r u sure ur save....?

[phruckthoy]

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no

[bcasabee]

safe answer.....better to say no para maninguha nga ma save rather than saying yes unya mo kompyansa na hinoon.......

no

[Ironside]

Contrition and Attrition: The difference



Many people forego repentance until their old age. They say: “I will repent when I am at the threshold of eternity.” And so when they are in their gray head days they ‘repent’.

But what is repentance? Repentance is actually a change of attitude towards sin, God, self and Christ.

The repentant says: “This is wrong against God. I have sinned against the moral Governor of the Universe. I am in this hopeless and helpless state of sinning. I don’t deserve heaven. I will turn to Christ.”


Repentance at its earlier stage starts out with attrition.

What is attrition? It is changing ones ways for fear of the punishment. But it does not stop here. For repentance to be true and genuine, it [attrition] must mature into contrition. Sadly, many just stop at attrition, never moving forward into contrition.

What is contrition? It is when the sinner realizes that sin is sin and that it grieves the heart of God. God who is sooo good and gracious and loving worthy of all my all. Why should we sin against Him? And so the contrite sinner turns away from sin because it is a sin against God nothing more, nothing less. Not because of the threat of hell or the promise of bliss in heaven. Even without hell the contrite sinner turns away from sin. Even without heaven the contrite sinner turns away from sin. He is focused on what this blessed and Holy person delights.

What would you do of a woman wanting only to marry you because you are rich? She only wants to escape poverty that’s why she wants to marry you. I’m sure you’d dispense of that woman right? You want someone to marry you because of you. It’s the same way with God. God is a person. God is not mocked. Who are you fooling? He is touched and moved when a sinner turns away from sin with the motive that he [the sinner] does not want to grieve Him. He stops his sinning because he wants to honor God for who He is. This is true repentance.

Contrition is the work of God in a sinner. The human heart cannot just be contrite by its own. It is desperately wicked and it cannot change. Only God’s grace can break a rebellious heart.

Repentance is not the payment for sins. WE must not rely on it for salvation. However, it is the condition to salvation. The payment for sins is in Mt. Calvary. You must go there for salvation. In order for you to reach there, you must leave sin. In order for you to accept the gift of salvation, you must lay down your arms. Surrender those weapons of rebellion. Your hands cannot receive the gift of salvation if it is full of rebellion.


When you came to Christ did you come to Him just because you want to escape hell or did you come to Him because of sin?


[Note: The heart is sooo deceitful. Sometimes because of fear of impending death a person displays seeming ‘repentance’ from sin. He really feels that he has ‘repented’, and ‘accepts’ Christ. Only to find out on the other side that he was never saved at all. Yes, deathbed repentance is possible so long as it is true repentance. But in order for you to be sure that you have really repented, why not repent now when you are healthy and strong. So when imminent death comes and you are lying in your bed you won’t be bothered by the thoughts: “Are you really repentant? Really? What if it’s only attrition? How will you know?” .........But if you have repented as early as now when you are healthy, then you will be assured that your repentance is true and is not only a product of attrition for you have repented from your sins even when the threat of death was remote].

[rcruman]

Thus the Gospel of Jesus Christ was faith alone or Faith and execution?

Because if believing alone or have faith is a way to convince people who are lazy to work or execute the Gospel. The writings of Paul are need to be executed.

PEace!

[Ironside]

The writings of Paul are written to those who are already saved. They are not meant to be disobeyed. They are imperatives. These commandments should mark the lives of truly saved people.

Saved people are saved to serve God and fellowmen. Before they are slaves to sin but now they are slaves of righteousness.

[rcruman]

The writings of Paul are written to those who are already saved. They are not meant to be disobeyed. They are imperatives. These commandments should mark the lives of truly saved people.
Really? so apostle Paul didn't preached anymore?
How to be saved if you didn't know any word of God?

Saved people are saved to serve God and fellowmen. Before they are slaves to sin but now they are slaves of righteousness.
Thus saved from sins saved already from damnation or lake of fire?
Whatever they do they are saved?

Peace!

[Ironside]

Really? so apostle Paul didn't preached anymore?
How to be saved if you didn't know any word of God?


yes. Paul's writings often starts with "To the church of........." somewhere in the introduction of his letters. Paul had in mind the saved people when he wrote those letters.

how to be saved? you preach Christ's salvation.

Then when they turn to HIm alone for salvation, you teach them what Paul wrote to Christians [saved people] in his writings etc.






Saved people are saved to serve God and fellowmen. Before they are slaves to sin but now they are slaves of righteousness.
Thus saved from sins saved already from damnation or lake of fire?
Whatever they do they are saved?

yes, Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.


Whatever they do they are saved?
Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?

righteousness and holiness

[rcruman]

yes. Paul's writings often starts with "To the church of........." somewhere in the introduction of his letters. Paul had in mind the saved people when he wrote those letters.
So, the members of churches of rome, corinth and etc didn't increased, because paul did not preached to not saved yet.
Is there no instance that these saved (according to you) people ex-communicated or been sent outside the church? Thus the writings of Paul doesn't need to be executed or just believed?
Can you give me a gospel that doesn't need to be executed or just believed?

Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST.
Even its against the gospel? Like having other wife, being drunk, drugs and illegal transaction?

righteousness and holiness
What are the things done before by currently Christians before they know Christ?
Are Christian being enlightened by Christ?

Peace!

[Ironside]

So, the members of churches of rome, corinth and etc didn't increased, because paul did not preached to not saved yet.

Paul preached the gospel to the lost, while he teached the moral implications of the gospel to the saved.


Is there no instance that these saved (according to you) people ex-communicated or been sent outside the church? Thus the writings of Paul doesn't need to be executed or just believed?
Can you give me a gospel that doesn't need to be executed or just believed?


Paul gave directions as what to do regarding ex communicated folks.

gospel executed? The gospel is to be believed.


There was an instance in Corinth where these guys failed to excommunicate a sinning member. Paul wrote them to put him away from the church. Eventually, they heeded Paul's directions.



Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST.
Even its against the gospel? Like having other wife, being drunk, drugs and illegal transaction?

righteousness and holiness
What are the things done before by currently Christians before they know Christ?
Are Christian being enlightened by Christ?


Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?

righteousness and holiness


All christians are enlightened, but not all enlightened are christians.

some of them reject that light

[rcruman]

Paul preached the gospel to the lost, while he teached the moral implications of the gospel to the saved.
Can you give me a verse that paul have preached the gospel to the lost and to the saved.

Yes, whatever they do IN CHRIST. What do saved people do IN CHRIST?
righteousness and holiness
Wow, you are really saved.
Even you do drugs, gambling,having other wife or partner, and illegal transactions you're still saved.
But Paul said:
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21.

Did you erase this verses in your bible or tear this off?

Peace!