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wa ko kasabot... dili issue ang non-declaration... pero si CJ Corona, dali kaayo na impeached bec of misdeclaration? wa ta ilara ani? XD diba need ...

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    wa ko kasabot... dili issue ang non-declaration... pero si CJ Corona, dali kaayo na impeached bec of misdeclaration? wa ta ilara ani? XD
    diba need mag submit ug SALN? pero CJ sereno, exempted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post
    Mao bitaw na ilang i.tackle sa impeachment court. Pero mind you very big difference na nga allegations between Sereno and Corona. Si Corona mismo ni admit siya during the trial na naa jud siyay tinagu-an na wealth.

    Lahi ang non-declaration ug mis-declaration sir in terms of proving kanang ilang gitawag na "betrayal of public trust". Non-declaration ra ila issue ngari.
    Sa pagka lahi sa non-decleration ug mis-declaration, mura ug pareho raman tingali. Kay if dili nimo i-declare, pasabot ana ang totally sa imung gi-declare kay mis-information na. Kay dili man accurate.

    Naa sad koy nakit.an dri: BIR finds 'discrepancies' in Sereno's tax papers | SunStar

    And para sa kanang pila ka million U.P. explains why Sereno did not file SALNs while she was university prof | InterAksyon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post

    Pila ka millions ang wala gi.declare? Unsai basis nimo ani?

    Ang issue is wala siya ni file daw during her stint sa UP. Dili issue ang underdeclaration intawn. Dili man gani issue ang iyang non-declaration during her term sa SC.
    i think apil ang katong iyang income while being the consultant sa PIATCO. daghan millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post
    Judgement against her is moot until evidence is shown sa proper trial. Tanan gipang.link nimo kay allegations pani karun. Nangita ko ug evidence mismo showing betrayal of trust. Dali rajud bitaw kaayo mu accuse ug lain tao, labi na knowing the character of Gadon. Ikaw, pwede rajud ka mu file ug kaso sa imo silingan without even without evidence. Mudawat ra jud na ang korte sa imo complaint. Pero that does not mean guilty imo silingan

    However, if ma.prove sa trial na she indeed hid wealth, then I stand corrected and mu agree ko na she should be removed.
    Pero the second link nag butang nmn ngad2 na confirmed naman dyod na walay SALNs, ang U.P lng ning tubag nuon. hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post
    Judgement against her is moot until evidence is shown sa proper trial. Tanan gipang.link nimo kay allegations pani karun. Nangita ko ug evidence mismo showing betrayal of trust. Dali rajud bitaw kaayo mu accuse ug lain tao, labi na knowing the character of Gadon. Ikaw, pwede rajud ka mu file ug kaso sa imo silingan without even without evidence. Mudawat ra jud na ang korte sa imo complaint. Pero that does not mean guilty imo silingan

    However, if ma.prove sa trial na she indeed hid wealth, then I stand corrected and mu agree ko na she should be removed.
    U.P. explains why Sereno did not file SALNs while she was university prof | InterAksyon

    Basaha daw balik sir.

    U.P. explains why Sereno did not file SALNs while she was university prof
    By Camille A. Aguinaldo, InterAksyon | December 11, 2017, 12:35 PM

    MANILA, Philippines — The University of the Philippines and the Office of the Ombudsman have responded to the directive of the House Committee on Justice to shed light on why some of the Statements of Assets and Liabilities and Net Worth of Chief Justice Maria Lourdes Sereno were missing.

    The missing SALNs were supposedly filed by Sereno when she was UP professor in the years before she was appointed in 2010 as top magistrate by then President Benigno Aquino III.

    On Monday, December 11, during the continuation of the committee’s hearing on the impeachment complaint filed by lawyer Lorenzo Gadon against Sereno, a letter from the UP Human Resources Development Office (HRDO) was read, stating that the office did not find the chief magistrate’s records in its file for the years 2000 to 2001 and 2003 to 2006.

    According to the UP HRDO, Sereno was on official leave during these years until she resigned in 2006 as evidenced by her letter to then university chancellor Emerlinda R. Roman.

    In previous hearings, the office’s Angela Escoto said her office had only retrieved the 2002 SALN of Sereno.


    The UP official also said there were also no records in Sereno’s personal files in her office of “permission to engage in the limited practice of profession.”

    “Based on the 201 file of Chief Justice Sereno, no record appears of the permission to engage in limited practice of profession,” she said.

    UP faculty members were required to submit a form asking for permission to engage in private practice.

    Gadon is accusing Sereno of failing to declare her earnings worth $745,000 or P37 million in her SALN when she served as a government counsel in the case with the Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. before an international court in 2003 when she was a university professor.

    Meanwhile, the Ombudsman’s office, through a letter, on Monday also submitted to the House panel certified true copies of Sereno’s 1998 SALN.

    The Judicial and Bar Council (JBC), which was also subpoenaed by the House panel to submit copies of Sereno’s SALNs, has yet to comply.

    JBC executive officer Annaliza Ty-Capacite said a resolution by the council in relation to the House directive was still being processed and finalized.

    Applicants for the chief justice and justice positions are required to submit their SALNs to the JBC.
    On Monday, December 11, during the continuation of the committee’s hearing on the impeachment complaint filed by lawyer Lorenzo Gadon against Sereno, a letter from the UP Human Resources Development Office (HRDO) was read, stating that the office did not find the chief magistrate’s records in its file for the years 2000 to 2001 and 2003 to 2006.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post
    Stems from katung ni accuse si Duterte ug certain judges na apil daw sa narco list pero fake news diay.
    Unsay evidence nimo anang imong gi ingon nga fake news?

    Murag ang script sa LP karon kay:

    1. Fake News
    2. Diktador
    3. EJK

    Balik2x gyud ni hangtud matanom sa utok sa tawo. Same rani sa panahon ni noynoy pud nga ang script sa kontra kay:

    1. Abnoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiano View Post
    wa ko kasabot... dili issue ang non-declaration... pero si CJ Corona, dali kaayo na impeached bec of misdeclaration? wa ta ilara ani? XD
    diba need mag submit ug SALN? pero CJ sereno, exempted?
    Kung sayop ang current admin, all hell breaks lose.

    Kung sayop ang LP, sala sa current admin.

    Kung klaro na kaayong sayop sa LP.... Mingaw pas tanan nangamatay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post
    Allegation na sa UP ug ni Gadon sir. Dili ni evidence. Naglibog ka sa duha. Dili man gani siya damning evidence. Mao bitaw nang mag trial. After trial if found guilty jud siya of that, then mu admit ko na sayup ko. But now, allegations rana tanan.


    Also, DID NOT FIND and DID NOT FILE are two very, very different things. Basaha daw usab sir.

    As to the fake news:

    Supreme Court clears 3 judges on 'narco list' | ABS-CBN News

    PDEA-backed SC ruling na ha. In case mu ingon kag biased. FYI the PDEA is under the President, again if mu ingon kag biased. Now tell me, if dili na fake news, ngano gi.clear mana sa PDEA?

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    That link does not even put into consideration any defenses the CJ might have. Allegation rana siya. Dili lang ko maka uyon atung isa ka istoryan ngari na pinamay kaayo, na bogo dayun daw ang mu disagree niya. Huwata sa kaha ang impeachment trial. Kana, if found guilty jud si CJ, mu admit ko na sayup ako pag supporta.

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    Any evidence of this? Or kang Gadon ra imong basis?
    Kapoy man lalis nimo bradier.

    Diay nindot diri nga argument sir ai.

    Murag naa diha naka butang gi question si Sereno nganong "WALA" siya mo file ug SALN:

    Feuding justices spark ‘verbal fireworks’ at SC
    posted April 11, 2018 at 01:45 am by Rey E. Requejo
    ORAL arguments on the quo warranto case against Chief Justice Maria Lourdes Sereno turned into a shouting match Tuesday, as she and Associate Justice Teresita Leonardo-de Castro traded barbs at the Court Session Hall in Baguio City.

    Sereno had suffered a setback earlier when the Supreme Court rejected her motion to have five of her colleagues on the bench—including De Castro—recuse themselves from hearing the quo warranto petition against her because of their bias and animosity toward her.

    The decision, announced by acting Chief Justice Antonio Carpio, means that Associate Justices De Castro, Noel Tijam, Diosdado Peralta, Lucas Bersamin and Francis Jardeleza will participate in proceedings to determine if Sereno’s appointment as chief justice in 2012 was valid, and if she should be removed from office for her failure to file all her statements of assets, liabilities and net worth as the petition filed by Solicitor General Jose Calida seeks.

    During Tuesday’s session, De Castro grilled Sereno, who was compelled by the Court en banc to answer questions under oath, on the SALNs she submitted to the Judicial and Bar Council when she applied for associate justice in 2010 and chief justice in 2012.De Castro asked the chief justice why she submitted a false SALN in 2010 and incomplete SALNs in 2012.

    De Castro said the chief justice did not meet the requirement under the Constitution when she filed only one SALN in 2006 when she taught in the UP College of Law, and when she submitted it only in 2010, when she applied for a position in the Supreme Court.

    “When you resigned from UP in June 2006, you should’ve filed two SALNs—one in April 2006 for 2005 and then another in June 2006 when you resigned. But you only submitted one for 2006 and executed it in 2010, which was not even notarized,” De Castro told Sereno.

    But the chief justice denied the allegation, describing the questioning by De Castro as “absurd, unreasonable and oppressive.”

    Sereno said she was unable to submit her SALN for 2006 in 2010 because she was required by the JBC to submit the requirement on a Friday afternoon.

    “I only submitted a downloaded form and dated it 2010; it’s not [the] SALN,” she said, adding that it was accepted by the JBC.

    Sereno argued that she did not violate the SALN law by failure to comply with the requirement unless there is an allegation of corruption against her.

    But De Castro cited Sereno’s previous opinion, where she held that “under the law, failure to comply [with the SALN law] is prima facie evidence of unexplained wealth.”

    De Castro also confronted the chief justice over her allegation that De Castro had told her she would never forgive Sereno for accepting the post of chief justice.

    “That conversation never happened. I’m going to prove that,” De Castro said.

    De Castro along with Peralta, Bersamin, Jardeleza and Tijam, rejected Sereno’s motions seeking their inhibition.

    Carpio, who presided over the oral arguments, said the five justices would explain their reasons for refusing to recuse themselves from the case in their respective opinions when the Court issues its decision.

    Jardeleza and Tijam shared the view of De Castro that Sereno was merely offering several excuses for why she failed to present her missing SALNs.

    “You filed but couldn’t find them, you were not reminded, or the others also did not also file…The filing of a SALN is a constitutional and statutory requirement.,” Tijam said.

    Sereno failure’s to submit her SALNs for the past years is the major basis of Calida’s quo warranto petition asking the Court to nullify Sereno’s appointment as chief justice.

    Sereno maintained that she consistently filed her SALN as required by law.

    Associate Justice Marvic Leonen, like Sereno an appointee of former President Benigno Aquino III, said the failure to comply with the SALN requirement did not appear to be a major violation that would constitute a “lack of proven integrity.”

    He said integrity should involve bigger allegations such as corruption.

    Arguing his case, Calida emphasized that Sereno did not meet the eligibility of proven integrity due to her false and incomplete SALNs.

    “Sereno was a permanent faculty member of the University of the Philippines College of Law from 1986 until 2006. She deliberately failed to file her SALN 11 times in her 20 years as a law professor. Based on the UPHRDO Certification and Letter of Director Escoto, she selectively filed her SALNs for the years 1985, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, and 2002,” he said.

    “It is demanded by no less than our Constitution that a public officer or employee shall, upon assumption of office and as often thereafter as may be required by law, submit a declaration under oath of his assets, liabilities, and net worth. The Code of Conduct and Ethical Standards is no less emphatic: It behooves every government official or employee to accomplish and submit a sworn statement completely disclosing his or her assets, liabilities, net worth, and financial and business interests,” Calida said.

    Calida justified the filing of quo warranto petition seeking the ouster of Sereno from the top judicial post, saying Filipinos “deserve a better chief justice.”


    Supreme Chief Justice Maria Lourdes Sereno (R) stands next to Associate Justice Teresita de Castro during the annual convention of the country’s judges, in Manila on March 8, 2018 as shown in this file photo. They figured in a shouting match in Baguio City on April 10, 2018 after De Castro began questioning Sereno on the issue of SALNs.
    In his opening statement, Calida called Sereno a “usurper” who “unlawfully” holds the position of chief justice.

    “In all candor, the Filipino people deserve a better chief justice. The Court must not allow a person who lacks integrity and has questionable qualifications to sit at the pinnacle of the judicial department,” Calida said.

    “It would seem unseemly for the members of this Court to permit such a person to sit among them despite her ineligibility. This would spell the beginning of the end of this venerable institution,” the chief state lawyer argued.

    Calida filed the petition seeking to nullify the appointment of Sereno as chief justice and her removal from office for allegedly failing to completely disclose her wealth in accordance with the law.

    Sereno has sought the pleading’s dismissal for lack of jurisdiction and merit, insisting that she can only be ousted through impeachment.

    Calida said his petition was not detrimental to the independence of the judiciary.

    “This case is not about singling out Sereno; it is about ensuring that only those of proven integrity occupy the highest position in the judiciary. This is not about weakening the Supreme Court. It is about strengthening it by making sure that it acts as a collegial body in accordance with the nature of its functions,” the chief state lawyer said.

    “This case is not about eroding the independence of the judiciary. It is about preserving the honor and dignity of the Supreme Court as an institution,” he said, even as he expressed confidence that the magistrates would decide on the matter in favor of “what is lawful and what is right.”

    Sereno’s lawyer Alex Poblador, on the other hand, argued for the dismissal of the quo warranto petition on technical grounds.

    Poblador said the case was belatedly filed since such a petition has a prescription period of only one year and that the solicitor general should have instead filed a petition for certiorari because he was questioning the action of the JBC.

    Calida’s petition wants the SC to void Sereno’s appointment as chief justice in 2012 and remove her from office for allegedly failing to fully disclose her wealth in compliance with the law.

    Calida on Tuesday denied that President Rodrigo Duterte was behind the quo warranto petition against Sereno, as the chief justice had claimed.

    “The President never instructed me to file a quo warranto case against respondent Sereno; that’s not his style,” he said, in an interview before the oral arguments began.

    The chief state lawyer said he filed the quo warranto petition on his own, “without the President’s instruction.”

    “I can look at you straight in the eye and say the President has nothing to do with this,” he said.

    Sereno’s latest accusation provoked an angry response from Duterte, who said she could now count him as her enemy.

    But Sereno’s spokesman, Carlo Cruz, said the question Sereno raised during her speech only echoed the question many people were asking about who was behind the attempts to oust her.

    “I think the question is reasonable and I think the reasonable response would have been to address the question. You do not face it, hopefully, with anger. These are men and women in the highest positions of government,” he said.

    “Are we as citizens no longer free to express what is in our minds? I would like to think that we are still free in that regard and who better than the chief magistrate, the chief justice to precisely display this freedom of expression,” Cruz said.

    Cruz also said that “vocal efforts seeking to oust Chief Justice Sereno” started during the Duterte administration and “the nation knows who actually started this thing.”

    In oral arguments, Poblador told the justice hearing the quo warranto case that favoring Calida’s petition would hurt public policy that preserves the independence of the judiciary and the separation of powers among the three co-equal branches of government.

    “It is not difficult to see that allowing the solicitor general to remove a sitting justice by quo warranto will set a dangerous precedent that will destroy this public policy,” Poblador said while urging the SC justices during the oral arguments to dismiss Calida’s petition.

    “If allowed to do so, what will stop the solicitor general from filing similar petitions against any sitting justice, based on any offense, whether impeachable or not, on the theory that such offense can somehow reflect on his integrity and probity?” he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post
    Allegation na sa UP ug ni Gadon sir. Dili ni evidence. Naglibog ka sa duha. Dili man gani siya damning evidence. Mao bitaw nang mag trial. After trial if found guilty jud siya of that, then mu admit ko na sayup ko. But now, allegations rana tanan.


    Also, DID NOT FIND and DID NOT FILE are two very, very different things. Basaha daw usab sir.

    As to the fake news:

    Supreme Court clears 3 judges on 'narco list' | ABS-CBN News

    PDEA-backed SC ruling na ha. In case mu ingon kag biased. FYI the PDEA is under the President, again if mu ingon kag biased. Now tell me, if dili na fake news, ngano gi.clear mana sa PDEA?

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    That link does not even put into consideration any defenses the CJ might have. Allegation rana siya. Dili lang ko maka uyon atung isa ka istoryan ngari na pinamay kaayo, na bogo dayun daw ang mu disagree niya. Huwata sa kaha ang impeachment trial. Kana, if found guilty jud si CJ, mu admit ko na sayup ako pag supporta.

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    Any evidence of this? Or kang Gadon ra imong basis?
    Bradier, please don't forget that this is a forum here and by no means a court of law. What we're doing here is raising opinions and debating or argue on what is "currently" being tackled.

    Kay kung mag sigeg kag pangita ug gitawag nimog "evidence", which by the way kay selective kaayo. Ngano ka ingon kong selective, kay kung naa tay i raise coming from authorities, ingnon dayon nga fake news, pero kung pabor like statements coming from authorities ingnon dayon evidence.. na mao nani karon.. Ayaw atras abante sa imong selective evidence.
    Kay kung mangita ka ana walay argument mahitabo diri sa forum kay unya paman na ma decidedan nga evidence ba kung i admit na.

    But bradier tanawa na diha bradier kanang akong gi post nga oral argument regarding SALN, gi ask siya..

    Nganong WALA man ka mag file ug SALN ani nga mga years? <--- the mere fact nga wala ni gi question sa abogado ni Sereno, only proves nga tinuod diay nga WALA siya mag file ug SALN.

    I hope na gets nimo akong pasabot, kay ni ingon man kang dili lage evidence na.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post
    Ayaw lang lalis sir. Hehehe Pwede ra ka muadto sa imong usual na accusation: "Yellow" everytime mahutdan nakag maingon para mahuman na ang sturya.

    Aw oo diay .. Dili diay lalis.. Unsa diay saktong term ana bradier??

    Argue or debate?? - I correct lang ko bradier unsay saktong term.

    If basahon nimo sa oral arguments, klaro kaayong "did not file" si Sereno ug SALN.

    ahem.. ahem ..

    OT:

    Unsay hurot bradier? Ang mga ka alyado sa LP?

    Bradier ayaw kalimot nga naa ka sa "Politics and Current Events" nga forum, and being biased to a political party is OK.

    Karon bradier, are you yellow or not yellow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attorneybirdman View Post
    Wala jud ka kasabot anang defense na lack of jurisdiction sir ug implications anang if mu present kag imong own evidence. Cge lang. Di nalang ta maghisgot ana.

    Kani lang ta:

    Yes, being biased politically is okay. But calling other people "bogo" just because you disagree is not . Agree ta ana?

    As to my political views:

    Maglisud kag tuo sir, kay murag maglisud jud ug analyze imong brain na naa juy gray areas ang kalibutan, pero none of the above ko. Voting record nako kay G1bo and MDS. Willing ko mu appreciate ni Duterte, and willing ko mu criticize. Lisura sabton ana sah? Pro CJ ko as of now. If proven guilty siya, aw against na ko niya. Pero karun ganahan ko sa iya plans for the judiciary labi na sa iya plans of expansion to Mindanao.
    The right answer would have been was:

    "Not yellow"


    Bias diay kang MDS bradier. Wala natay argument diha.

    Mag hair-splitting nata anang word nga "bogo" bradier.. Kay subjective kaayo na.. Maong I'd rather not argue.

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