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How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?


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These lockdowns highlight the serious flaw in the idea of a nanny state (i.e. a state that takes care of the people, instead of people ...

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    These lockdowns highlight the serious flaw in the idea of a nanny state (i.e. a state that takes care of the people, instead of people taking care of themselves). Just take a look at the chaos and deficits surrounding aid to the poor. Do you seriously want that to be the state of affairs in our country? Life wasn't supposed to be easy. You have to scratch and claw and make good decisions to get to where you want to be. How come people think that the right government with the right messianic leader will get them out of poverty?

    The role of the government, when it comes to addressing poverty, should be to open up market opportunities as wide as possible and to enable everyone to participate in it as free as possible. Nobody can get you out of poverty except yourselves. Take responsibility of your own lives. Don't wait for someone else to change your fate. We've had good and bad politicians that come and go; the successful ones in our country continue to thrive in spite of who is in charge of our government. The poor ones continue to hope for a messiah.

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    These lockdowns highlight the serious flaw in the idea of a nanny state (i.e. a state that takes care of the people, instead of people taking care of themselves). Just take a look at the chaos and deficits surrounding aid to the poor. Do you seriously want that to be the state of affairs in our country? Life wasn't supposed to be easy. You have to scratch and claw and make good decisions to get to where you want to be. How come people think that the right government with the right messianic leader will get them out of poverty?
    I see a lot of people commenting that the extension is needed.
    I also see many contrarian claims.
    What I haven't seen is that these same people don't seem to get that their lives are never going back to normal.
    Our lives before 2020 is not coming back and we had better reflect on that now rather than being walled in for too long by the government's faux pas.

    How can a working adult not be bothered at the thought of someone's company might not survive paying overheads without earning. And it's not just that, many mid-tier companies will follow suit and majority of these mid-tier companies are outsourced components from foreign parent corporations. Our dear country's "economy" (if you'd call it that way) relies heavily on this and let it be known that those companies will not be bailed out once the stocks are too fvcked beyond help. It's like let's all be poor, jobless and bankrupt and allow the government to supply our daily needs including the internet. Yes, that is equality in the literal sense of the word but I doubt filipinos are going to get by without thinking of consuming the common goods.

    The chimping out is just around the corner. Once the low-income worker's resources are near depleted, we will see blood on the ground. Just sayin' ya know.

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    Life will never get back to normal if there's no normal life to get back to. There will come a time when lockdowns become more harmful than the virus and people would rather choose to take their risks with the virus than stay home and starve to death.

    This pandemic is unprecedented in Philippine history in terms of scope and severity kuno (1-2% mortality or even less), and everything the government is trying is a first-time. It would therefore be wise for our government to proceed with flexibility and circumspect and not be arrogant and blame their failures on the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownie View Post
    The chimping out is just around the corner. Once the low-income worker's resources are near depleted, we will see blood on the ground. Just sayin' ya know.
    prehas atong nahitabo sa venezuela. taas ang possibility nga mahitabo gyd ni. i've been seeing decline over the past few days sa mga taw nga mangadtog grocery. dli na tag-as ang linya like atong first wk sa ECQ. good luck na lang.

    dli man ideal ang lockdown ky mayabo ang economiya sa isa ka nasud. d na magtuyok ang kwrta. but then, given the nature sa pinoys nga way disiplina, medyo nkasabot ko sa approach nga pugsanay nlng gyd nga i-control ang lihok sa mga taw in an attempt to flatten the curve. mayabo gyd ning pinas kadugayan ba.

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    poverty is the new normal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitch22 View Post
    Life will never get back to normal if there's no normal life to get back to. There will come a time when lockdowns become more harmful than the virus and people would rather choose to take their risks with the virus than stay home and starve to death.

    This pandemic is unprecedented in Philippine history in terms of scope and severity kuno (1-2% mortality or even less), and everything the government is trying is a first-time. It would therefore be wise for our government to proceed with flexibility and circumspect and not be arrogant and blame their failures on the people.
    Quote Originally Posted by gibra'al View Post
    prehas atong nahitabo sa venezuela. taas ang possibility nga mahitabo gyd ni. i've been seeing decline over the past few days sa mga taw nga mangadtog grocery. dli na tag-as ang linya like atong first wk sa ECQ. good luck na lang.

    dli man ideal ang lockdown ky mayabo ang economiya sa isa ka nasud. d na magtuyok ang kwrta. but then, given the nature sa pinoys nga way disiplina, medyo nkasabot ko sa approach nga pugsanay nlng gyd nga i-control ang lihok sa mga taw in an attempt to flatten the curve. mayabo gyd ning pinas kadugayan ba.
    Both you guys have great points. The only concern is the validity of the actual virulence of the virus that espouses the global economy collapse.

    • When Italy & Spain employed forensic medical experts, the death rate changed and now eyeing to slowly open back in May.
    • Sweden doesn't give a damn yet they aren't hit as hard as the former two, not even close.
    • Germany is only doing anti-body testing and resumed operations for businesses while encouraging everyone to wear masks, death rate looked pretty normal.
    • All Nordic countries are on lockdown, but their lockdown definition is entirely different than ours—they only closed their borders.
    • Hungary went full totalitarian but they didn't shut down their economy. Daily life remains normal.
    • Japan requests all citizen to be vigilant, no lockdown because their constitution says the gov't has no control over its people.
    • South Korea, no economic shutdown, rapid testing everyone even with high false positive rate, reopens school and churches.
    • Aus & NZ have a very European response and their society are unfazed.

    Then you have ASEAN nations where only the Philippines (105m pop) and Indonesia (265m pop) are being diluted by this so-called pandemic. The only two Asian countries who are willing to crumble its own economy in order to prove something to world. Crab mentality is full on display and citizens even clap to the abuse of police power. smh.

    And of course, the US, 49k deaths. Nobody knows how and why but everyone including the Yanks themselves are starting to doubt the numbers posted by the TV and facebook. That is as much as Madison Square Garden can accommodate in any given concert, yet not a single corpse in sight. Even NY State funerals are wondering why their operations are halted specially if you look at the rising death rate the media is recording. If anything, funeral homes should be the busiest right now, however, that's not the case there. And then their unemployment soared to 29 million in under one month.

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    It's not about Phillipines only, but about each country in particular. The problem is that the countries are poor is lack (from economic point) lack of means of production, so the only way is to develop stable state institutions (politics, protection of private property, etc.) and attract investment. The main thing is that the state does not fall into the trap of average income.

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