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those marines are human too,,didn't you heard the news?how come i never heard those human rights advocates protesting the act than by MILF..are they afraid?..tsk ...

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    those marines are human too,,didn't you heard the news?how come i never heard those human rights advocates protesting the act than by MILF..are they afraid?..tsk tsk I've seen your true color,,how about if those were rebels?lots of you guys would go to the street to protest..tsk tsk..those marines sacrifice a lot just to bring peace and order..they leave their families behind,just to defend our beloved country..common show us that really exist..

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    these human rights activists should prove to the public that NONE of them tolerate the inhumane acts done by these islamic rebels. if their primary aim indeed is targeted into human rights, then they obviously has to start advocating for an all-out war. what are they waiting for?

    december?

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    I'm starting to believe that the human rights groups only exist when the victim is an ordinary citizen. Ordinary citizen in their own definition. I don't think these human rights advocates are fair in not showing some force after the incident with the Marines. If Jonas Burgos is still alive, then he should be thankful the human rights advocates, as well as the leftist solons support the search for him. Lucky Jonas and other missing NPAs, some of whom are students from the biggest state university.

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    They are not interested since those beheaded victims are soldiers. Maybe they would be more interested if those beheaded captives are rebels or terrorists. They would be shouting at the streets and asking for justice on these people as soon as they heard the news.

    I wouldn't be surprised if these militant groups have links with those rebels, separatists and terrorists. This just simply shows they are not really concerned on the issue of not justifiable killings. They have a myopic view on human rights violation.

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    [color=red][b]hahahahaha... utro sab nang mga grupoha na... mao nang daghan mag-abusar tungod ana nila...
    human rights - human rights...
    aha naman mo manga HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST!!!
    14 ka sundalo namatay unya 10 gputlan pa jud ug ULO!
    unya makatarungan na?!

    lami kaayo paminawon ang rason ani nila, unsa nila pag-explain ani... ug kung aha sila na side..

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    Quote Originally Posted by baron
    They are not interested since those beheaded victims are soldiers. Maybe they would be more interested if those beheaded captives are rebels or terrorists. They would be shouting at the streets and asking for justice on these people as soon as they heard the news.

    I wouldn't be surprised if these militant groups have links with those rebels, separatists and terrorists. This just simply shows they are not really concerned on the issue of not justifiable killings. They have a myopic view on human rights violation.
    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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    first of all, please acquaint yourselves with the Philippine Constitution's Bill of Rights, as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Government of the Philippines as one of its signatories. it would really help if you also review the history of 'human rights' and what it is all about.

    the modern idea of the legal, as well as moral weight of human rights came about as a response to the immense destruction and the palpable loss of human life in World War II. the perpetrators, of course, were the warring states bent on defeating each other by all means possible.

    after WWII, the Declaration was made, as well as the international 'rules of war', also known as the Geneva Conventions, as a measure to prevent and control the grave abuses that have been witnessed in the past war. this was still targeted to states. and the signatories, as a consequence, were states.

    as one of the signatories of the Declaration, the State (of the Philippines) is duty-bound to legislate and implement this international law. as it is, we have already incorporated it in the Bill of Rights in the Philippine Constitution. an agency has been set up, the Commission of Human Rights, to accommodate any complaints with regards to this matter.

    so it appears now that technically, a human rights violation, in legal terms is a violation of the Bill of Rights by the State, (in this case, the Philippine government). since either MILF or Abu Sayaff are not arms of the state, whatever crimes that they do cannot technically be considered, in legal terms, human rights violations. however, they are to be considered as heinous crimes, punishable under Philippine laws, since the law still considers them as under it's jurisdiction.

    why is this so?

    it is because the State, possessing the greatest power in a country, is in the greatest position to violate and/or enact these basic rights. yet it is an indisputable fact that the State, who is suppose to safeguard it, is the number one violator of these rights, especially through its armed components.

    when the State violates the Bill of Rights, being a signatory of international law and compelled by local laws to implement the protection of human rights, this should be treated as something more barbaric than thugs who know no laws, much less international law beheading soldiers.

    now, does this absolve them from this barbaric act? not even close.

    even if either group (especially the MILF which considers itself a separate governmental entity from the GRP) is not a signatory of the international laws mentioned above, the responsibility is still theirs. to even consider their pronouncement that they are indeed a separate governmental entity, places even more weight on their shoulders because they are expected to follow international laws and agreements, especially something as crucial as the Declaration of Human Rights and the articles in the Geneva Conventions.

    the moral implication, of course, is that these crimes are equal with that of the violations perpetrated by the state. considerations are not suppose and should never be made just because these were perpetrated by armed secessionist groups, or even terrorist bandits. however, these violations should be taken into context according to who commits them.
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    Sakto gyud.

    Kay kung ang mga rebelde gipang-patay sa mga Marines. Hagbay na sila nag-rally sa dalan.

    For me, kanang mga human rights activist is just only a one-sided ra sila.

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    Bisag lang man unta magpakita sila sa TV, nga dako ilang pag-dismaya sa mga gibuhat sa ASG ug MILF
    pero ni nawong anang mga tawhana wa jud migawas...

    Im from Mindanao, ang I know nga naay nay mga hukos pukos ang MILF ug ABUSOYUP didto sa amoa..
    some members anang grupo is from MILF or MNLF na wala ganahi sa patakaran.. ang worst pa jud
    most of them are relatives.. just listen how their spokeperson spoke to media when they are interviewed...
    they are protectingm each other...plain in simple.

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    Some of these militants are in front of the Batasang Pambansa right now, alleging all those killings that the government purportedly committed. But they have not questioned the cruel killings that recently happened to our soldiers.

    I wonder what are the reasons of these people for asking justice for the people that they said were killed. Yet take for granted the soldiers who have sacrificed their life just to defend the people and the State.

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