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  1. #181

    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    the Bible, as we all know, is the best-selling book of all time. it is the central text of Christianity. despite its internal inconsistencies and sometimes immoral ideals, people in the modern times still regard the Bible as a very important book---and a source for untouched wisdom that is unparalleled.

    therefore, i have this question---what are your views on the Bible? how do you see the "words of GOD"? is it really HIS words? did he whisper to the ears of these authors to know what they should write or omit? or is the Bible simply composed of words from ordinary people from the who-knows-when century?

    what are your views on the Bible? - sacred reading material
    how do you see the "words of GOD"? - words of wisdom and reflection.
    is it really HIS words? - faith is all i believe in...and what I know..

    did he whisper to the ears of these authors to know what they should write or omit? or is the Bible simply composed of words from ordinary people from the who-knows-when century?
    - im not into it.. as long as i still believe on my faith. wa ko pakialam. kapoy analyze.. peace bro..

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by clickmenow View Post
    what are your views on the Bible? - sacred reading material
    how do you see the "words of GOD"? - words of wisdom and reflection.
    is it really HIS words? - faith is all i believe in...and what I know..

    did he whisper to the ears of these authors to know what they should write or omit? or is the Bible simply composed of words from ordinary people from the who-knows-when century?
    - im not into it.. as long as i still believe on my faith. wa ko pakialam. kapoy analyze.. peace bro..
    best-seller daw ang Bible, natural ma best-seller jud kay gibaligya gud. pero kung buot hunahunaon, dili man jud unta angay ibaligya ang Bible.

    labaw pud baya ang ilang mga libro best-seller pud...

    Skeptic News: Three Atheist Books on New York Times Best Seller List

    * The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins;
    * Letter to a Christian Nation, by Sam Harris;
    * God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist, by Victor J. Stenger.


    tsk tsk tsk!

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    The bible is the greatest story ever sold i mean sold diay just like Harry Potter and Lord of The Rings. The bible is also the greatest children's story book just like fairy tale! ka cute!

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    best-seller daw ang Bible, natural ma best-seller jud kay gibaligya gud. pero kung buot hunahunaon, dili man jud unta angay ibaligya ang Bible.

    labaw pud baya ang ilang mga libro best-seller pud...

    Skeptic News: Three Atheist Books on New York Times Best Seller List

    * The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins;
    * Letter to a Christian Nation, by Sam Harris;
    * God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist, by Victor J. Stenger.


    tsk tsk tsk!
    yup, those are the best-seller atheist books and i've read all three. so what's your problem?

    the Bible, however, is the master of all books kung best-sellers na ang storyaan. consistent number 1---way makalupig. lupig paman gani ang HARRY POTTER or NEW MOON.

  5. #185
    here is some truth about Bible.

    what is Holy Scripture or the Bible?

    it is the word of God written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and contained in the Books of the Old and the New Testaments.
    1). the seventy two sacred books, together forming the Bible, were composed by forty writers in three different languages: Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. the period of composition covers at least 1,300 years, from Moses, to St, John the Evangelist
    "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all in these days has spoken to us by His Son" (Heb. 1:1)
    2.) the writers were inspired by God. by a supernatural influence God enlightened their mind and moved their will to write all that He wised, and only that. they acted as free instruments of God, Who directed them and preserved them from error.
    the writer of Holy scripture were, however, not passive instruments. each writer brought his pesonality with him into what he wrote. the writers were like skilled painters who paint from the same model. the products are similar and all correct, but with differences according to talents.

    Is God the author of the Bible?-Yes, God is the author of the Bible.
    1.)an author is not the stenographer that writes down all what he is told, but the one who tells what is to be written. Since God is the Author, the Bible cannot contain any error.
    "all Scripture is inspired by God" (2 Tim. 3:16). Copyist and printers, however, can and d make mistakes in copying the Bible.
    2.)Since the Bible is the word of God, it must be treated with the great reverence.

    This is why we take solemn oaths on the Bible, stand up when the Gospel is read, and have incense and lights used when the Gospel is SUng at solemn High Mass.

    Can the Books of the Bible be Proved to be reliable historical records?-Yes.
    1.) science throughout the years has been proving itself the handmaid, instead of the enemy, of the Bible. Excavation & researches have proved that such distant events as the fall of Jericho, the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha, and the Deluge, really and actually happened, and are no mere figure of speech.
    Sir Charles Marston, the eminent British archeologist who has worked extensively in Palistine, firmly declares that far from being mere mythology, the Old Testament is, Substantialy, contemporary eyewitness accounts of events set down as they took place. Remains He has found include information on events that took place in the times of Abraham, Moses, Solomin, and Jeremias the Prophet; even the name of Abraham has been found. tablets found in Babylonia and Assyria refer to the Deluge.
    2.) The Old Testament was recognized by Jesus Christ, approved by Him, and often quoted by Him. Evidences from the New Testament proved that this was written by Christ's Apostles and Desciples.
    The style of the Gospel shows clearly that they were written by Jews. That the writers lived in the first century is shown by the vividness of their knowledge about Jerusalem, which was destroyed before the end of that century. the earliest Christian writers testify to the reliability of teh Gospels; the consent of the churches of the time proves such reliability.
    3.) The Gospels have not been changed by teh passage of centuries. This can be proved by teh oldest copies, from ancient translations and quotations. The Gospels could not have been altered, because the fervor of the early Christians carefully guarded them.
    When the Fourth century St. Jerome was ordered by Pope Damasus to gather all existing texts of the Bible and trasnlate them into Latin, there were some 35,000 ancient copies. after thirty-four years of labor, he finished the translation, our Catholic Bible, called the Latin Vulgate, from which the Catholic English version has been made.

    How is Bible divided?
    - the Bible is divided into two parts: the Old Testament and the NEw Testament.
    1. The Old Testament written before Christ, consists of forty-five books:
    (a) twenty-one historical books relating to the earliest ages of the world, or to the History of the Jews, among which books are the five books of Moses and the Four books of Kings;
    (b) Seven Doctrinal books, made up of maxims and prayers, among which are Psalms and the Proverbs, and
    (c) Seventeen Prophetical books, of four greater and twelve lesser prophets, among which books are Isias, Jeremias, and Daniel

    2. The New Testament, written after the Ressurection of Christ, consists of twenty-seven books, as follows:
    (a) The four Gospels according to Sts. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, containing the life of Christ;
    (b) The Acts of the Apostles, by St, Luke, containing the history of the Apostles after the Ascension of our Lord into Heaven;
    (c) Twenty-one Epistles by Sts. Paul, James, Peter, John, and Jude; and
    (d) Apocalypse by St. John.
    The four Gospels and the Acts are mainly historical. The Epistles are doctrinal. The Apocalypse is Prophetical.

    Who are the four Evangelists?-The four evangelist are Saint Matthew, Mark, Luke & John.

    1. St. Mathew was one of the twelve Apostles. Before he followed Our Lord, he was the tax-gatherer or republican called Levi.
    Matthew was the first Evangelist to write the Gospel, about six years after Our Lord's Ascension. His work written in Hebrew for the Jews of Palestine, was translated into Greek in the time of the Apostles. His works shows Jesus as proving Himself to be the promised Messias.

    2. St. Mark was the Disciple of St. Peter, and wrote according to what he heard from Peter Himself.
    He wrote for the Christian of Rome about ten years after Our Lord's Ascension. St. Peter approved what he wrote, which shows Christ as the Son of God.

    3. St. Luke was converted by St. Paul and became his disciple.
    He wrote about twenty-four years after our Lord's Ascension, for a distinguished citizen of Rome. His work contains many details about the Blessed Virgin.

    4. St. John was Christ Beloved Disciple. He wrote about sixty-three years after Our Lords Ascension.
    The last of the Apostles to die, he wrote in his old age to testify, against the heretics who had arisen, that Jesus Christ is True God.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by sushiro1988 View Post
    I doubt if you're also a true Christian. A true Christian -- be it a protestant or a Catholic -- is not blinded about realities.

    And the reality is that God IS NOT the author of the bible. Let's not have these delusions that God himself wrote the bible.

    The bible is a compilation of books that have been written by men throughout the centuries. And whatever was written on the bible is dependent on the cultural and political situation during the period it was written. No one can debate on this as it is simply the absolute truth.

    And yes, as what the other istoryan said, the bible itself is full of inconsistencies albeit even immoral passages but then this does not make it a lesser book or a "faulty" book. It just depends on how you apply and interpret the passage.

    But then again, "literally translating" the bible can also be very dangerous as doing such will just result in a "new religion" or a new strange sect.

    Proof of this would be the number of protestant churches that have been sprouting, sometimes in conflict with each other.
    here is some truth about Bible.

    what is Holy Scripture or the Bible?

    it is the word of God written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and contained in the Books of the Old and the New Testaments.
    1). the seventy two sacred books, together forming the Bible, were composed by forty writers in three different languages: Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. the period of composition covers at least 1,300 years, from Moses, to St, John the Evangelist
    "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all in these days has spoken to us by His Son" (Heb. 1:1)
    2.) the writers were inspired by God. by a supernatural influence God enlightened their mind and moved their will to write all that He wised, and only that. they acted as free instruments of God, Who directed them and preserved them from error.
    the writer of Holy scripture were, however, not passive instruments. each writer brought his pesonality with him into what he wrote. the writers were like skilled painters who paint from the same model. the products are similar and all correct, but with differences according to talents.

    Is God the author of the Bible?-Yes, God is the author of the Bible.
    1.)an author is not the stenographer that writes down all what he is told, but the one who tells what is to be written. Since God is the Author, the Bible cannot contain any error.
    "all Scripture is inspired by God" (2 Tim. 3:16). Copyist and printers, however, can and d make mistakes in copying the Bible.
    2.)Since the Bible is the word of God, it must be treated with the great reverence.

    This is why we take solemn oaths on the Bible, stand up when the Gospel is read, and have incense and lights used when the Gospel is SUng at solemn High Mass.

    Can the Books of the Bible be Proved to be reliable historical records?-Yes.
    1.) science throughout the years has been proving itself the handmaid, instead of the enemy, of the Bible. Excavation & researches have proved that such distant events as the fall of Jericho, the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha, and the Deluge, really and actually happened, and are no mere figure of speech.
    Sir Charles Marston, the eminent British archeologist who has worked extensively in Palistine, firmly declares that far from being mere mythology, the Old Testament is, Substantialy, contemporary eyewitness accounts of events set down as they took place. Remains He has found include information on events that took place in the times of Abraham, Moses, Solomin, and Jeremias the Prophet; even the name of Abraham has been found. tablets found in Babylonia and Assyria refer to the Deluge.
    2.) The Old Testament was recognized by Jesus Christ, approved by Him, and often quoted by Him. Evidences from the New Testament proved that this was written by Christ's Apostles and Desciples.
    The style of the Gospel shows clearly that they were written by Jews. That the writers lived in the first century is shown by the vividness of their knowledge about Jerusalem, which was destroyed before the end of that century. the earliest Christian writers testify to the reliability of teh Gospels; the consent of the churches of the time proves such reliability.
    3.) The Gospels have not been changed by teh passage of centuries. This can be proved by teh oldest copies, from ancient translations and quotations. The Gospels could not have been altered, because the fervor of the early Christians carefully guarded them.
    When the Fourth century St. Jerome was ordered by Pope Damasus to gather all existing texts of the Bible and trasnlate them into Latin, there were some 35,000 ancient copies. after thirty-four years of labor, he finished the translation, our Catholic Bible, called the Latin Vulgate, from which the Catholic English version has been made.

    How is Bible divided?
    - the Bible is divided into two parts: the Old Testament and the NEw Testament.
    1. The Old Testament written before Christ, consists of forty-five books:
    (a) twenty-one historical books relating to the earliest ages of the world, or to the History of the Jews, among which books are the five books of Moses and the Four books of Kings;
    (b) Seven Doctrinal books, made up of maxims and prayers, among which are Psalms and the Proverbs, and
    (c) Seventeen Prophetical books, of four greater and twelve lesser prophets, among which books are Isias, Jeremias, and Daniel

    2. The New Testament, written after the Ressurection of Christ, consists of twenty-seven books, as follows:
    (a) The four Gospels according to Sts. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, containing the life of Christ;
    (b) The Acts of the Apostles, by St, Luke, containing the history of the Apostles after the Ascension of our Lord into Heaven;
    (c) Twenty-one Epistles by Sts. Paul, James, Peter, John, and Jude; and
    (d) Apocalypse by St. John.
    The four Gospels and the Acts are mainly historical. The Epistles are doctrinal. The Apocalypse is Prophetical.

    Who are the four Evangelists?-The four evangelist are Saint Matthew, Mark, Luke & John.

    1. St. Mathew was one of the twelve Apostles. Before he followed Our Lord, he was the tax-gatherer or republican called Levi.
    Matthew was the first Evangelist to write the Gospel, about six years after Our Lord's Ascension. His work written in Hebrew for the Jews of Palestine, was translated into Greek in the time of the Apostles. His works shows Jesus as proving Himself to be the promised Messias.

    2. St. Mark was the Disciple of St. Peter, and wrote according to what he heard from Peter Himself.
    He wrote for the Christian of Rome about ten years after Our Lord's Ascension. St. Peter approved what he wrote, which shows Christ as the Son of God.

    3. St. Luke was converted by St. Paul and became his disciple.
    He wrote about twenty-four years after our Lord's Ascension, for a distinguished citizen of Rome. His work contains many details about the Blessed Virgin.

    4. St. John was Christ Beloved Disciple. He wrote about sixty-three years after Our Lords Ascension.
    The last of the Apostles to die, he wrote in his old age to testify, against the heretics who had arisen, that Jesus Christ is True God.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung.2 View Post
    Aside from the different translations of Aramaic,Greek,Hebrew words to english the bible had two major versions. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christians includes the Deuterocanonical Scriptures while the Protestants and Evangelicals regard it as apocryphal. My question.. which bible is inspired?
    here is some truth about Bible.

    what is Holy Scripture or the Bible?

    it is the word of God written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and contained in the Books of the Old and the New Testaments.
    1). the seventy two sacred books, together forming the Bible, were composed by forty writers in three different languages: Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. the period of composition covers at least 1,300 years, from Moses, to St, John the Evangelist
    "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all in these days has spoken to us by His Son" (Heb. 1:1)
    2.) the writers were inspired by God. by a supernatural influence God enlightened their mind and moved their will to write all that He wised, and only that. they acted as free instruments of God, Who directed them and preserved them from error.
    the writer of Holy scripture were, however, not passive instruments. each writer brought his pesonality with him into what he wrote. the writers were like skilled painters who paint from the same model. the products are similar and all correct, but with differences according to talents.

    Is God the author of the Bible?-Yes, God is the author of the Bible.
    1.)an author is not the stenographer that writes down all what he is told, but the one who tells what is to be written. Since God is the Author, the Bible cannot contain any error.
    "all Scripture is inspired by God" (2 Tim. 3:16). Copyist and printers, however, can and d make mistakes in copying the Bible.
    2.)Since the Bible is the word of God, it must be treated with the great reverence.

    This is why we take solemn oaths on the Bible, stand up when the Gospel is read, and have incense and lights used when the Gospel is SUng at solemn High Mass.

    Can the Books of the Bible be Proved to be reliable historical records?-Yes.
    1.) science throughout the years has been proving itself the handmaid, instead of the enemy, of the Bible. Excavation & researches have proved that such distant events as the fall of Jericho, the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha, and the Deluge, really and actually happened, and are no mere figure of speech.
    Sir Charles Marston, the eminent British archeologist who has worked extensively in Palistine, firmly declares that far from being mere mythology, the Old Testament is, Substantialy, contemporary eyewitness accounts of events set down as they took place. Remains He has found include information on events that took place in the times of Abraham, Moses, Solomin, and Jeremias the Prophet; even the name of Abraham has been found. tablets found in Babylonia and Assyria refer to the Deluge.
    2.) The Old Testament was recognized by Jesus Christ, approved by Him, and often quoted by Him. Evidences from the New Testament proved that this was written by Christ's Apostles and Desciples.
    The style of the Gospel shows clearly that they were written by Jews. That the writers lived in the first century is shown by the vividness of their knowledge about Jerusalem, which was destroyed before the end of that century. the earliest Christian writers testify to the reliability of teh Gospels; the consent of the churches of the time proves such reliability.
    3.) The Gospels have not been changed by teh passage of centuries. This can be proved by teh oldest copies, from ancient translations and quotations. The Gospels could not have been altered, because the fervor of the early Christians carefully guarded them.
    When the Fourth century St. Jerome was ordered by Pope Damasus to gather all existing texts of the Bible and trasnlate them into Latin, there were some 35,000 ancient copies. after thirty-four years of labor, he finished the translation, our Catholic Bible, called the Latin Vulgate, from which the Catholic English version has been made.

    How is Bible divided?
    - the Bible is divided into two parts: the Old Testament and the NEw Testament.
    1. The Old Testament written before Christ, consists of forty-five books:
    (a) twenty-one historical books relating to the earliest ages of the world, or to the History of the Jews, among which books are the five books of Moses and the Four books of Kings;
    (b) Seven Doctrinal books, made up of maxims and prayers, among which are Psalms and the Proverbs, and
    (c) Seventeen Prophetical books, of four greater and twelve lesser prophets, among which books are Isias, Jeremias, and Daniel

    2. The New Testament, written after the Ressurection of Christ, consists of twenty-seven books, as follows:
    (a) The four Gospels according to Sts. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, containing the life of Christ;
    (b) The Acts of the Apostles, by St, Luke, containing the history of the Apostles after the Ascension of our Lord into Heaven;
    (c) Twenty-one Epistles by Sts. Paul, James, Peter, John, and Jude; and
    (d) Apocalypse by St. John.
    The four Gospels and the Acts are mainly historical. The Epistles are doctrinal. The Apocalypse is Prophetical.

    Who are the four Evangelists?-The four evangelist are Saint Matthew, Mark, Luke & John.

    1. St. Mathew was one of the twelve Apostles. Before he followed Our Lord, he was the tax-gatherer or republican called Levi.
    Matthew was the first Evangelist to write the Gospel, about six years after Our Lord's Ascension. His work written in Hebrew for the Jews of Palestine, was translated into Greek in the time of the Apostles. His works shows Jesus as proving Himself to be the promised Messias.

    2. St. Mark was the Disciple of St. Peter, and wrote according to what he heard from Peter Himself.
    He wrote for the Christian of Rome about ten years after Our Lord's Ascension. St. Peter approved what he wrote, which shows Christ as the Son of God.

    3. St. Luke was converted by St. Paul and became his disciple.
    He wrote about twenty-four years after our Lord's Ascension, for a distinguished citizen of Rome. His work contains many details about the Blessed Virgin.

    4. St. John was Christ Beloved Disciple. He wrote about sixty-three years after Our Lords Ascension.
    The last of the Apostles to die, he wrote in his old age to testify, against the heretics who had arisen, that Jesus Christ is True God.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by fingolfin View Post
    .. why do you always quote verses from the bible ?? are they reliable and authentic as you claim them to be ??
    here is some truth about Bible.

    what is Holy Scripture or the Bible?

    it is the word of God written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and contained in the Books of the Old and the New Testaments.
    1). the seventy two sacred books, together forming the Bible, were composed by forty writers in three different languages: Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. the period of composition covers at least 1,300 years, from Moses, to St, John the Evangelist
    "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, last of all in these days has spoken to us by His Son" (Heb. 1:1)
    2.) the writers were inspired by God. by a supernatural influence God enlightened their mind and moved their will to write all that He wised, and only that. they acted as free instruments of God, Who directed them and preserved them from error.
    the writer of Holy scripture were, however, not passive instruments. each writer brought his pesonality with him into what he wrote. the writers were like skilled painters who paint from the same model. the products are similar and all correct, but with differences according to talents.

    Is God the author of the Bible?-Yes, God is the author of the Bible.
    1.)an author is not the stenographer that writes down all what he is told, but the one who tells what is to be written. Since God is the Author, the Bible cannot contain any error.
    "all Scripture is inspired by God" (2 Tim. 3:16). Copyist and printers, however, can and d make mistakes in copying the Bible.
    2.)Since the Bible is the word of God, it must be treated with the great reverence.

    This is why we take solemn oaths on the Bible, stand up when the Gospel is read, and have incense and lights used when the Gospel is SUng at solemn High Mass.

    Can the Books of the Bible be Proved to be reliable historical records?-Yes.
    1.) science throughout the years has been proving itself the handmaid, instead of the enemy, of the Bible. Excavation & researches have proved that such distant events as the fall of Jericho, the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha, and the Deluge, really and actually happened, and are no mere figure of speech.
    Sir Charles Marston, the eminent British archeologist who has worked extensively in Palistine, firmly declares that far from being mere mythology, the Old Testament is, Substantialy, contemporary eyewitness accounts of events set down as they took place. Remains He has found include information on events that took place in the times of Abraham, Moses, Solomin, and Jeremias the Prophet; even the name of Abraham has been found. tablets found in Babylonia and Assyria refer to the Deluge.
    2.) The Old Testament was recognized by Jesus Christ, approved by Him, and often quoted by Him. Evidences from the New Testament proved that this was written by Christ's Apostles and Desciples.
    The style of the Gospel shows clearly that they were written by Jews. That the writers lived in the first century is shown by the vividness of their knowledge about Jerusalem, which was destroyed before the end of that century. the earliest Christian writers testify to the reliability of teh Gospels; the consent of the churches of the time proves such reliability.
    3.) The Gospels have not been changed by teh passage of centuries. This can be proved by teh oldest copies, from ancient translations and quotations. The Gospels could not have been altered, because the fervor of the early Christians carefully guarded them.
    When the Fourth century St. Jerome was ordered by Pope Damasus to gather all existing texts of the Bible and trasnlate them into Latin, there were some 35,000 ancient copies. after thirty-four years of labor, he finished the translation, our Catholic Bible, called the Latin Vulgate, from which the Catholic English version has been made.

    How is Bible divided?
    - the Bible is divided into two parts: the Old Testament and the NEw Testament.
    1. The Old Testament written before Christ, consists of forty-five books:
    (a) twenty-one historical books relating to the earliest ages of the world, or to the History of the Jews, among which books are the five books of Moses and the Four books of Kings;
    (b) Seven Doctrinal books, made up of maxims and prayers, among which are Psalms and the Proverbs, and
    (c) Seventeen Prophetical books, of four greater and twelve lesser prophets, among which books are Isias, Jeremias, and Daniel

    2. The New Testament, written after the Ressurection of Christ, consists of twenty-seven books, as follows:
    (a) The four Gospels according to Sts. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, containing the life of Christ;
    (b) The Acts of the Apostles, by St, Luke, containing the history of the Apostles after the Ascension of our Lord into Heaven;
    (c) Twenty-one Epistles by Sts. Paul, James, Peter, John, and Jude; and
    (d) Apocalypse by St. John.
    The four Gospels and the Acts are mainly historical. The Epistles are doctrinal. The Apocalypse is Prophetical.

    Who are the four Evangelists?-The four evangelist are Saint Matthew, Mark, Luke & John.

    1. St. Mathew was one of the twelve Apostles. Before he followed Our Lord, he was the tax-gatherer or republican called Levi.
    Matthew was the first Evangelist to write the Gospel, about six years after Our Lord's Ascension. His work written in Hebrew for the Jews of Palestine, was translated into Greek in the time of the Apostles. His works shows Jesus as proving Himself to be the promised Messias.

    2. St. Mark was the Disciple of St. Peter, and wrote according to what he heard from Peter Himself.
    He wrote for the Christian of Rome about ten years after Our Lord's Ascension. St. Peter approved what he wrote, which shows Christ as the Son of God.

    3. St. Luke was converted by St. Paul and became his disciple.
    He wrote about twenty-four years after our Lord's Ascension, for a distinguished citizen of Rome. His work contains many details about the Blessed Virgin.

    4. St. John was Christ Beloved Disciple. He wrote about sixty-three years after Our Lords Ascension.
    The last of the Apostles to die, he wrote in his old age to testify, against the heretics who had arisen, that Jesus Christ is True God.

  9. #189
    gidaghan nako para mobasa jud mo................bye.... debate is not the answer of conflict, it will create more conflict.... maayo pa inyo tugkarun ug unsay tinuod and what is realy the realible source of truth and basis of Faith and religion....Bible raba or naa pay lain.... widen your understanding and don't interpret the Bible with yourself ky ang ato mind limited ra para maka fully understand ta sa Bible 100%...... dili awayan ang Bible ha, instead pangitaun nimo ang pinaka precise the translation sa Bible from the First Compiled and the original.....

  10. #190
    without Tradition, could we know what the Bible is?-No
    tradition teaches us what books belong to the Bible. by tradition the Church kept intact all the books of the Bible for fifteen hundred years before the existence of denominations that nevertheless assert the church does not care for the Bible.

    Protestant denominations reject Tradition. Consequently, they cannot agree about which books to be included in the Bible. one denomination eliminates one part, other denominations omit other parts, according to the respective private interpretation.

    having rejected the Tradition, protestants cannot be certain that the books they have accepted are genuine. on whose authority have they accepted what they have? protestant Bibles, the most popular of which is called "King James version" omit all or parts of the books of Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Machabees (1 & II)), and Parts of Esther & Daniel.

    Luther rejected the Epistle of St. James, because the Apostle said that faith without works is dead. Luther and Followers omitted the Apocalypse, the Epistle to the Hebrews, and the Epistle of ST. Jude.

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