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Originally Posted by disk88 You have to realize na trabaho pud ni sa police and naay EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION ang DOJ sa criminal cases (subject to ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    You have to realize na trabaho pud ni sa police and naay EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION ang DOJ sa criminal cases (subject to special laws of course). And that limited kaayo ila budget to go after ALL forms of abuses. So siyempre, kailangan sila mu specialize and mu focus sa katung cases not handled by other government instrumentalities.

    You also have to know na imo gibasa kay sa Constitution na, and that they are free to set IRRs and mandates as long as dili kontra sa Constitution. With that, ilang gi-adopt as a mandate ang katu sa UN.

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    unsay not handled? you mean kung ang criminal or u say accused do not have the right sa law? walay sila right to file a case or just simply dili sila mo file kay naay CHR mo handle saila??...

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    every citizen sa pilipins nay right mga criminal o dili o biktim...ang point sa govt IS ngano sa criminal ra sila ga butak2 ngano sa uban ga hilom ra...gets nimo o dili?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    You have to realize na trabaho pud ni sa police and naay EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION ang DOJ sa criminal cases (subject to special laws of course). And that limited kaayo ila budget to go after ALL forms of abuses. So siyempre, kailangan sila mu specialize and mu focus sa katung cases not handled by other government instrumentalities.

    You also have to know na imo gibasa kay sa Constitution na, and that they are free to set IRRs and mandates as long as dili kontra sa Constitution. With that, ilang gi-adopt as a mandate ang katu sa UN.

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    Unsa may nakabutang sa Constitution ug unsay nakabutang sa IRR para sa CHR bro?

    Also, abi kay limited budget so adto lang sila ug asa ang convenient nila?

    Unsa may mga high profile cases or unsa may record of resolution ani nila sa panahon ni noynoy? Tanawon daw nato bi..

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    Compare sa ninyo ang gibuhat sa CHR sauna ug karon..Now it mainly focuses on ousting this administration..
    Although trabaho pd na nila mag investigate sa mga naay Public authority, dli raman pd kana ilang trabaho, naa pa may Child rights, Gender Equality, Human trafficking, OFW Human rights,mass surveillance, kadtong mga *** video sauna human rights pd to..haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by ondoy View Post
    unsay not handled? you mean kung ang criminal or u say accused do not have the right sa law? walay sila right to file a case or just simply dili sila mo file kay naay CHR mo handle saila??...

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    every citizen sa pilipins nay right mga criminal o dili o biktim...ang point sa govt IS ngano sa criminal ra sila ga butak2 ngano sa uban ga hilom ra...gets nimo o dili?
    Ahh, wa ka ka.gets sir. Ako pasabot is, since ang DOJ already has exclusive jurisdiction over those criminal offenses, AND tungod kay limited kaayo ang budget sa CHR, they (CHR) prefer to focus on those victims of government abuse. This is backed by their mandate.

    Yes, tanan tao whether ACCUSED or not kay naay rights. But, mu make sense pud na mu focus ang CHR sa katung offenses where the government, through the DOJ, refuses to prosecute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Unsa may nakabutang sa Constitution ug unsay nakabutang sa IRR para sa CHR bro?

    Also, abi kay limited budget so adto lang sila ug asa ang convenient nila?

    Unsa may mga high profile cases or unsa may record of resolution ani nila sa panahon ni noynoy? Tanawon daw nato bi..
    Na mention nana sa link ang summary sa naka butang sa ila mandate bro.

    Do you really think convenient na ang mugukod sila sa government offenders? It is WAY easier to prosecute a non-government offender. Ang victims of ordinary offenders daghan kaayo daganan. Makadagan gani sila to the DOJ Secretary. Ang victims of government abuses walay lain daganan kung dili sila ka afford ug maayo na lawyer.

    Very quick google:

    CHR probes violent Kidapawan dispersal | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
    Philippines launches world’s first national human rights investigation into 50 big polluters | Greenpeace International
    http://198.23.173.74/chr/wp-content/...PORT-FINAL.pdf

    Dili trabaho nila ang mu resolve ug cases sir ha.

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    ang trabahu sa CHR kai mo sakai2 sa sensationalize nga issues..unya mo putak...mao ra....

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    Na mention nana sa link ang summary sa naka butang sa ila mandate bro.

    Do you really think convenient na ang mugukod sila sa government offenders? It is WAY easier to prosecute a non-government offender. Ang victims of ordinary offenders daghan kaayo daganan. Makadagan gani sila to the DOJ Secretary. Ang victims of government abuses walay lain daganan kung dili sila ka afford ug maayo na lawyer.

    Very quick google:

    CHR probes violent Kidapawan dispersal | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
    Philippines launches world’s first national human rights investigation into 50 big polluters | Greenpeace International
    http://198.23.173.74/chr/wp-content/...PORT-FINAL.pdf

    Dili trabaho nila ang mu resolve ug cases sir ha.
    I qualify nang imong "walay laing daganan" bro, kay naay daghan nga institution ang kadangpan ang kadtong offended sa government employees..

    Most if not all of them still needs lawyers though.

    Kung ang police gi kulata ka or nakasala nimo pwede kaayo ka moadto gihapon ug laing police or magpalaban sa inyong barangay..

    I qualify nag tarong.. kay I know you read things.. pero klaroha lang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    Na mention nana sa link ang summary sa naka butang sa ila mandate bro.

    Do you really think convenient na ang mugukod sila sa government offenders? It is WAY easier to prosecute a non-government offender. Ang victims of ordinary offenders daghan kaayo daganan. Makadagan gani sila to the DOJ Secretary. Ang victims of government abuses walay lain daganan kung dili sila ka afford ug maayo na lawyer.

    Very quick google:

    CHR probes violent Kidapawan dispersal | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
    Philippines launches world’s first national human rights investigation into 50 big polluters | Greenpeace International
    http://198.23.173.74/chr/wp-content/...PORT-FINAL.pdf

    Dili trabaho nila ang mu resolve ug cases sir ha.
    By the way.. ikaw tong sigeg troll diri? klarohon lang sa nato kay kapoy raba kaayo mo tubay adtong tawhana.. Basin lami kaayo atong discussion unya mokalit lang pud ug tuliklik ang imong reasoning labi nag dili ka makaconvince sa mga members diri..

    Klarohay lang ta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    I qualify nang imong "walay laing daganan" bro, kay naay daghan nga institution ang kadangpan ang kadtong offended sa government employees..

    Most if not all of them still needs lawyers though.

    Kung ang police gi kulata ka or nakasala nimo pwede kaayo ka moadto gihapon ug laing police or magpalaban sa inyong barangay..

    I qualify nag tarong.. kay I know you read things.. pero klaroha lang.
    If ang source sa abuse kay ang government, most likely the DOJ will not push for its prosecution. And that is within its power. Only exception is when there is grave abuse of discretion blah blah blah Rules of Court. Lacking proof of that (which in rules of evidence is nearly impossible to prove if wala kay resources), dili jud na ma prosecute imo case. Wala juy public attorney makaduol nimo kay ipa inhibit na tanan.

    Sa imo example, pwede siya muduol ug lain police, yes. But kutob rana blotter kay dili man ang police ang mu prosecute, ang prosecutor man, which is under the DOJ. So back to square one ka. Ang CHR, makatabang na nimo sa ing.ana na situation. Maka provide sila ug lawyer, free of charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    I qualify nang imong "walay laing daganan" bro, kay naay daghan nga institution ang kadangpan ang kadtong offended sa government employees..

    Most if not all of them still needs lawyers though.

    Kung ang police gi kulata ka or nakasala nimo pwede kaayo ka moadto gihapon ug laing police or magpalaban sa inyong barangay..

    I qualify nag tarong.. kay I know you read things.. pero klaroha lang.

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    By the way.. ikaw tong sigeg troll diri? klarohon lang sa nato kay kapoy raba kaayo mo tubay adtong tawhana.. Basin lami kaayo atong discussion unya mokalit lang pud ug tuliklik ang imong reasoning labi nag dili ka makaconvince sa mga members diri..

    Klarohay lang ta.
    Troll? Ay kog ingna padung ad hominem imo arguments.. Klaruhon lang sad natu kay way gamit if ing.ana diay. Based on actual practices ni ako gipangyawit, walay trolling intawn ngari. Klarohay lang sad ta.

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    Bai @disk88

    Klahoray lang ta para naa tay basihan ha.

    Wikipedia ni pero kung gusto kag lain source nahala.. pero i quote nako diri ang wiki..


    The Commission on Human Rights is an independent office created under the 1987 Constitution of the Philippines, with the primary function of investigating all forms of human rights violations involving civil and political rights in the Philippines.[2]

    The Commission is composed of a Chairperson and four members. Commissioners hold a term of office of seven years without reappointment. The Philippine Constitution requires that a majority of the Commission’s members must be lawyers.

    As a National Human Rights Institution, the Commission enjoys Status A[3] accreditation by the International Coordinating Committee of National Institutions for the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights.

    History[edit]
    After the ratification of the 1987 Philippine Constitution on 2 February 1987, which provides for the establishment of a Commission on Human Rights, President Corazon Aquino, signed Executive Order No. 163 on 5 May 1987, creating the Commission on Human Rights and abolished the Presidential Committee on Human Rights. The Commission was created as an independent office mandated to investigate complaints of human rights violations, promote the protection of, respect for and the enhancements of the people's human rights including civil and political rights.


    Core Mandates and Functions[edit]
    The Commission derives its mandates from the Constitution, relevant domestic laws, and the eight core International Human Rights Instruments to which the Philippines is a State Party, as well as other United Nations Human Rights Conventions newly enforced.

    Under Section 18, Article XIII of the Philippine Constitution, the Commission's sole duty is to protect the civil and political rights of citizens in the Philippines.

    Based on the Philippine Constitution, the Commission has a broad mandate, which can be categorized into three major functional areas:

    Human Rights Protection - Investigation and case management of complaints of violations, including all the powers and services in aid of investigation, of civil and political rights as well as economic, social, and cultural rights. Such powers and services include: citing for contempt for violations of its rules of procedure; legal aid and counseling; visitorial powers over jails and detention facilities; application of forensic techniques in aid of investigation; witness protection; and, financial assistance to victims[4]
    Human Rights Promotion, which includes the wide range of strategies for policy, advocacy, promotion, social mobilization, education, training, public information, communication, research, networking and linkages[4]
    Human Rights Policy Advisory derived from monitoring government’s compliance with the treaty obligations that the Philippines has acceded to: International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), Convention Against Torture and Other Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT), Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW), Convention Against Racial Discrimination (CERD), Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), Convention on the Protection of Migrant Workers and their Families (CMW); Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD). This also includes the entire aspect of monitoring and evaluating the performance of the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary to translate international human rights standards into national policies, laws, and practice.[4]
    The Supreme Court of the Philippines, in Carińo v. Commission on Human Rights, 204 SCRA 483 (1991), declared that the Commission did not possess the power of adjudication, and emphasized that its functions were primarily investigatory.[5]

    The Commission on Human Rights have the following powers and functions:

    Investigate, on its own or on complaint by any party, all forms of human rights violations involving civil and political rights
    Adopt its operational guidelines and rules of procedure, and cite for contempt for violations thereof in accordance with the Rules of Court
    Provide appropriate legal measures for the protection of human rights of all persons within the Philippines, as well as Filipinos residing abroad, and provide for preventive measures and legal aid services to the under-privileged whose human rights have been violated or need protection
    Exercise visitorial powers over jails, prisons, or detention facilities
    Establish a continuing program of research, education, and information to enhance respect for the primacy of human rights
    Recommend to Congress effective measures to promote human rights and to provide for compensation to victims of violations of human rights, or their families;
    Monitor the Philippine Government's compliance with international treaty obligations on human rights
    Grant immunity from prosecution to any person whose testimony or whose possession of documents or other evidence is necessary or convenient to determine the truth in any investigation conducted by it or under its authority;
    Request the assistance of any department, bureau, office, or agency in the performance of its functions
    Appoint its officers and employees in accordance with law
    Perform such other duties and functions as may be provided by law[6]

    Murag wala gyud koy nabasa diha nga mandate imong gi ingon.. basin tua sa Executive Order ni Cory Aquino..

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    Quote Originally Posted by disk88 View Post
    If ang source sa abuse kay ang government, most likely the DOJ will not push for its prosecution. And that is within its power. Only exception is when there is grave abuse of discretion blah blah blah Rules of Court. Lacking proof of that (which in rules of evidence is nearly impossible to prove if wala kay resources), dili jud na ma prosecute imo case. Wala juy public attorney makaduol nimo kay ipa inhibit na tanan.

    Sa imo example, pwede siya muduol ug lain police, yes. But kutob rana blotter kay dili man ang police ang mu prosecute, ang prosecutor man, which is under the DOJ. So back to square one ka. Ang CHR, makatabang na nimo sa ing.ana na situation. Maka provide sila ug lawyer, free of charge.

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    Troll? Ay kog ingna padung ad hominem imo arguments.. Klaruhon lang sad natu kay way gamit if ing.ana diay. Based on actual practices ni ako gipangyawit, walay trolling intawn ngari. Klarohay lang sad ta.
    Diha palang daan bro... Wala natay istoryahan..

    You derived your conclusion from your own misinterpretation..

    Tell me, kung nahitabo pa ni sa panahon ni noynoy ang gipagamyan ang ilang budget to 1k, mo register kaha ka dinhi para i latag ang imong argument regarding CHR?

    Klarohay lang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Bai @disk88

    Klahoray lang ta para naa tay basihan ha.

    Wikipedia ni pero kung gusto kag lain source nahala.. pero i quote nako diri ang wiki..




    Murag wala gyud koy nabasa diha nga mandate imong gi ingon.. basin tua sa Executive Order ni Cory Aquino..

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    Diha palang daan bro... Wala natay istoryahan..

    You derived your conclusion from your own misinterpretation..

    Tell me, kung nahitabo pa ni sa panahon ni noynoy ang gipagamyan ang ilang budget to 1k, mo register kaha ka dinhi para i latag ang imong argument regarding CHR?

    Klarohay lang.
    Even without considering the Constitutional Mandate and not minding the Paris principles, a quick look at the 2015 annual report clearly shows that they have already been doing those things. Ang nakita lang gud nimo karun is ang gi.sensationalize sa media ONLY.

    Looking at legislative intent (Gascon was one of the men who drafted the new Constitution by the way), makita jud nimo na framework sa UN ila gisunod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarter View Post
    Bai @disk88

    Klahoray lang ta para naa tay basihan ha.

    Wikipedia ni pero kung gusto kag lain source nahala.. pero i quote nako diri ang wiki..




    Murag wala gyud koy nabasa diha nga mandate imong gi ingon.. basin tua sa Executive Order ni Cory Aquino..

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    Diha palang daan bro... Wala natay istoryahan..

    You derived your conclusion from your own misinterpretation..

    Tell me, kung nahitabo pa ni sa panahon ni noynoy ang gipagamyan ang ilang budget to 1k, mo register kaha ka dinhi para i latag ang imong argument regarding CHR?

    Klarohay lang.
    Misinterpretation? That is a fact. Unsai misinterpretation ana sir? Klarohay lang ta. Dili ni about political parties, stop trying to bring that up. Which Rule of Court or Rule on Evidence ako na misinterpret? Dili ba common sense?

    Ingna kuno ko, aside sa Constitution, which is very very open to interpretation, unsa pay lain source nimo? Basin ikaw naka misinterpret.

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