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Originally Posted by gibra'al i think highly likely mabalik ang ECQ status sa tibuok cebu next month. let's see ug tinuod ba ang sources. pero ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibra'al View Post
    i think highly likely mabalik ang ECQ status sa tibuok cebu next month. let's see ug tinuod ba ang sources. pero ug akoy pangutan.on, dli gyd sustainable ning approach. paeta. magsalig ang mga taw sa ayuda.

    naa rabay mureklamo nga sig pangutang ang pinas, pero dli sd ganahan patas.an ang tax. taymsa ha. klarohon ta daw na b. hahaha.

    but i think i can empathize with them where they're coming from ana nga paminsar nga cynical na padung, dli sd gyd kasaligan ning gitunolan sa mga funds.
    cebu city ra siguro, ayaw na tawn i-apil ang province maluoy mo...

    complacency and lack of discipline + weak leadership (of cebu city) is a recipe for disaster...

    curious gyud ko, who's calling the shots in cebu city before cimatu intervened? asa ang mayor? mas naa lagi kisaw si dino... na overpower ang mayor's office sa OPAV?

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    hopefully sir dli ra tnuod ky di btaw lalim.

    c dino man gyd nay ga-bida2 sukad na cya na-appoint sa OPAV dri sa cebu. imposible pd kaayo ug ako ra ang nkabntay ana, for sure naa puy lain nga nkabntay anang hilas2 nya. samot na atong mayoral election campaign dri. wa man gyd nay umoy c labella, which is VERY APPARENT atong mayoral debate nila ni tomas. galatagaw btaw ang agi. kato mismo red flag na. but people are too absorbed with their emotions when it comes to voting, so...

    mao ra gyd nay d nako ganahan ni duterte, he exercised nepotism when he took the seat and it (gradually) backfired on him. he's technically to be blamed anang kang dino ky cya may ga.appoint anang kagwanga na. hinaot lng dli matabunan ang achievements ni pdut sa mga apan nya ky ubay2 mn gyud cyag agi kumpara sa iyang predecessor (pnoy). naa pa koy salig ni duterte, pero questionable gyd ang mga taw sa palibot nga ga.feed ug intel sa iyaha.
    Last edited by gibra'al; 06-26-2020 at 01:10 PM.

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    This cycle of 1st wave-ECQ-GCQ...2nd wave-ECQ-GCQ...and I'd bet we'll have a 3rd wave-ECQ-GCQ...rinse and repeat...this is getting tiresome and insane. How many stage-1 cancers have become stage-3 or 4 because these patients can't get their early treatment? How many have died due to the effects of the lockdown? And what about our economy? Never mind that people die of lockdowns and the economy collapses, as long as the Covid numbers get flattened.

    Here's something that's worth a try: get this virus down to the level of Influenza and re-open the economy (no new normals...just the way it used to be). Not ECQ, not GCQ, but HCQ (Hydroxychloroquine) as per the protocol suggested very simply by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko. Here's how it works:

    1) Identify patients with a high risk of dying.
    2) Treat them within 5 days of first symptoms.
    3) Use the drug therapy: Hydroxychloroquine 200mg 2x/day for 5 days; Zinc sulfate 220mg 1x/day for 5 days; and if needed, Azithromycin 500mg 1x/day for 5 days.

    The result, as per the good doctor, is 99.7% survival rate, 84% reduction in hospitalizations.

    What are the scientific basis for this?

    1) Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro
    2) Efficacy and safety of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine in moderate type of COVID-19: a prospective open-label randomized controlled study
    3) Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19: results of a randomized clinical trial
    4) Using Hydroxychloroquine and Other Drugs to Fight Pandemic

    Are there doctors prescribing the hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) protocols to their patients?
    According to a survey on 6,200 Multi-Country Physicians on COVID-19, HCQ is the most cited drug for the treatment of COVID-19.

    Who's who among these doctors that are in support of HCQ are: Dr. Zhong Nanshan (known as the hero of SARS 1), Dr. Harvey Risch (Yale), Dr. Didier Raoult (French infectious disease expert), Dr. Joseph Varon (100% recovery rate in his Texas hospital), Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Dr. Ivette Lozano, Dr. Dmitri Yanez, Dr. Anthony Cardillo, Dr. Robin Armstrong, Dr. Ban Truong

    Are there countries that either have adopted the HCQ protocol in their national guidelines or have a lot of their doctors treating their patients with HCQ?
    Turkey, Morocco, South Korea, Indonesia, Belgium, India, France, Spain, Russia, Senegal, 23% in the US, 41% in Brazil...and a few more.

    Coronavirus: How Turkey took control of Covid-19 emergency

    Chief doctor Nurettin Yiyit (Turkey): "It's key to use hydroxychloroquine early. Other countries are using this drug too late, especially the United States. We only use it at the beginning. We have no hesitation about this drug. We believe it's effective because we get the results."

    Moroccan Scientist: Morocco’s Chloroquine Success Reveals European Failures

    Dr. Zemmouri (Morocco): “Professor Raoult has been repeating that hydroxychloroquine is useless for hospitalized patients, but [efficient] in the first days of [infection]...78% of Europe’s coronavirus-related deaths could have been avoided if European countries had applied the same chloroquine strategy as Morocco.”

    Why ICMR continues to stand firm on using hydroxychloroquine as prophylaxis

    Dr Balram Bhargava, Director General of the ICMR (India): "The Council found the drug very effective and having less side effects for prophylaxis consumption."

    So, why isn't HCQ adopted in all the countries? Because fraudulent studies and randomized trials by prestigious institutions have influenced the policies of organizations like WHO and countries that adhere to WHO guidelines strictly.

    The retraction from two major medical journals (the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine) of their retrospective studies that supposedly shown HCQ to be ineffective and harmful...this should've been front page headline, but just flew under the radar. Read it here: Two elite medical journals retract coronavirus papers over data integrity questions

    Then there are these so-called "gold-standard of clinical trials," the randomized clinical trials (RCT). There were three of them conducted with the design of yielding negative result for HCQ: Oxford's Recovery Trial, WHO's Solidarity Trial, and the REMAP-CAP Trial. Here's the article, exposing the use of toxic doses of HCQ on severely ill patients in order to show HCQ to be ineffective and harmful: Dr. Meryl Nass Discovers Hydroxychloroquine Experiments Were Designed to Kill COVID Patients

    WHY? Why are they doing this? Why the need for fraudulent studies and designed-to-make-HCQ-fail clinical trials? BECAUSE IT WORKS! If HCQ was truly ineffective and harmful, there'd be no need to attempt fraud. Just test HCQ according to the prescribed protocol that was claimed to work, which was to treat early. Big pharmaceutical companies are heavily invested in their new antivirals and vaccines. Of course, they'd be threatened by a cheap drug that seems to have a recovery rate for patients at 92-98%!

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Enough with this cycle of waves and lockdowns. Time for HCQ+Zinc+(doxycycline or azithromycin) to take the center stage and blow COVID out of the water.
    Last edited by hitch22; 06-25-2020 at 08:17 PM.

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    mahurot na dyud ang Pilipino and its time for china to conquer us once and for all.

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    Kay gahi man daw ug ulo 😂

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    The increase in fatality cases here in Cebu is a bit concerning. From April through most of May, the data showed an incredible 96% asymptomatic cases. It should be noted that heat and humidity in April and May was pretty high. And early on, people's immune systems were perhaps higher and now they're probably decreasing at a high rate as the lockdowns linger...especially among the poor where Lord knows what kinds of diet are sustaining them (most likely food with less nutritional value).

    In other words, lockdowns are bringing more harm the longer it goes. We will see more deaths because of this. IATF, DOH, Mayors, etc....wake up and get your heads out of your asses! The cost of ECQ's are outweighing it's supposed benefits. Time for the Zelenko protocol of HCQ (with zinc and azithromycin/doxycycline) and re-open the economy. This just in:Rheumotologitsts’ view on the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19. More doctors are now coming out in support of HCQ. It works. There's even one doctor, Dr. Richard Urso, who has a standing bet to anyone who can show that the Zelenko protocol does not work.

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    Gahig ulo lagi.

    Mag sabong paman gani tunga sa dan.
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    GCQ gahapon... 500 kabuok na dakpan... Gi criticize na pud ni Duterte ang Cebu ganina sa iyang meeting sa IATF.

    Ug akoy Gwen mo ingon kung nganong kami ra permi nga naa man pud daghan sa NCR, klaro kaayo gi likay ang mata sa Presidente didto duol sa ilang mga silingan, hadlok guro ma sultihan nganong wala ka badlong nga naa raman mos duol.

    Hayyss Cebu.

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    There's this eye-opening interview done in Ecuador: From Disaster to Victory: How Guayaquil beat Covid-19

    Here's a few standout snippets from that link:

    ...quarantine is essential in our opinion...like staying home with severe restrictions and with a few exceptions, of course, in order to keep the city running. BUT YOU CANNOT PUT PEOPLE IN THE DILEMMA OF DYING OF A CORONAVIRUS OR STARVING...because there are many people who are not salaried and are neither in the public sector nor in the private sector.
    The first thing we had to do is choose what we wanted to do apart from coordination. And what we decided was to prevent and cure to avoid death.
    What did we do about it? We immediately import medicines, HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE and AZITHROMYCIN basically. COLUFASE [the broad spectrum antiparasitic], which is something that is also used, was on the market...first thing we did with the treatments was to deliver them free of charge, first to supply all hospitals and all public and private clinics
    THE IMPORTANCE OF TREATING EARLY:
    Here [hydroxychloroquine] has worked for us. That's the truth. Now, the Italian doctors said: we made a mistake, we started giving this medicine when people were sick and what had to be done is the other way around, giving it when people start treatment.
    ...not based on a single medicine like hydroxychloroquine, but based [also] on azithromycin and colufase. This is a mixture that has paid off, so to speak.
    THE STRANGE CASE OF WHO:
    You know about the problem with the WHO, but then you've backed down. Critics have been dropped. We are guided by two parameters. The first parameter is that of efficacy. If that is what was initially said to work and it did indeed work, and we must be clear, it (HCQ) is a medicine that has not been discovered today...that medicine is taken by people with lupus and arthritis. I know people who are 85 years old and have been taking that medicine for 20 years, of course in the right dose for their age and their disease. Then we have followed the studies of Spain, Italy and France. And in the finals, the great critic which was the World Health Organization backed down and erased the criticism from its files, which seems very strange to me.
    SUCCESS and SAFETY OF HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE PROTOCOL:
    Now, what have we achieved together, working as a city, after we had very serious days here? I give you an example. April 6: 460 deaths above normal. The normal is less than 40. On May 10, a month and four days later, we achieved zero Covid victims for the first time. Guayaquil was recognized as one of the cities that most drastically fell the curve in the shortest time. Guayaquil did it really fast. From there we start to have several zeros. A few days ago we had for the first time a week with zero Covid deaths .

    In terms of medications, would you say that hydroxychloroquine is the drug that has won this battle?

    I am not a doctor, nor a scientist. I tell you what I've observed and what the doctors say. I don't think it is exclusively hydroxychloroquine, but that it has been a basic factor in what has been achieved, definitely yes. We have not had a single report of anyone having a heart attack from the use of that type of medicine. And I repeat, it is used frequently and for a very long time. Sometimes for life.
    It's high time we give this a try!!!
    Last edited by hitch22; 08-08-2020 at 02:47 PM.

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    There is no one magic bullet for Covid-19, but a protocol involving multiple drug cocktail.

    Here's the deal with this disease. Covid-19 progresses in three stages: pre-cytokine storm, early cytokine storm, and the late cytokine storm. In the pre-cytokine storm, i.e. the first five days when symptoms first present itself in the form of fever, cough, loss of taste/smell, this is the best time to stop the disease progression; HCQ+Zinc is very potent in inhibiting viral replication and this allows your immune system to handle the viral load. Dr Zelenko has published his clinical results which showed 84% reduction in hospitalization and over 98% reduction in mortality.

    In the early cytokine storm stage, HCQ+Zinc may not be as effective. Here is where corticosteroids (Dexamethasone or Methyprednisolone) become useful. In autopsies of Covid-19 victims, it's been shown that patients suffered lots of blood clotting and they all exhibit sepsis. Dr. Paul Marik's protocol has shown to be very effective in this stage, as demonstrated by Dr. Varon's implementation of this protocol in his hospital. The protocol is called MATH+ which stands for Methyprednisolone, Ascorbic Acid (intravenous), Thiamine (to metabolize oxalates due to high vitamin C introduction), and Heparin (to fight blood clots).

    In the later but not too late stage of the cytokine storm, Convalescent Plasma is the way to go.

    Finally, when it's too late, it's too late. There is no drug that works when the patient's problem is the ultimate effects of immune overreaction like organ failures and heart attacks. This was how those dishonest trials on Hydroxychloroquine got done. They used extremely high doses (like 2,400mg of HCQ on the first day in the case of the Recovery Trial...and WHO's Solidarity Trial where Singapore had to back out when it found out the lethal dosing prescribed for HCQ) and they used it on severely ill patients (and they always do not include ZINC, which is very important)...just so it can show that HCQ does not work and caused death. Zelenko keeps repeating this: HCQ is the gun, Zinc is the bullet!

    WHO should not test on one drug versus another drug. They should test drug protocols (also getting dosages, timing, types of patients correctly), as used and claimed by doctors who've demonstrated success in treating Covid-19. A trained chef can tell you the ingredients of his dish. If you failed to replicate the quality of his dish, does that mean the ingredients did not work? No. You have to follow everything: the right amounts, the right timing, the right heating temperatures, the freshness of the ingredients, etc. These people who conducted Randomized Controlled Trials (RCT) and gave 2,400mg of HCQ on the first day without ZINC on severely ill patients are just like those testers who either don't get importance of dose, drug combinations, timing, etc. or are intent on showing HCQ as a failure...in order for pharmaceutical companies to guarantee their profits when their vaccines / new drugs come out to "save the day".

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