Merged: Paco Larrañaga

[heavenearth]

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logically, probably nothing but who knows... but if at least one or two forumers will being to question and eventually start to be a "convert" then that is good enough for me.

the people who will get paid will be converted.

[heavenearth]

first of all, yes i question the integrity of our justice system because we too were victims of obvious corruption. a titled land was literally and technically grabbed from us. RE: MCIAA Lahug airport lot now AsiaTown I.T. Park

basin dili ang MCIAA ang grabber. hahaha. joke lang bai

secondly, in Paco's case, as I've said, his case was already sealed from RTC level pa. the evidences and testmonies were not accepted not even heard and this is a fact. the case was an obvious mistrial. sa lower courts pa lang pwerti na gyud ka luto. so all SC had to do was review how the case was tried and the testimonies and evidences presented, so naturally in this situation the SC had no choice but to uphold the decision of the lower court. kay abi underdog kunohay ang mga chiongs so trial by publicity na because of the media plus personal secretary pa gyud ni Erap ang auntie sa mga chiongs. plus erap was very influential during his time in both the justice system and police agencies especially PAOCTF, even more influential than the osmenas and aznars. plus the mysterious murder of the judge. i was even surprised why the osmenas did not lift a finger to pull some strings in Paco's case. they just merely gave him their moral and probably financial support.

thats youre own opinion and not the voice of the cebuanos who are not paid

let's not be naive, in this country justice can be bought depending on your wealth and influence. look at those crooks in senate and congress who have committed actual crimes; known drug lords in high society; political criminals in position; etc.. etc..

not this case.

moreover, if one has been really following this case and actually believes that judge martin ocampo killed himself in waterfront mactan has go to be SO STUPID and DUMB to say the very least.

we do not know, even pro paco and anti can do.

[heavenearth]

i am not here to argue.

FYI, i am a friend of both sides by affiliation, in fact closer to the victims. it just happen that Paco was indeed in Manila and I know it for a fact and it is just not right for him to be in jail. as long as someone innocent is in jail IT IS NEVER A DONE DEAL. kapisch?!

BTW, if you are tired then by all means get out of this thread, plain and simple. are the facts that i am presenting in this thread bothering you in any way, if it is then why and how so?

innocent criminal?. criminal diay gihapon. hehehehe

[mango]

@lytslpr

Ka hambug ra nimo dodong, uy. Ikaw bay tag-iya sa istorya.net?
You're not here to argue? Nag unsa man diay ka nga hagbay raman ka ug sigeg yawit. You're trying to convince people that Paco is innocent - di ba? Just don't get mad when there are people who don't think the way you do. If you say you personally saw him in Manila - then fine ! Too bad, your voice didn't get its way to the lower courts, & the SC. You could have, should have testified- why didn't you? If you did- then better put up or shut up ALREADY. CONVICTED NA SI PACO ! Obviously, the alibi ( weakest form of defense) of Paco being in Manila on said date of rape wasn't convincing enough for the people who mattered.
Mas gamit unta imong tanan hambog ug istorya sa una. Why now? Ask yourself why !

If you also say, you're a friend of both sides, i beg to disagree. Sa mga Larranagas ug Osmenas maybe but you're certainly not a friend of the Chiongs cause just by reading all your comments - you're hurting the Chiong family more with all your ravings and rantings. How would you feel if you're in their shoes? Mangaway naman gani ka sa paglaban nimo ni Paco. I already told the sisters of Thelma about you, istorya.net and your comments and if you're really a friend of theirs- they'd like to know your name. Hambog man ka kaayo. Tiwasa nalang kuno imong kahambog by revealing who you really are. A friend of both sides by affiliation, my foot!
Padayon nalang sa imong causa, bro. Maau pa mag dala2x ka ug placard sa Capitol everyday & shout to high heavens of Paco's innocence. Buhata na kada adlaw until they release Paco. Kana, mo saludo "paco" nimo. Ug ayaw ka high blood kung dili tanan motuo nga innocent imong friend nga si Paco.
Funny how this reminds me of a saying that goes- " If I'm in jail and you're my one true friend- you would be sitting beside me in my cell. "

Heavenearth is right. Innocent criminal? Criminal man gihapon ! Amen to that !!!

[goryo13]

now, i wonder where's the popcorn?

nywayz, the ball is not in our hands... in fact, the case would have been either way considering the media hype - which is in favor of the victims and the influence of the accused who has all the right connections and well, the money.

given all the evidences presented, it's hard not to believe they are guilty. regardless of the outcome of the case, bottomline: that's their destiny in life. maybe, if the evidence that indeed PACO was in manila compelling enough, the SC would have reversed it but after reviewing the case, they even imposed on him and the rest of the accused a stiffer penalty.

but then again, we can all agree to disagree.

[LytSlpr]

@lytslpr

Ka hambug ra nimo dodong, uy. Ikaw bay tag-iya sa istorya.net?
You're not here to argue? Nag unsa man diay ka nga hagbay raman ka ug sigeg yawit. You're trying to convince people that Paco is innocent - di ba? Just don't get mad when there are people who don't think the way you do. If you say you personally saw him in Manila - then fine ! Too bad, your voice didn't get its way to the lower courts, & the SC. You could have, should have testified- why didn't you? If you did- then better put up or shut up ALREADY. CONVICTED NA SI PACO ! Obviously, the alibi ( weakest form of defense) of Paco being in Manila on said date of rape wasn't convincing enough for the people who mattered.
Mas gamit unta imong tanan hambog ug istorya sa una. Why now? Ask yourself why !

If you also say, you're a friend of both sides, i beg to disagree. Sa mga Larranagas ug Osmenas maybe but you're certainly not a friend of the Chiongs cause just by reading all your comments - you're hurting the Chiong family more with all your ravings and rantings. How would you feel if you're in their shoes? Mangaway naman gani ka sa paglaban nimo ni Paco. I already told the sisters of Thelma about you, istorya.net and your comments and if you're really a friend of theirs- they'd like to know your name. Hambog man ka kaayo. Tiwasa nalang kuno imong kahambog by revealing who you really are. A friend of both sides by affiliation, my foot!
Padayon nalang sa imong causa, bro. Maau pa mag dala2x ka ug placard sa Capitol everyday & shout to high heavens of Paco's innocence. Buhata na kada adlaw until they release Paco. Kana, mo saludo "paco" nimo. Ug ayaw ka high blood kung dili tanan motuo nga innocent imong friend nga si Paco.
Funny how this reminds me of a saying that goes- " If I'm in jail and you're my one true friend- you would be sitting beside me in my cell. "

Heavenearth is right. Innocent criminal? Criminal man gihapon ! Amen to that !!!

somebody's getting personal. tsk.. tsk.. tsk.. define argue... some people just can't hack it. just give your opinion and views if you can endure an intelligent conversation. idiots normally result to bashing and worst, thread trashing which you are apparently doing.

BTW, one thread IS NOT istorya.net get your head straight! and obviously dili AKO ang na high blood, IKAW siguro! Plus you did not read the entire thread otherwise you should have not brought up the issue of me not testifying. Ayaw dige ug satsat, pag kat-on usa ug basa una ka atakihon sa kasing-kasing.

I already told the sisters of Thelma about you, istorya.net and your comments and if you're really a friend of theirs- they'd like to know your name. Hambog man ka kaayo. Tiwasa nalang kuno imong kahambog by revealing who you really are. A friend of both sides by affiliation, my foot!

It doesn't matter if you told the sisters of Thelma Chiong or even Thelma herself. I am speaking of what I know for a fact and what's on my mind. It won't change my stand. I am just a small speck of the universe. If Thelma truly wants to find justice, let her talk to all the witnessess who maintained that Paco was in indeed in Manila which Martin Ocampo dimissed and which she found justifiable. Afterwhich, I will accept your offer in talking with Thelma Chiong.

By still being in denial, do you take comfort in the fact that Paco is in jail and the real criminals are still free? If you do, then that is one sick and twisted perception of justice in my book. and that won't set Marijoy and Jacqueline free.

It's just very funny how Rusia's testimony was given so much weight and the testimonies of Paco's classmates, friends, teachers were not even heard if they were truly pursuing the interest of justice and how all 3 Del Gallego sisters became LIARS including the son of a former Cebu City Mayor for standing for Paco. and YES, they are the "better citizens" at least compared to Rusia in reputation and standing.

I rest my case, it's indeed personal for you. So there's no point even talking to you. I strongly suggest you take a pill.

[LytSlpr]

osmenas have more connections than chiong.

not during erap's time

even jury system will not satisfy to those people who will not accept the truth.

oh yeah? then let them have a re-trial NOW even without a jury. if you want a jury to prove your point in judging me, then do it at your own expense.

so you mean, the lower court and SC are not intelligent individual. hahahaha. and you are belongs to the better citizens. what a joke.

did i say that? all i said in a nutshell was that the SC upheld the RTC's "influenced" or probably "manipulated" decision.

[LytSlpr]

publicity with enough evidence and not planted. mamili nalang gyud ang mga chiong ug kaliwat sa mga osmena nga lisod banggaun. i don't think so.

wala na gi pili, it's by circumstance and also probably a case of mistaken identity.

[LytSlpr]

basin dili ang MCIAA ang grabber. hahaha. joke lang bai

read previous posts for this

thats youre own opinion and not the voice of the cebuanos who are not paid

exactly, it is just my objective opinion supported by facts.

not this case.

oh really now? did you read the entire thread?

we do not know, even pro paco and anti can do.

yeah right! ocampo? suicide? and I'm Jimmy Hoffa.

[LytSlpr]

now, i wonder where's the popcorn?

nywayz, the ball is not in our hands... in fact, the case would have been either way considering the media hype - which is in favor of the victims and the influence of the accused who has all the right connections and well, the money.

given all the evidences presented, it's hard not to believe they are guilty. regardless of the outcome of the case, bottomline: that's their destiny in life. maybe, if the evidence that indeed PACO was in manila compelling enough, the SC would have reversed it but after reviewing the case, they even imposed on him and the rest of the accused a stiffer penalty.

but then again, we can all agree to disagree.

i totally agree with you. if I only I have no personal knowledge of some facts, i would think the same. For most people who doesn't know ALL or even ANY of the personalities in this case, it is very easy to say that Paco was indeed guilty. As what I have said, just as easy when people chose Barabas over Jesus. Paco was no Jesus but that doesn't make him a rapist and a killer.

Human nature or Filipino nature if I may, "ay sus mga anak ug datu. mga abusado gyud na sila kay ga salig man. basin mga adik pa gyud na. sila gyud nagbuhat ato. klaro na kaayo!" even without us knowing anything or just even following the case. Again, if one followed the case carefully, it was indeed a mistrial.

Alibi is indeed the weakest defense but sometimes, it is the only defense. I don't need to convince anyone here that Paco is innocent but saying that this was NOT a mistrial as well as NOT a trial by publicity is definitely false and is such an UNDERSTATEMENT. It's funny how the general public clamor for ***, crime, gossip and blood in a Christian nation at that.