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  1. #1211

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyalan View Post
    Creation date of A&E? Is there any relative fact for this? I mean, Month, Day, Year they were made. One thing... when was the last sixth day of creation?
    First, let's discuss that God is not confined by time.
    My friends and the atheists are assuming that God is confined to time in the same way that we are. But the Bible and the equations of General Relativity tell us that the entity that brought the universe into existence is not confined in time like we are, or the way that the universe is.

    God can move and operate in at least two dimensions of time. In two dimensions of time, time becomes a plane, like a sheet of paper, length and width. In a plane, you can have as many lines as you want and as many directions as you want.
    It would be possible for God to dwell on a time line running through a sheet of paper that's infinitely long, and that never crosses or touches the timeline of our universe. As such, God would have no beginning, no end and he would not be created. Sound familiar?

    Six thousand to 60,000 years ago, God created Adam and Eve. That 6,000 to 60,000 encompasses the secular date of 8,000 to 24,000. Even at this most controversial level, we have so little data to work with that we see fundamental agreement between scientific evidence and the words of the Bible. That is better than the book that says "millions of billions ago" because there's no evidence even carbon dating is not that accurate.

    "31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

    If you read the early fathers of the church, the vast majority of them adopted the view that these days of creation were long time periods, not 24-hour periods.
    The English language is the largest vocabulary language that man has ever invented. There are 4,000,000 nouns in the English language. The Hebrew language, by contrast, is one of the most noun poor languages that man has ever invented.
    So, the English reader has a difficult time appreciating that in the Hebrew Old Testament, there are very few words to describe periods of time. The Hebrew word Yom, for “day long” can mean 12 hours, 24 hours or a long time period. You have to examine the context, to determine which of the three definitions to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyalan View Post
    Creation date of A&E? Is there any relative fact for this? I mean, Month, Day, Year they were made. One thing... when was the last sixth day of creation?
    you are asking for a specific date like Nov. 19, 19... twas my bday though hehehe. When was the name for our months was invented or made actually? we do have a gregorian calendar right? we may pressume using exmaple Nov, 19 BC or Nov, 19 millions of years ago. oh it would really be awkward. Then lets just go back to the basics.
    On the contrary, in Genesis One, we see a testimony to scientific perfection. I noticed that only the Bible gets a perfect score on the creation account. It gives three initial conditions and 11 creation events, and describes all 14 perfectly and puts them in the correct chronological sequence. The best I've found outside of the Bible is the New Militia of the Babylonians, which scores two to 13 correct.
    The only reason it got such a high score is because the Babylonians weren't too far culturally from the descendents of Abraham. They heard a little bit about their story from them. No need to have the dates its already in the Bible.
    What's fascinating is that the fifth and sixth[when man was created] days of creation, for the first time, mention species of life that require the visibility of the sun, moon and stars to regulate their biological clocks.

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    New mantra, especially sa mga narcisistic people.

    "I don't believe there is a God.
    Because I don't believe someone out there is better than me."

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    @Soul Doctor

    haha nice take..

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    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    you are asking for a specific date like Nov. 19, 19... twas my bday though hehehe. When was the name for our months was invented or made actually? we do have a gregorian calendar right? we may pressume using exmaple Nov, 19 BC or Nov, 19 millions of years ago. oh it would really be awkward. Then lets just go back to the basics.
    On the contrary, in Genesis One, we see a testimony to scientific perfection. I noticed that only the Bible gets a perfect score on the creation account. It gives three initial conditions and 11 creation events, and describes all 14 perfectly and puts them in the correct chronological sequence. The best I've found outside of the Bible is the New Militia of the Babylonians, which scores two to 13 correct.
    The only reason it got such a high score is because the Babylonians weren't too far culturally from the descendents of Abraham. They heard a little bit about their story from them. No need to have the dates its already in the Bible.
    What's fascinating is that the fifth and sixth[when man was created] days of creation, for the first time, mention species of life that require the visibility of the sun, moon and stars to regulate their biological clocks.
    Ever asked why it had to take six days (literal or otherwise) to create everything when it can be done in a fraction of a second?
    Last edited by brownprose; 09-09-2008 at 12:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    First, let's discuss that God is not confined by time.
    My friends and the atheists are assuming that God is confined to time in the same way that we are. But the Bible and the equations of General Relativity tell us that the entity that brought the universe into existence is not confined in time like we are, or the way that the universe is.
    That would be religious point of view, correct? Everything is confined in time... people who are religiously obsessed don't like to confine god with time because they don't want to, period. because he's all-powerful and omniscient being/entity/it... hollow/blank. We all bind in time no matter what you think it is... even your bible was created with time patterns.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    God can move and operate in at least two dimensions of time. In two dimensions of time, time becomes a plane, like a sheet of paper, length and width. In a plane, you can have as many lines as you want and as many directions as you want.
    It would be possible for God to dwell on a time line running through a sheet of paper that's infinitely long, and that never crosses or touches the timeline of our universe. As such, God would have no beginning, no end and he would not be created. Sound familiar?
    You see brod, you already put time here. If you think that time is non-existent with your god... there should be no time to create A&E. why six days? That's part of time. I guess your great assumptions about god's beginning and end is exceptional but get this... you already set a timeline there. Begin-end, that's time.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    Six thousand to 60,000 years ago, God created Adam and Eve. That 6,000 to 60,000 encompasses the secular date of 8,000 to 24,000. Even at this most controversial level, we have so little data to work with that we see fundamental agreement between scientific evidence and the words of the Bible. That is better than the book that says "millions of billions ago" because there's no evidence even carbon dating is not that accurate.
    There it is again. 6T to 60T years... don't you think that's time there? Although, 60T years is not close to billions of years dinosaurs existed. Fundamentally, science will have a difficulty in agreement with creation of A&E.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    "31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
    Sixth day... why take that long to create things? Why not just 6th hundredths of a second to create things? Must have been laziness struck himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    If you read the early fathers of the church, the vast majority of them adopted the view that these days of creation were long time periods, not 24-hour periods.
    The English language is the largest vocabulary language that man has ever invented. There are 4,000,000 nouns in the English language. The Hebrew language, by contrast, is one of the most noun poor languages that man has ever invented.
    This mean that english language is accurate than the hebrews? Whatever they created (hebrews) was perfected by english language? Of course, man invents stuff... bible is no exception.

    Quote Originally Posted by krushuddel View Post
    So, the English reader has a difficult time appreciating that in the Hebrew Old Testament, there are very few words to describe periods of time. The Hebrew word Yom, for “day long” can mean 12 hours, 24 hours or a long time period. You have to examine the context, to determine which of the three definitions to use.
    Context? you mean the Torah? Traditionally, the bible was based on traditional hebrew texts... which is the torah. But I agree with you, man invents stuff. One of the best invention/written is the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Doctor View Post
    New mantra, especially sa mga narcisistic people.

    "I don't believe there is a God.
    Because I don't believe someone out there is better than me."
    u just don't know. i dont know u either. how popular are you? im sure our neighbor is better than you. hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownprose View Post
    Ever asked why it had to take six days (literal or otherwise) to create everything when it can be done in a fraction of a second?
    do u think He will value us that much?
    we will get confused if we will understand it as "day" as 24 hours. i already explained that its not exactly meant as it is. "day" means long period of time.. He is the most artistic entity that ive ever known. do you think if God will create us in just a sec..u think u can survive with dinosaurs and with every beasts on the earth? u think it would be pleasant for us to live? His thought is not ur thought. the problem is were trying to limit God making Him as a man like us. First place we are not the creator. if we wont believe in the things that we can see how can we believe on the things that we cant see.. were trying to question His creations and dont even learn how to appreciate them. Have you ever known a person that could create something out of nothing? Tell me his name and il make him as my god..

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    First place we are not the creator.
    Are you certain about this?

    were trying to question His creations and dont even learn how to appreciate them.
    If he created all things... then you can blame his loopholes. If you were to ask me, I don't appreciate what had done in the first place. Although, I don't have to question your god because I don't see him as an entity or supernatural being... why? there is no god.

    Have you ever know a person that could create something out of nothing?
    Have you heard of the person who created the automobile? the train? the light bulb? the telescope? the stuff you enjoy right now, like computers, the internet... just to name a few.

    Tell me his name and il make him as my god..
    Better start praying to Nicolas Joseph Cugnot - who invented the first automobile. How about Thomas Alva Edison and Hiram Maxim who invented the light bulb. You can make them your gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyalan View Post
    Are you certain about this?



    If he created all things... then you can blame his loopholes. If you were to ask me, I don't appreciate what had done in the first place. Although, I don't have to question your god because I don't see him as an entity or supernatural being... why? there is no god.



    Have you heard of the person who created the automobile? the train? the light bulb? the telescope? the stuff you enjoy right now, like computers, the internet... just to name a few.



    Better start praying to Nicolas Joseph Cugnot - who invented the first automobile. How about Thomas Alva Edison and Hiram Maxim who invented the light bulb. You can make them your gods.

    hahaha u think differently. its olryt. ur talking about inventions. were they created out of nothing? u sure? what do u use on a light bulb? was it tungsten? hu made tungsten? then u would juz say u dont know? ryt?

    "So simple any child can understand; so complex, no atheist
    can solve."

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