christian perspective alone..

Jesus is Mercy Himself...so When others who never Get the chance to know Jesus die
wouldn't they get the all merciful God's Mercy? if they would, then they would have received Jesus on that day
only not in a way that has been revealed to us...

that's why in Catholicism, we call Salvation a Mystery for only God can know its absolutes.

[noy]

@Life, i didn't say that because this is a forum a personalized discussion is not allowed..
But BECAUSE THIS IS A FORUM, you have no control over Butt ins and comments from other forumers.
i hope you see the point this time. and no it's not "pagkatoytoy" it is the Nature of these type of Discussions.