Originally Posted by
rcruman
even without satan a man can still commit sin?
Its because of Adam sins enter to this world and it came from satan.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:12.
1) After the Fall of man, man now posesses a sinful nature. Satan cannot force a man to sin, but he knows that there is this inward aberration in man [sin nature] brought about by the Fall that he can entice and seduce.
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his
own desires and enticed
The sinful desire was already there. Satan capitalizes on that. He [sinful man] is capable of having those desires because he possesses a sinful nature. But good thing Christ at the cross positionally crucified the flesh with its passions and DESIRES [in relation to Christians]:
Ga 5:24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and
desires.
2) that verse up there [Romans 5:12] is a good verse. Before Adam and Eve fell from innocence, sin was already present. Man's Fall did not create sin. It was through man's Fall that sin [already present in the hearts of Satan and his demons]
entered the world. Adam's disobedience to God's will was the open door in which sin
entered the world. Man's Fall did not create it. The sin [that was already there in the first place] simply found an open door to enter God's morally pure and pristine world.
Ro 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin
entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-
NOTE: in some portions of the Bible especially in Romans we must learn to distinguish between SIN [as a nature] and SIN [as an act of personal wrongdoing]. Here in Romans 5:12, sin here refers to sin as a nature. Every human being has a sinful nature. And by reason of this, physical death awaits every human being. That is why even babies who have not committed sin [as a personal wrongdoing] is susceptible to death.
Originally Posted by
rcruman
and satan sparked Adam to commit sin.
and Satan was/is/will be:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
JOhn 8:44.
Peace!
The expression "from the beginning" does not mean from all eternity. It means from the beginning of the world, he was a murderer. He murdered Adam and Eve by his deception and lies. But before that he was a creature created by God without sin.
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