There is no such thing as HEAVEN.

[rcruman]

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Kung Ako ang Ginoo.
Unya Nagbuhat kog Heaven, dili na ko magbuhat og Earth.
Sakit sakit lang ko sa Ulo.
Heaven na dretso akong buhaton, puro buotan nga tawo akong buhaton.

Mao bitaw ang nahitabo kang SATANAS/LUCIFER.
Naa ra siya sa heaven nya nilikoy gihapon.
So earth is one way to test Human to become worthy of Eternal LIfe.
Wala gyud magsakit ang ulo sa Ginoo, He's God anyway.
The problem with you is that you're comparing yourselves or what capable do you have to God.
God in the bible is:
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:8-9.

Kung ikaw magbuhat ug butang, pinakamaayo ang imong buhaton,
dili ka maghimog bati o dautan(reject) kay imo man kanang hinimo.
ikaw ra may maulawan sa imong hinimo.

Kinsa may reject?
Og unsay sayop sa Gibuhat sa Ginoo?
Naulaw diay ang Ginoo kay iya gibuhat ang tawo?
PInakamaayo bitaw ang Gibuhat sa Ginoo.
Beh sa Nature lang daan unsay bati?
Sa tawo unsay bati?
Siguro nabati sa imo pagtan-aw kay wala nimo tan-awa kung unsay rason nganong nibati.
Sama sa nature, we abused it.
In ourselves, we abused it (drugs, alcohol, gambling, *** and etc).

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

Quote from: Sinyalan on October 04, 2007, 16:54:45
Ngano, nagtuo diay ka nga isa ra ang universe? Unya, tubaga akong pangutana, asa lagi ng imong ingon nga universe nga tua ang langit?

Ngano bro daghan diay ang Universe? beh tigai kuno kog lain.
Naa diay ko giingon nga naa sa universe ang 3rd heaven? pagklaro bro basig naa nakay memory gap, ipost kuno beh kung naa ko statement nga ingon ana. Ako tubag nimo kay beyond universe kay ang 3rd Heavens.
Og universe kay dili makit-an ang kinutuban kung tawo ang pasukdon.
Mao bitaw muingon nalang ang tawo nga "the universe is an ever expanding universe".

Rcruman, never heard of Multiverse? Research kuno.

Asa lagi na imong ingon nga 1st, 2nd and 3rd heavens? But you cannot pin point the exact location, the implication of your statements provides an exact claim that the 3rd heaven is in the universe. Reading this statement says otherwise... "Bro again, paradise is located in 3rd heaven and 3rd Heaven is beyond the universe. and Heaven is located above." What is above us is what? Not heavens, nor god... guess it properly dhong. I don't have memory gap rcruman... if have, I would be like you, so to speak. Besides, I'd rather have memory gap than a hard-nosed person that doesn't know how to "read". :mrgreen:

Quote from: Sinyalan on October 04, 2007, 16:54:45
Have you seen it? O basin lang basa nimo sa bible unya conclude ka dayun nga naa bisan wa ka kita.

Nganong makita man bro nga dili paman katapusan or dili judgment day.
Wala ko niconclude kungdi FAITH bro, substances of things we hoped.
Dili gyud ka tuo langit kay dili man gani ka tuo GINOO, its a domino effect.
Denying the creator it follows that all of His creations was just nothing to you.

You still keep on waiting for judgment day? How many times your book have been predicting that? It all came short! You didn't conclude because of faith. faith like that does not rest on logical proof or theological evidence? that kind of faith? Rather substances of things we hope... keep on hoping, brother. Heaven doesn't rest on your perpetual belief rcruman but ignorance. you keep on saying "langit" but you can't even provide the existence and proof of existence to this kind of heaven is like a fairy tale its something that older people tell you so you can be good and do no evil.

Quote from: Sinyalan on October 04, 2007, 16:54:45
Mao ni, most of your points are ripped from the bible which is baseless and nothing more like a hearsay.

Mao niy nakaparat sa imoha, kung tigaan tikag proof nako dayon balik nga ang bible is baseless and nothing more like a hearsay.
I will still use the bible (to its baseless and nothing).

Proof? Where is/are those proof that you mentioned except reading and posting verses from the bible. Those are nothing but hearsay. Mao sab ni nakaparat nimo - all you think that the bible is all-knowing and all-true, read more books rcruman... you might discover something that you haven't discovered before. You're still believing those dead people in the bible. You can learn from the past but you shouldn't stay from the past... move on brother!

[rcruman]

Mao ni imo gikuptan, multiverse?
A multiverse (or meta-universe) is the hypothetical set of multiple possible universes (including our universe) that together comprise all of physical reality. The different universes within a multiverse are sometimes called parallel universes. The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe within it and the relationship between the various constituent universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis considered.
Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, philosophy, theology, and fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. The specific term "multiverse," which was coined by William James,[citation needed] was popularized by science fiction author Michael Moorcock. In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternate universes," "quantum universes," "parallel worlds," "alternate realities," "alternate timelines," etc.
The possibility of many universes raises various scientific, philosophical, and theological questions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
you really rely on hypothetical and possibility, I thought factual ka.

Rcruman, never heard of Multiverse? Research kuno.
Asa lagi na imong ingon nga 1st, 2nd and 3rd heavens? But you cannot pin point the exact location, the implication of your statements provides an exact claim that the 3rd heaven is in the universe. Reading this statement says otherwise... "Bro again, paradise is located in 3rd heaven and 3rd Heaven is beyond the universe. and Heaven is located above." What is above us is what? Not heavens, nor god... guess it properly dhong. I don't have memory gap rcruman... if have, I would be like you, so to speak. Besides, I'd rather have memory gap than a hard-nosed person that doesn't know how to "read". :mrgreen:

Diba ako na gipost ang tubag nga gikan sa bible ang Genesis (aw dili man diay ka tuo bible). How can I pin point that, I'm not God and it will be revealed on judgment day.
ANi ni siya bro, kung asa ra kutob ang bible kay adto ra pud ko or mi, dili mi mulapas.
Dili man gani nato matugkad or masugot ang kinutuban sa Universe (second heaven) and 3rd Heaven is beyond 2nd Heaven. 1st heaven is from lifting from ground until ozone Layer or until to the last layer.

You still keep on waiting for judgment day? How many times your book have been predicting that? It all came short!

Naa nay gipredict ang bible? or some people who just predited it (like nostradamus, WIlde Almeda, Jehova's Witnesses and etc)?
Ang prediction sa bible is intact and signs was not yet completely happened.
No CHristians will predict the judgment day because its only the Father who knows it not even the SON.

Proof? Where is/are those proof that you mentioned except reading and posting verses from the bible. Those are nothing but hearsay. Mao sab ni nakaparat nimo - all you think that the bible is all-knowing and all-true, read more books rcruman... you might discover something that you haven't discovered before. You're still believing those dead people in the bible. You can learn from the past but you shouldn't stay from the past... move on brother!

Bro murag lisod naka.
Heavens was discussed or mentioned in the bible pero kung magpost ko gikan sa bible dili ka dawat gusto nimo gikan sa science book.
Pangutan-on tika, heaven ba ang tawag ana sa SCIENCE? Science don't believed on Heavens. I've moved on brother, I've moved from believing BIG BANG THEORY and THEORY OF EVOLUTION.
What other books can give towards this life?
All is just self-righteous books not like the bible.

Pero grabe gyud ni imo sulti sa akoa, pero wonder ko ngano patol kag istorya kog dili ko kahibalo "READ". Hinumdumi boang ang mupatol sa boang, or mas grabeh pa ang pagkabuang. Kung dili ko kahibalo mubasa aw mas samot naka kay patol ka.

Besides, I'd rather have memory gap than a hard-nosed person that doesn't know how to "read". :mrgreen:

Ikaw maoy move on brother, set aside what happened to you and don't blame God.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

you really rely on hypothetical and possibility, I thought factual ka.

Just like the bible, correct?

Diba ako na gipost ang tubag nga gikan sa bible ang Genesis (aw dili man diay ka tuo bible). How can I pin point that, I'm not God and it will be revealed on judgment day.
ANi ni siya bro, kung asa ra kutob ang bible kay adto ra pud ko or mi, dili mi mulapas.
Dili man gani nato matugkad or masugot ang kinutuban sa Universe (second heaven) and 3rd Heaven is beyond 2nd Heaven. 1st heaven is from lifting from ground until ozone Layer or until to the last layer.

Not the answer that I am expecting... simang gihapon. Once and for all rcruman, answer this... asa lagi? Because you're too sure that you know it as if you have been there and came back.

Naa nay gipredict ang bible? or some people who just predited it (like nostradamus, WIlde Almeda, Jehova's Witnesses and etc)?
Ang prediction sa bible is intact and signs was not yet completely happened.
No CHristians will predict the judgment day because its only the Father who knows it not even the SON.

NOt completely happened? So, you were saying that it did happened but wasn't completed... ngano man? Usab ang huna-huna sa ginoo?

Bro murag lisod naka.
Heavens was discussed or mentioned in the bible pero kung magpost ko gikan sa bible dili ka dawat gusto nimo gikan sa science book.
Pangutan-on tika, heaven ba ang tawag ana sa SCIENCE? Science don't believed on Heavens. I've moved on brother, I've moved from believing BIG BANG THEORY and THEORY OF EVOLUTION.
What other books can give towards this life?
All is just self-righteous books not like the bible.

Pero grabe gyud ni imo sulti sa akoa, pero wonder ko ngano patol kag istorya kog dili ko kahibalo "READ". Hinumdumi boang ang mupatol sa boang, or mas grabeh pa ang pagkabuang. Kung dili ko kahibalo mubasa aw mas samot naka kay patol ka.

Hah, you've moved but you never did understand what you were moving from. What other books can give towards life? I think ignorance is defined here and do you think that the bible doesn't make you self-righteous? Bang! Tell me if you're not...

Although, brod you obviously don't get the point. You think that I intentionally attacking you? You read it the wrong way. Constructive criticism... do you know what that is?

Ikaw maoy move on brother, set aside what happened to you and don't blame God.

I did and I am happy the way I am now because I don't get binded with religious rules. bible dictates nothing but self-righteouness, hate, discrimination, corruption - the list goes on.

[rcruman]

you really rely on hypothetical and possibility, I thought factual ka.

Just like the bible, correct?

Yes just add faith and fear to God.
That's lacking with you.

you really rely on hypothetical and possibility, I thought factual ka.
Not the answer that I am expecting... simang gihapon. Once and for all rcruman, answer this... asa lagi? Because you're too sure that you know it as if you have been there and came back.

Don't expect to answer me with your expectation.
How could our answer met when you dont believed on the Bible and denied God.
All we have to do is just keep on posting.
Og kanus-a ko niingon ani "Because you're too sure that you know it as if you have been there and came back."?
I'm just basing it in the bible and with FAITH.
Wala pay nakaadto sa langit bro, FAITH keeps us to believed that there is.

you really rely on hypothetical and possibility, I thought factual ka.
NOt completely happened? So, you were saying that it did happened but wasn't completed... ngano man? Usab ang huna-huna sa ginoo?

Not like that bro, there are signs that has been mentioned by the bible.
And there's some did not happened yet, That's why I've said that its not Completely Happened.
and that's what we are waiting to know that He is coming to judge.

you really rely on hypothetical and possibility, I thought factual ka.
Hah, you've moved but you never did understand what you were moving from. What other books can give towards life? I think ignorance is defined here and do you think that the bible doesn't make you self-righteous? Bang! Tell me if you're not...

Although, brod you obviously don't get the point. You think that I intentionally attacking you? You read it the wrong way. Constructive criticism... do you know what that is?

never understand? so by implication that you've understand what I'm doing now that you think I didn't understand? Because when saying "you never did understand" it means you've the understanding that mine is wrong.

NO your not doing constructive criticism but denying everything and to yours is right based on your personal experience and achievement.

you really rely on hypothetical and possibility, I thought factual ka.
I did and I am happy the way I am now because I don't get binded with religious rules. bible dictates nothing but self-righteouness, hate, discrimination, corruption - the list goes on.

all of these "self-righteousness, hate, discrimination, corruption" was just in your mind due to hatred and denying God.

Peace!

[Sinyalan]

Yes just add faith and fear to God.
That's lacking with you.

Yes? meaning to say that you understood that your faith is nothing but hypothesis? hahahahaha... gotcha there brother!

Don't expect to answer me with your expectation.
How could our answer met when you dont believed on the Bible and denied God.
All we have to do is just keep on posting.
Og kanus-a ko niingon ani "Because you're too sure that you know it as if you have been there and came back."?
I'm just basing it in the bible and with FAITH.
Wala pay nakaadto sa langit bro, FAITH keeps us to believed that there is.

Hey, if you want people to believe that there is such thing as heaven, by all means prove it! If you can't answer that properly, you didn't say it's there but I get the point that you agreed. Bang!

Not like that bro, there are signs that has been mentioned by the bible.
And there's some did not happened yet, That's why I've said that its not Completely Happened.
and that's what we are waiting to know that He is coming to judge.

Mao lagi, some happened and some didn't... yet. Have you seen it? Or maybe you just manifisted that some calamities are works of god. If you keep on waiting... you will keep on waiting! Because it will never come.

never understand? so by implication that you've understand what I'm doing now that you think I didn't understand? Because when saying "you never did understand" it means you've the understanding that mine is wrong.

Klaroha kuno ning imong sentence... naglibog ko ug "understand".

NO your not doing constructive criticism but denying everything and to yours is right based on your personal experience and achievement.

Of course it was constructive criticism! But you read that as an insult. That's one clear example of "out of context". Me denying? you assumed too much brother! Did I say I am right based on my personal experience and achievement? Maybe I said about my experiences and achievement but did not say "I am right". Again, you assumed too much.

all of these "self-righteousness, hate, discrimination, corruption" was just in your mind due to hatred and denying God.

Was just in my mind? hmmmm... I think you misconstrued yourself here brother... try reading the bible... you probably missed something...

[rcruman]

Hey, if you want people to believe that there is such thing as heaven, by all means prove it! If you can't answer that properly, you didn't say it's there but I get the point that you agreed. Bang!

Hey also, its different to make people believe than people don't want to believe.

Yes? meaning to say that you understood that your faith is nothing but hypothesis? hahahahaha... gotcha there brother!

gotcha? you've understood it. reading the bible , faith and fear to God is needed.

Mao lagi, some happened and some didn't... yet. Have you seen it? Or maybe you just manifisted that some calamities are works of god. If you keep on waiting... you will keep on waiting! Because it will never come.

bro not "some didn't" but "some didn't happened yet" mao bitaw not completely pa.
Yes I've/We've seen the signs, here's the sign before the coming of Christ.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24
Ang wala pa mahitabo bro kay ang GREAT TRIBULATION, mao ni ako pasabot sa imoha nga not yet complete.
Og wala ko ni ingon nga didn't happened, imo ra na as a sign of mockery towards the words of God.

Klaroha kuno ning imong sentence... naglibog ko ug "understand".

Naglibog ka or nagpaliboglibog ra ka?

Of course it was constructive criticism! But you read that as an insult. That's one clear example of "out of context". Me denying? you assumed too much brother! Did I say I am right based on my personal experience and achievement? Maybe I said about my experiences and achievement but did not say "I am right". Again, you assumed too much.

Insult? I'm not insulted bro, you can add everything then I won't be insulted. I'm just expressing and exchanging statement with you. basin ikaw ang nainsulto? Kay kinsa ra gud ko nya imo gigahinan og panahon.
And I didn't assumed bro, I don't have my own words and interpretation but rather I've used only the bible. But the problem with you, you keep on ignoring the bible and even mock at it.

Was just in my mind? hmmmm... I think you misconstrued yourself here brother... try reading the bible... you probably missed something...

You're the one to try reading the bible with open mind so that you don't missed everything.

you really rely on hypothetical and possibility, I thought factual ka.
I did and I am happy the way I am now because I don't get binded with religious rules. bible dictates nothing but self-righteouness, hate, discrimination, corruption - the list goes on.

How come basta negative nga naa sa bible (despite wla kahibalo kung ngano negative) tuo ka nya in general dili ka tuo bible. Unsa ka bro basta tan-aw nimo negative mao ra imo kuhaon nya ang maayo wla na?

Peace!

[shimiyu]

OT:

ka sweet ninyo wui

[silent-kill]

sweto lagi kaau mo ani nga topic no? ehehhee bantog ra parihas ra gihapon nga mga "sala" atong gipangbuhat.

[Sinyalan]

hahahaha... I think rcruman likes me.