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    The thread title is unfortunately, permanent....

    The thread title is unfortunately, permanent.
    Tried negotiating this with the istorya.net section mods before but my request was denied.

    We do remind applicants to spell it correctly when...
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    Maypa mu kaila mo nako. Ako, wala ko kaila...

    Maypa mu kaila mo nako.
    Ako, wala ko kaila ninyo.
    Which is probably a good thing since not prone to prejudice akoang reply kay wa man koy idea kinsa mo.

    Anyway, we do promote healthy discussions...
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    Good info there bai. You shed some light on some...

    Good info there bai.
    You shed some light on some matters.

    Feel free to chime in anytime.
    Lingaw ni diri if naay topic na interesting.
    It so happen na ang trending ron kay "overtime" and "best...
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    It doesn't always take an engineer to do...

    It doesn't always take an engineer to do engineering works.

    I do get your point.
    Yes, it is the engineering aspect that I am claiming we are still best in Cebu.
    So lets get to it.
    * should be...
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    I speak of my experiences here, nothing more....

    I speak of my experiences here, nothing more.
    What I say is of my own opinion with references to current rules and regulations within the Company.

    Your quote also mentioned contract as the basis....
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    Yes. For global practices, here we perform...

    Yes.

    For global practices, here we perform some projects that require the project location's local code.
    So it requires you to familiarize the code of a certain country.
    You are also exposed to...
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    On point! Thank you for your thoughts. True....

    On point!
    Thank you for your thoughts.

    True. Owning a business is one of the vehicles to success.
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    I respect your opinion. The claim of being...

    I respect your opinion.
    The claim of being number one is subjective because it was not defined from whose standard are we basing it.
    My criteria is certainly not the same as yours.

    From my...
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    My understanding is that the contract cannot...

    My understanding is that the contract cannot directly contradict the existing laws.
    The law trumps any signed contract and contracts must be in accordance with the applicable local laws.
    There are...
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    That is far from a threat. Why would we even...

    That is far from a threat.
    Why would we even give threats?

    It is what it is. A reply.
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    "useless reply with no basis" strong words. be...

    "useless reply with no basis"
    strong words. be careful.

    your presented legal basis actually agrees with what i said.
    See Section 4 (c), "All time spent for such work shall be considered as hours...
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    I do understand. Before it is even called an...

    I do understand.

    Before it is even called an "overtime" in Fluor, it should be approved first.
    Otherwise, its just an extension and is not billable.
    If the member extended in his own will, then...
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    There's nothing misleading there. I simply...

    There's nothing misleading there.
    I simply follow your logic of telling the whole truth regarding the overtime system in Fluor.

    I responded to your post point per point.

    A "non-payment of...
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    The laws and compensation system for overtime is...

    The laws and compensation system for overtime is detailed on the contract.
    If a member signed it, they agree to it.

    If it states that an approval is required before a member receive any pay, then...
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    What part of it is contrary? Requiring approval...

    What part of it is contrary?
    Requiring approval for overtime is not deviating from the law.
    If it is, then all other companies is violating it.

    If a member signs any job contract from any...
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    Up to you. You keep bringing it up as the "whole...

    Up to you.
    You keep bringing it up as the "whole truth" but its only one sided.
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    base sa imung logic, which is to tell the whole...

    base sa imung logic, which is to tell the whole truth:

    Wala bayad ang overtime if ang tao mismo nag stay sa office then nag extend work na walay pananghid.
    A member cannot declare overtime by...
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    As what i've learned from past HR Managers and...

    As what i've learned from past HR Managers and GM:

    In the engineering industry, people always come and go.
    Its the footprints you leave behind, the connections you made, and the skills that you...
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    Still YES. The advantage is still there...

    Still YES.

    The advantage is still there compared to local companies.
    A global brand with a local presence.
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    If they were still project-based for five years,...

    If they were still project-based for five years, I can see four possibilities to this.

    First if they chose to remain project-based, meaning they willed it.
    Second, the project is a big project...
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    Client would rather say, "bring the best people...

    Client would rather say, "bring the best people in".
    Best is subjective and sometimes the ideal people are not from Cebu.
    So here comes people from Manila.
    Fluor is paid with the same rate $/hr...
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    I used to think of this as an unfair practice...

    I used to think of this as an unfair practice before.
    Why were they given such perks. Spoiled.
    Then I realized something through our open topic conversation with middle management.
    They said that...
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    I think some fresh grads na top notcher apil. I...

    I think some fresh grads na top notcher apil.
    I know some top notcher who tendered resignation instead.
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    Here is the story of the top placer couple: ...

    Here is the story of the top placer couple:

    Lovers from Cebu top board exams one after the other


    He's one of the many fresh grad placers that got hired by Fluor Cebu and was from a university...
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    Its regretful that you were in that situation....

    Its regretful that you were in that situation.
    Its understandable that you did what you had to do.
    You simply exercised your principles.
    No one can take that against you.

    Any member in Fluor...
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    You can always say no. The Company will not take...

    You can always say no.
    The Company will not take it against you kung di ka mag overtime.
    Ayaw padala sa pressure.

    Kung naay pinugsanay na nahitabo, then its the leads fault for agreeing to...
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    What i mean by waiting, is not waiting while...

    What i mean by waiting, is not waiting while doing nothing.
    Waiting for the opportunity while working under a different company instead.
    Mga professionals na ta diri, I thought common sense na ang...
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    This crisis have been going on and off for a long...

    This crisis have been going on and off for a long time now.
    It is a recurring event, a cycle, and its common knowledge.

    Fluor will eventually get better as the Clients in the oil business gets...
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    If an overtime is not acknowledged, there will be...

    If an overtime is not acknowledged, there will be no pay.
    If a member knows na dili siya mabayaran kay dili acknowledged iyang overtime, dili siya dapat magreklamo.

    Kung ang member nagovertime...
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    Where there is a community, there will be...

    Where there is a community, there will be politics.
    Fluor is a community, so it is bound to have politics.

    From the way how the management handled the oil crisis and the member retention, I could...
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