Davao has taken the lead in 2005 vigilante killings

[zer0_cooL]

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3310's price is around 3T.. i even lost my 3310 in ayala knowing that ayala is SUPPOSED to be a "safe" place.. but 'nywayz... last thing ive heard is now is called the shabu and killing province by the cardinal

[shoeless_rebel]

went to davao and everybody there is texting even on jeepneys and on what looks like an unfriendly neighborhood... haven't seen people jay walked, haven't seen cars parking on a no parking area.... i think they're doin something good over there...

Does that mean people who jaywalk, park in no parking zones, and snatch phones get killed in Davao? They must not believe in punishment to fit the crime. There is no correlation whatsoever between petty violations and the vigilante killings.

oh common vern... u disappoint me. i always admired your post coz ur so logical and u based everything on facts. ur alot smarter than that... i mean it's so obvious na example lang 2 siya kung unsa ka desciplined ang mga tao didto... i mean it's contagious. bisan kami na buotan sad ngadto kay ma ulaw naman ka. ma feel man gud nimo ang presence sa bala-ud so pati mga petty na violations ma avoid... unlike here sa cebu. wala gyud ngipon and law except on occasions... don't you think that's what the filipino people need? descipline? i really think that we need a government (local or national) with an iron fist coz we're almost hopeless as a race...

tsk tsk tsk

[vern]

It was a BAD example at best. Please re-read the title of the topic ... and then read what you wrote. It implied that you somehow think that these vigilante killings have something to do with the "discipline" of the people. Where I live, people follow the law. People stop when there is a stop sign. There are NO vigilante killings to give them an incentive to follow the law. Unlike Cebu or Davao, we don't have a batman to kill all the bad guys, although that would be convenient.

oh common vern... u disappoint me. i always admired your post coz ur so logical and u based everything on facts. ur alot smarter than that...

Logic and facts are funny that way. Lets talk facts ... is it fact that the vigilante killings in Davao is what stops crime? Is it fact that crimes in Davao have stopped at all ... or is it assumption? 2+2=4 is a fact by just looking at it. How factual is your information? Lets talk logic. How logical is it to think that one visit means anything ... nevermind the petty examples of people texting on jeepneys and not jaywalking. Surely there must be worse things than jaywalking and snatching? Oh common shoeless_rebel ... you are a lot smarter than that.

i really think that we need a government (local or national) with an iron fist

Sort of like Marcos? Like Lenin? Like Hitler? Like Mousilini? They all did it. They ruled with an iron fist. They made a desireable society to some. The keyword being some. It is one thing to have the law followed and another to take away simple freedoms ... taken away by lawless vigilante killings that you implied has somehow made a difference. It's funny how those that claim that the law should be upheld also step on it by being in favor of these vigilante killings ... which if you didn't know by now ... are against the law.

[tingkagol]

Hello Mr. Vern.

What is law in this country? In Cebu? Where is the law? Honestly, I'm quite unsatisfied about the tremendous lapses of the law enforcement in this damned city. Crime is everywhere... snatchers, drug-pushers. You're in Minnesota? Yes? I hope you've tasted being a victim or even just a witness to these crimes that have become all too common when you were still in the Philippines. It gives your statements much depth rather than conventional conformity to the "law". It is easy to say the things you said when all you have for justification is a newspaper, a law-abiding self, and a mind of a critic. You are a Filipino, right?

I, for one, was a victim of the "lag2x barya" scheme. I was 2nd year college in USCTC. I was on a multicab from highway, Mandaue headed to Talamban. I was sandwiched by the culprits. Purposely dropped the coins behind my feet. Raised my feet. Next thing I know, my cellphone was gone.

Drug pushers. It is unavoidable to meet a drug abuser in our neighborhood. I have friends who are drug-abusers. It is all too common around here to be bringing twigs of marijuana or packets of shabu. The drug labs. Did our local authorities made the raids? No. The task force from Manila did. So, is it safe to say that our local authorities had no idea about the drug operations while the task force in manila knew what was going on in these labs? An idiot would believe that. The local authorities have insanely gigantic lapses, safely saying. Even Teddy Ouano said, "I admit I have lapses."

On sinulog, a bunch of people got snatched of their belongings in ayala alone. Where's the police? Why do we NEED to conform with a law-enforcement that is tremendously flawed? Do we just sit here and wait for the police to do their goddam job?

The vigilantes. For chrissake, nobody said they're the PERFECT solution to this mess. Drugs have gone way underground. I remember a friend who uses drugs told me the price of shabu has significantly increased after the Vigilantes showed up. The snatchers will eventually decrease in numbers, unless they're not afraid of death. I am not in favor of killing anyone for a minor offense such as stealing. But one cannot help but notice the positive effects shadowing the negative these vigilantes have caused in our society.

The vigilantes... ah, yes. This is not perfect... but for now, they'd do.

So get up, go outside.. talk to your neighbors. See the city. Witness its goods and bads. It is all better than sitting behind a monitor all day criticizing without experiencing the world around you. •


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Oh, the police can't even identify a single vigilante. How's that for efficient law-enforcement?

[shoeless_rebel]

funny how vern attacks my opinion... i do apologize vern. here's my side of the story...

davao cannot be compared w/ any other place here in the philippines... where you live is a different thing (i don't know if your'e here or abroad...) but where i live... i somehow feel that extreme measures are necessary. i know it's against the law... but as i mentioned our situation calls for extreme measures... did i mention anywhere in my post that the crime rate of davao is zero? i don't think so too...

ruling with an iron fist for me is necessary as a form of transition. if you beg to differ then that is your opinion and i respect that...

if you think my example is bad... i respect that too... but what i was trying to imply is that the presence of the law or the feeling of the presence thereof has that effect on the populace... i don't think they're afraid coz they might get killed by a vigilante just by jaywalking but i feel that they have a healthy respect of the law there... thus petty violations as much as possible is avoided.

i did not post my opinion here to get into an argument... i know ur a lot smarter than me vern if that is what your'e trying to imply by your sarcastic remark (mine is purely innocent. no sarcasm intended). i did not post here to get flamed so this will be my last post here on this topic

anyway, my mom was born and raised in a municipality within/near davao. we have a house there. been there more than once...

your'e anti, i'm pro... anything wrong with that? does that mean that all opinions aside from yours is wrong? if that's the case... i apologize again high and mighty vern... (sarcasm intended "if that is the case...")

[shoeless_rebel]

sorry double post

[M@rv|n]

in times like this? we need a juicy ... i guess we should be

[shoeless_rebel]

naa pa di.ay last na post:

well said tingkagol... gotta hand it to you bro. pero kabalo ko di mu mag human ni vern... vern pa...

peace out vern...

*runs away...*

[FK]

what's the use of law of the land... when the implementing body is ineffective? Should we wait forever?

When ERAP was impeached... we tried him through Impeachment court, we people saw that it was not effective, so take the law into our own hand... by marching to the streets.

Now... here comes these scumbugs, we can't march into the streets like we did with Marcos and Erap... coz this people have guns, so we need to use guns to counterattack them.

[vern]

tingakol, nobody said they were the perfect solution ... but who said that they were a solution at all? Throwing out the law because the goverment is too weak to execute it is done for convenience and nothing more. Furthermore, you are not conforming to the law enforcement, you are supposed to conform to the law. I don't understand what you are getting at when you hint at it being "ok" to break the law when my previous little discussion with shoeless_rebel has me talking to her about death not being fitting punishment for petty crimes. I have lived in Cebu, you are not the only victim of these petty crimes. It makes me wonder ... do you really believe that unlawful killing is the right punishment for the price of your cell? It must have been pure-gold. You say you don't ... but in your next sentence you endorse it with the assumption that it is responsible for "positive effects". I'm curious at what data you have that proves that these killings in fact have "positive effects".

shoeless_rebel, don't assume that I'm trying to make this personal between you and me. I criticize your post and only your post. You are the only person trying to elevate me above anyone (sadly yourself). I maybe have been sarcastic, but all of it directly criticizes your post, nothing more ... nor did I assume that I was right. On that note, I didn't assume you were any more right than me. I attacked your opinion ... so what? This is a discussion forum. What am I supposed to say? Sorry baby, I agree ... how is that?

@tingakol and shoeless_rebel ... Your whole argument stems from the fact ... yes, the fact, that the execution of the law is what you call "flawed". Maybe both of you didn't understand the point ... the point being that just because the execution has not been working doesn't mean it should be thrown out. The argument that you must be a victim to understand "your side" is moot. Both of you think that vigilantism should be allowed. The fact is ... it isn't. That is your opinion, I respect that ... but I disagree, and apparently the law sides with me. Try to justify all you want ... no one has said anything that I could remotely agree with. We all can agree to disagree.