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point taken sir. i can see duterte's approach man nga he's trying to defuse and/or avoid conflict against china ky mao man say pinaka realistic ...

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    point taken sir. i can see duterte's approach man nga he's trying to defuse and/or avoid conflict against china ky mao man say pinaka realistic nga approach sab to protect our welfare. hinaot lng he would reach out kang xi about conflict of interests and discuss terms with him just to set boundaries btaw while 'apparently' maintaining close ties with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    So the idea is to leave ABS CBN's franchise renewal and approval of said "franchise law" to their viewership? Because if we were to follow this logic, as long as they have viewers their franchise should be renewed and no other law should limit ABSCBN's right over said frequencies.

    So hypothetically, even when ABSCBN committed unlawful acts against other entities or other people and/ or didn't follow the requirements or violated stated requirements in their franchise where they agreed to in the first place, we the " entire public" still have to leave their franchise renewal to their viewership, as long as they have viewers and as long as they are making money? Making-money, because they won't be operating the business if they were losing money in the first place.
    If ABS CBN violated our laws, then they should be held to account in a court of law and get due process. As to their franchise, well, it's just ABS CBN's misfortune that that's how the granting of franchises in the Philippines works; you don't mess with the powers that be.

    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Really, if we were to follow this kind interpretation of "marketplace of ideas", ABSCBN should air in Youtube, or over the internet and stay away from the strict requirements of the government's free-to-air limited frequencies. Doing away with their current "ABSCBN franchise".
    Well, ABS CBN operated for several decades. It would seem strange that they suddenly forgot about certain "strict requirements". But, in any case, case is over. Let's move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    If they want to by-pass or do away with Congress, and Executive strict requirements ,they can always go to Youtube, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Facebook Watch, and other providers over the internet where they won't need government resources "limited frequencies" to operate.
    Limited frequencies? Are the airwaves full? How many TV stations are we talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    The law maybe harsh, but it is still the law.
    The Constitution was created not to curtail people's rights but to limit government's power.

    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    You didn't give me a link to such index, so I googled the keywords "freedom of speech index" and came to here:https://rsf.org/en/ranking#

    It seems Norway is at the top of the index. A quick glance at their freedom of speech on limitations.

    Hate Speech is also another limitations imposed on Norway's Freedom of Speech, here:
    https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news...f-hate-speech/

    Norway also has a defamation law:
    https://kellywarnerlaw.com/norway-de...20be%20imposed.

    But suffice it to say, even the Norway the country at the Top (#1) in the Freedom of Speech index has limitations to Freedom of Speech.
    Sorry. I meant the Free Expression Index which shows the US as most supportive of free expression.

    The US takes its First Amendment very seriously; rhetorically why the founding fathers made the free speech article First. Even with the defamation/libel laws inherited from old English legal system, you will find that these are not as plaintiff-friendly as you think "due to the enforcement of the First Amendment". Read US Defamation Law.

    In the United States, a comprehensive discussion of what is and is not libel or slander is difficult, because the definition differs between different states....

    ...In the various states, whether by case law or legislation, there are generally several "privileges" that can get a defamation case dismissed without proceeding to trial. These include the litigation privilege, which makes statements made in the context of litigation non-actionable, and the allegedly defamatory statement being "fair comment and criticism", as it is important to society that everyone be able to comment on matters of public interest...

    ...On the federal level, there are no criminal defamation or insult laws in the United States.
    Remember what I said. Free speech is only recommended for highly intelligent and mature societies. I didn't say highly intelligent and mature societies have them. These societies can choose not to have them. It's also possible for less intelligent, less mature societies to have them, and it's creating a lot of conflicts in their countries. Freedom isn't the norm throughout civilization, because a lot of people tend to think they can trade freedom for security and they usually end up getting neither. In the end, I think there are people who like independence and take responsibility for their actions and there are people who prefer the government take care of them. The former looks riskier, of course...well-suited for the brave.

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    Well, you brought it up in your previous post regarding North Korea and Dictatorship, so.
    Well, I stated that I HOPE we don't end up like North Korea. Why do you keep bringing this up?

    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Debt problem, is another propaganda I've heard being brought about by the opposition, even the US is having trouble with such, and this pandemic has worsened it.
    The last time our government entertained thoughts of dealing with the debt problem, PGMA's time, they passed 8 tax laws.

    I requested from you an optimistic forecast (and I hope you can indulge me), because I see a bleak future. I see the Philippines headed further down the Socialism path full speed, the size of our government getting bigger and bigger, more and more leftist policies, and attitudes towards private enterprise less friendly and over-regulated. In the words of the great Lee Kuan Yew "You make profit a dirty word and Singapore dies." Whether you like it or not, we've made the word "profit" a dirty word. Ten years down the road...watch how we barrel down the path of Venezuela with proud social justice bravado, only to learn the painful lesson that we can't legislate our way out of poverty...because in economics, there's no such thing as a "free lunch". There is no substitute for hard work, smart choices...a little bit of luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's PRO Time View Post
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    I'll just leave this here

    Dut3rt3 B3sT Pr3s1d3nT!!!!!
    hehe myra sab samok na kaayo na silang mga giingon POLITICAL TOOL nga gitawag ug DDS.

    I voted for duterte but thats not ENTIRELY mean na 100% akng pagsalig niya karon gani nahimo na lang 30% moubos pa jud na! Just bec. of his allegiance in China and the current issues sa SPRATLY na D JUD NA MAPROTECTAHAN NIYA! dili ko modayg sa akng nakitang sayop na gibuhat niya.

    Dili jud ko kablame ug nganong d jud na basta2x mawagtang ang giingon mga DILAWAN/YELLOWTARD or whatever u called them you can't deny the fact na nakig batok ni sila sa mga ilogan na intsik! sa admin ni PANOT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEMONOCIETY View Post
    hehe myra sab samok na kaayo na silang mga giingon POLITICAL TOOL nga gitawag ug DDS.

    I voted for duterte but thats not ENTIRELY mean na 100% akng pagsalig niya karon gani nahimo na lang 30% moubos pa jud na! Just bec. of his allegiance in China and the current issues sa SPRATLY na D JUD NA MAPROTECTAHAN NIYA! dili ko modayg sa akng nakitang sayop na gibuhat niya.

    Dili jud ko kablame ug nganong d jud na basta2x mawagtang ang giingon mga DILAWAN/YELLOWTARD or whatever u called them you can't deny the fact na nakig batok ni sila sa mga ilogan na intsik! sa admin ni PANOT!
    That's geopolitics to you.

    You can't please the US because they have supported the yellow Liberal Party and lost. You can't strong arm China because they have the military might, trade might and influence. You don't have the resources because apparently you just came into power with only a handful and allies. What you are left with is your wits.

    What do you do? You go the Singapore way, remain neutral and try to calm down the slightly awakened giant. Try to resolve conflict over the table where you have more chances of fair play.

    Would you rather go the noynoy ang Trillanes way? Bring out your aging military assets and try to drive out the enemy, a shouting match over the international stage and risk war?

    You know that single bullet that hits a military instalment could mean aggression and start a war right?

    What the previous admin did created a broiling scenario for war.

    This admin is trying to talk it over.

    I always prefer talks over conflicts, talks over war, talks to settle and argument. Than war to settle one.

    Reklamo naman gani mawala lang kadali ang internet which is somewhat a luxury. Samot na tingale kung mag kagubot, mawala ang tubig, kuryente, internet, ug facebook.

    Give peace a chance, talk it over. I don't care how long it takes.

    Should other countries or other Filipinos want to go to war. Pwede raman, pero know that in times of war, fathers bury their sons, in peace at least sons bury their fathers.

    Don't tell me nga a war could be avoided because that is what Duterte is doing now, preventing a war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Try to resolve conflict over the table where you have more chances of fair play.
    mao man jud ny sakto even the former supreme court chief sa dilawan mao ni gisulti na pangusgan ky pabor nato ang arbital ruling. but dtete is kagar kapila mogawas sa iyang baba na ihatag na lang jud ang spratly in exchange sa utang



    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter
    This admin is trying to talk it over.
    Too ka? dtete right now is like

    towards china

    ok ra gani ni dtete na maligsan sa dagkong chinese vessel atong mangingisda abswelto dayon ang mga tikoy, kasab-an pa niya ang atong looy na mangingisda tsk!

    For me, It's too late to talk over regarding the issues na dako na kaayo tag utang tungod sa kaboang na palabi pangutang, na sealyohan na siya sa utang gigapos ng kamot mao na ang pinaka option niya IHATAG ang spratly kalooy pud sa atong kaigsoonan sa taga palawan na mao ry source sa pagpangisda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    What do you do? You go the Singapore way, remain neutral and try to calm down the slightly awakened giant. Try to resolve conflict over the table where you have more chances of fair play.
    I wonder what "fair play" are you talking about? Did China become less aggressive after this "talking" with them? Kissing China's ass is not being neutral. People buy the "independent foreign policy" BS that this administration peddles, BUT that's not what's happening and it's not going to happen unless we have strength to back it up.

    Would you rather go the noynoy ang Trillanes way? Bring out your aging military assets and try to drive out the enemy, a shouting match over the international stage and risk war?
    I prefer the Widodo style.

    You know that single bullet that hits a military instalment could mean aggression and start a war right?
    Why fire at their military installations? I don't think even the US would risk that. What we can do is guard our EXCLUSIVE economic zone. Kung pabuang-buang ang insik aw birahan.
    https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...%20China%20Sea.

    Ang ako lang di masabtan ngano ang atong mga silingan makabuhat ana pero kita dili? Ngano mo tuo dayon ta sa narrative nga mag gubat dayon ug pildi dayon ta nga makita man nato sa reality nga layo ra nas tinood. Padala sa psywar nis PDuts. Isog lang nis mga mayokmok ug mga ordinaryong tao.

    Duterte akong gibutaran sauna pero wa jud ko kauyon aning iyang policy ngadto sa China, samotan pa jud ning cge ug slash sa AFP modernization budget ug daghang mga issue sa corruption nga maoy nakasamot pagkalangay aning atong delayed na kaayo nga AFP modernization program.
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    ^i really underestimated widodo before karon na opaw akong kilay oi! mao ny gipangita nako na style sa PRESIDENTIABLE dili ITOY parehang butete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonBlownapart View Post


    I prefer the Widodo style.
    Kumusta man ang approach ni Widodo? Effective ra?
    Widodo is President since 2014, did China budge about it's claims?
    No bilateral talks between Indonesia and China, only show of arms each time naay reklamo sa border.
    Chinese fisherfolks are even encroaching in Indonesian claimed closer and closer every time.
    Has the Widodo approach discouraged China from doing what it is doing to other countries?

    I can only surmise, that this approach is going nowhere except more tension and longer Presidential term of office for Widodo.

    Why fire at their military installations? I don't think even the US would risk that. What we can do is guard our EXCLUSIVE economic zone. Kung pabuang-buang ang insik aw birahan.
    https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...%20China%20Sea.
    I believe you knew that warships are an extension of a countries sovereignty right? When you say "aw birahan" do you mean to say pusilon? I thought the idea was not to start a war?

    Ang ako lang di masabtan ngano ang atong mga silingan makabuhat ana pero kita dili? Ngano mo tuo dayon ta sa narrative nga mag gubat dayon ug pildi dayon ta nga makita man nato sa reality nga layo ra nas tinood. Padala sa psywar nis PDuts. Isog lang nis mga mayokmok ug mga ordinaryong tao.

    Duterte akong gibutaran sauna pero wa jud ko kauyon aning iyang policy ngadto sa China, samotan pa jud ning cge ug slash sa AFP modernization budget ug daghang mga issue sa corruption nga maoy nakasamot pagkalangay aning atong delayed na kaayo nga AFP modernization program.
    When you say " Ngano mo tuo dayon ta sa narrative nga mag gubat dayon ug pildi dayon ta nga makita man nato sa reality nga layo ra nas tinood." .

    I'd just like to ask, where are you getting your information from?
    Should I believe you or the President who has the arsenal, the intelligence and the military frontliners and advisers to conclude otherwise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEMONOCIETY View Post
    mao man jud ny sakto even the former supreme court chief sa dilawan mao ni gisulti na pangusgan ky pabor nato ang arbital ruling. but dtete is kagar kapila mogawas sa iyang baba na ihatag na lang jud ang spratly in exchange sa utang

    Too ka? dtete right now is like

    towards china

    ok ra gani ni dtete na maligsan sa dagkong chinese vessel atong mangingisda abswelto dayon ang mga tikoy, kasab-an pa niya ang atong looy na mangingisda tsk!

    For me, It's too late to talk over regarding the issues na dako na kaayo tag utang tungod sa kaboang na palabi pangutang, na sealyohan na siya sa utang gigapos ng kamot mao na ang pinaka option niya IHATAG ang spratly kalooy pud sa atong kaigsoonan sa taga palawan na mao ry source sa pagpangisda.
    Unsay ngalan ato nga Supreme Court Chief Justice nga imong gi ingon nga dilawan ni sulti ana? May I know his name?

    Another is "

    but dtete is kagar kapila mogawas sa iyang baba na ihatag na lang jud ang spratly in exchange sa utang ",
    Asa dapit gi ingon ni Duterte ni nga line? Sure ni, ni ingon gyud siya ani? Or was it a joke? Naa kay link, ganahan rako makabalo ug unsa ni katinuod.
    Sometimes baya basta dili ka maminaw ug tarong unya didto ka maminaw sa uban tawo lahi-on nimo pag sabot, maong gusto ra nako madungog gyud mismo gikan sa iyang baba kung mao ba gyud ni ang iyang gi sulti as what you have specifically said.

    When you say it is too late to talk. Unsa naman lang diay ang dapat buhaton?

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    After years gikan pagka daog ni Digong, abi jud nakog isog ni siya pero kung China na gani ang istoryaan aw, kebs lang. Wala siya paki alam sa mga mangisdaay ngadtos atong isla nga pila na sila katuig didto nanginabuhi nya karon ilogon lang sa China? Ang logic kay, "Di ta mo sukol kay kusgan sila" so if mao na, then it also applies na kung e invade sa China atong mainland di lang sad gihapon ta mo sukol kay mas kusgan man sila? Ang U.S. nang gigil na jud sa China like ganahan na jud sila makig gubat mao nang sige padungog dungog nga naa ra sila sa atong luyo, pero unsay ingon ni Digong? Sila daw ang una mo tira kay mo sunod ra ta? What? If we can't bleed for our own country how can we expect someone to bleed for us? So therefore I conclude, babaon ra jud nis Digong sauna pa. Bulala kaayo, ang giapang tira kanang iya rang ma Yano.

    With that being said, naa man sad siya daghan na buhat nga maayo. Pero, he's the same as others who came before him. Abi ko ug dili greedy si Digong, parehas ra siya sa uban, ang naka lahi kay kung sa uban taw kwarta si digong ka gahom. Katong election nga ni dagan si Digong, wala ko mo botar kay kahibaw ko nga dili maka daog akong manok nga si late Miriam Defensor Santiago. Daghan kog reklamo aning Digong ug sa iyahang administration, daghan kaayo og mga propaganda, storya didto storya ngari. Pero kay tungod siya man akong presidente karon, akong loyality naa niya, unta maminaw pud lang sad siya sa opposition kay dili tanan advice ihatag niya maka daot sa iyahang posisyon.
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