MERGED: CPP-NPA-NDF Discussions (Issues, Updates, etc.)

[LytSlpr]

thousands of years ago, the primitive people live without classes... classes emerged from the relations of production in which some people own the means and many do not....that is the what happened in reality in the history of humanity....

equality means no exploitation between human beings....extracting the labor of others for the benefit to those who do not work is inequality, exploitation...

communism means to eliminate exploitaion....

but in democracy one has a choice to be exploited or not.

...and i am not convinced that there is no exploitation in communism and classes and orders are here to stay not necessarily because one exploited the other but simply one harnessed his resources and exercised his skill and talent more than the other.

we are not and most of us refuse to live in a controlled colony just like in a sci-fi flick.

[situnsko]

communism means iliminate exploitation.....up!!!

[emow]

a new system of government must evolve to solve the problems of democracy.. it is already evident that democracy has its setbacks just by looking at the US, the advocate of democracy... my friends, our country is in dire need of help and unless our people will take things matters seriously and really think of a solution rather than leaving the thinking to our politicians, we are headed down south... farther than hell can reach....

[Luskan]

the problems with communism is that....

Lazy people will get the same income as the hardworking ones, deal or no deal

[situnsko]

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the problems with communism is that....

Lazy people will get the same income as the hardworking ones, deal or no deal

bro this is not the true meaning of communism...
one must work to get paid off...

[emow]

Only an Iron Fist can save us...

[internasyonalista]

class struggle is the motor of history. in the contemporary epoch where capitalism is in its death agony and can offer only the perspective of war and barbarism, the only class that can save humanity is the revolutionary struggle of the international working class

[rodsky]

the problems with communism is that....

Lazy people will get the same income as the hardworking ones, deal or no deal

But you don't get it...under true communism, there is no such thing as laziness...why? It's either the means or the ability to reform from being lazy to being productive will be almost automatic in nature, because the very idea of everyone being equal will or should encourage the lazy ones to actually do something productive with their lives, or, that the lazy entities be destroyed for non-contribution. Simple as that.

*whistles the Internationale*

Paminawa ra gud ang lyrics, angay ba kahadlokan? Lami kaayo ang dream...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CYxQQbZim8I

Filipino version...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y2NgDDe59gQ

For me, way way better than our national anthem.

-RODION

[Luskan]

Ok fine.....that wasn't meant for lazy but it meant that everyone who work(hardworking or not) receives the same or little increase in income. I mean this will downgrade the hardworking people, remember The Great Leap Forward? A status like this produce the same result, there is no progress into it.


The difficulty here is that one has little incentive to work hard in a communist system. Unless others in society match your increased effort, your individual exertions will not lead to an increase in your standard of living.

I don't believe much in the term equality in communism, afterall communism is a failure, it never solves the masses needs.

[rodsky]

Ok fine.....that wasn't meant for lazy but it meant that everyone who work(hardworking or not) receives the same or little increase in income. I mean this will downgrade the hardworking people, remember The Great Leap Forward? A status like this produce the same result, there is no progress into it.


The difficulty here is that one has little incentive to work hard in a communist system. Unless others in society match your increased effort, your individual exertions will not lead to an increase in your standard of living.

I don't believe much in the term equality in communism, afterall communism is a failure, it never solves the masses needs.

Who is more blue in the land of blue people?

In a true communist society, everyone is hard working, to the point that the term "hard working" will cease to exist.

All the occurrences of communism throughout earth's history have never been true to the cause--they were just attempts, and like any half-hearted attempt, it can and will fail.

Humanity isn't ready for true communism--it requires a very high level of global maturity.

-RODION