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Originally Posted by PebblesandKisses What I personally meant about "no rules" is the current set of regulations and principles as how a rule is defined ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PebblesandKisses View Post
    What I personally meant about "no rules" is the current set of regulations and principles as how a rule is defined generally. The 10 commandments is not a higher form of rules, IT is the DIVINE RULE. Its a foundation of christianity. For me, its something that you dont always explicitly check for yourself when you become born-again in Christ because OBEDIENCE comes naturally from a Spirit-filled heart. A spirit-filled person walks in God's path (far from the path breaking the commandment) and always seeks His interests.
    Ok that would be great this should follow Christ principle of fullfilling the law.
    "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
    Matthew 22
    This is basically the summary of the ten commandments the 1st to the 4th commandment is to love God while the 5th to 10th is to love thy neighbor as yourself.

    Talking about the 10 commandments you believe observing the law comes naturally when you are born again, does that include all the ten commandments or only nine of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoner View Post
    Ok that would be great this should follow Christ principle of fullfilling the law.
    "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
    Matthew 22
    This is basically the summary of the ten commandments the 1st to the 4th commandment is to love God while the 5th to 10th is to love thy neighbor as yourself.

    Talking about the 10 commandments you believe observing the law comes naturally when you are born again, does that include all the ten commandments or only nine of them?
    if ur reading bible God says if you love me do my commandments unsa man sugo sa Dios unsa man iya mga commandments unsa man ang naa sa iyang pulong in acts says repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin... unsa manang word na repent means dba basulan means kung magbasal ka dli na nmo usbon ang dautan nimong buhat dats mean born again

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    Quote Originally Posted by geremarv View Post
    if ur reading bible God says if you love me do my commandments unsa man sugo sa Dios unsa man iya mga commandments unsa man ang naa sa iyang pulong in acts says repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin... unsa manang word na repent means dba basulan means kung magbasal ka dli na nmo usbon ang dautan nimong buhat dats mean born again
    Ok that's good. "Repent and be baptized".
    So now unsaon pagkahibaw nga sala imong gi buhat.
    naay definition sa bible unsa na ang sala.

    "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
    1 John 3:4

    So when we say we keep the commandments naturally do we keep all of the 10 commandments. Do we really keep all of them or just some of them? including the 4th commandment?
    You have mentioned the 10 commandments is the foundation for a Christian. Keeping them all should be a good foundation. So the opposite is true if we don't keep all of them your foundation would be established on sandy ground.

    "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
    James 2:10

    Yes God is the God of grace and accepts our sincere repentance but what are we repenting from? diba from sin which is the transgression of the law? Or do you have your own standard?

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    icebreaker sa ta aron dili init kaayo..


    Anak: Ma, unsa man ng 10 commandments?
    Mama: Mao na'y napulo ka Sugo sa atong Ginoo Dong.
    Anak: Ah, Labaw pa diay kas Ginoo ma?
    Mama: Ngano nakaingon man ka dong?
    Anak: Ang sa Ginoo kay Napulo ra man iyang Sugo unya di pa jud matuman tanan ..Ang imo ma kay perteng daghana mabunalan pa tag dili matuman..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoner View Post
    Ok that's good. "Repent and be baptized".
    So now unsaon pagkahibaw nga sala imong gi buhat.
    naay definition sa bible unsa na ang sala.

    "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
    1 John 3:4

    So when we say we keep the commandments naturally do we keep all of the 10 commandments. Do we really keep all of them or just some of them? including the 4th commandment?
    You have mentioned the 10 commandments is the foundation for a Christian. Keeping them all should be a good foundation. So the opposite is true if we don't keep all of them your foundation would be established on sandy ground.

    "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
    James 2:10

    Yes God is the God of grace and accepts our sincere repentance but what are we repenting from? diba from sin which is the transgression of the law? Or do you have your own standard?
    im not saying to be perfect because were just human but by the grace of the Lord ug tabang sa iyang balaang spirito we can be sinless ..thats why repent ky misken unsa kagamay sa sala still a sala...yes sakto james 2:10 kinahanglan mo follow ta sa sugo sa Ginoo if mo supak ta miskin usa guilty nata...mao na sa ako naingon na misken unsa ka gamay sa sala if sala sala gyud na....yes 10 commandments is summarizing ug 2 love God ug higugmaa ang imong isig katao sama sa paghigugma nimo sa imong kaugalingon...but the question how? unsaon nimo paghigugma ang Dios na labaw sa tanan ug unsaon nimo paghigugma ang imo isig ka tao? mao na sa whole chapter sa exudos 20.... kamo nalang basa unsa na sa exudos 20 ky basun mo sulti ko inyo ko kontrahon..it was the word of God..... again wlay vinial nor imortal sin if sala sala gyud need repentance and ask forgiveness and confess your sin not to anyone else but to Jesus
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    Quote Originally Posted by geremarv View Post
    im not saying to be perfect because were just human but by the grace of the Lord ug tabang sa iyang balaang spirito we can be sinless ..thats why repent ky misken unsa kagamay sa sala still a sala...yes sakto james 2:10 kinahanglan mo follow ta sa sugo sa Ginoo if mo supak ta miskin usa guilty nata...mao na sa ako naingon na misken unsa ka gamay sa sala if sala sala gyud na....yes 10 commandments is summarizing ug 2 love God ug higugmaa ang imong isig katao sama sa paghigugma nimo sa imong kaugalingon...but the question how? unsaon nimo paghigugma ang Dios na labaw sa tanan ug unsaon nimo paghigugma ang imo isig ka tao? mao na sa whole chapter sa exudos 20.... kamo nalang basa unsa na sa exudos 20 ky basun mo sulti ko inyo ko kontrahon..it was the word of God..... again wlay vinial nor imortal sin if sala sala gyud need repentance and ask forgiveness and confess your sin not to anyone else but to Jesus
    I believe that you misunderstood on some points.
    Let me say we are not discussing about bragging who is better than the other or who is doing the commandments better than the other no not at all.
    I commend you for not getting to this level of discussion.
    We all agree that even breaking 1 of the 10 commandments we break them all based on 1 John 3:4.
    However did we notice what is commonly left out on the 10 of the commandments? I gave you a hint that it was the 4th commandment although not all christian groups had left out this commandment but mostly.

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    We don't follow the Mosaic Law. Rom.7:1-4

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoner View Post
    I believe that you misunderstood on some points.
    Let me say we are not discussing about bragging who is better than the other or who is doing the commandments better than the other no not at all.
    I commend you for not getting to this level of discussion.
    We all agree that even breaking 1 of the 10 commandments we break them all based on 1 John 3:4.
    However did we notice what is commonly left out on the 10 of the commandments? I gave you a hint that it was the 4th commandment although not all christian groups had left out this commandment but mostly.
    unsa mana imo 4th commandments na gi cge nimo ug hisgot isulti na brod busin lahi na imo boot pasabot na 4 commandments..lisod man sad lahi akong pasabot lahi sad ang imo so dli gyud ta magkasinabot ana.....dba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geremarv View Post
    unsa mana imo 4th commandments na gi cge nimo ug hisgot isulti na brod busin lahi na imo boot pasabot na 4 commandments..lisod man sad lahi akong pasabot lahi sad ang imo so dli gyud ta magkasinabot ana.....dba?
    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
    Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)

    Question why most us we still keep the commandments except for this? Why most Christians keep them? because they are still binding for us, why must we not steal?, why must we not Murder?Commit adultery? its because the law is still binding. If were talking about the new testament what Christ was teaching was basically the same thing but he shed out new light on how to fulfill the law. To love God with all your strength and mind is to worship God only, do not worship idols and graven images, do not take Gods name in vain, to Remember his Sabbath the memorial of his Creation, To love our neighbor as ourselves is do not steal from your neighbor, do not covet, honor our father and mother ect..
    So why left out the 4th commandment? here is the answer
    Because the catholic changed the sabbath to Sunday
    "On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. —Schaff’s History of the Christian Church, vol. III, chap. 75.

    This was prophesized in Daniel that the anti-christ will change times and law and what is both a law and time? The Sabbath law.
    "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
    Daniel 7:25
    We ought to obey God rather than the man (catholic church, man made laws that contradict God's law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonBlownapart View Post
    We don't follow the Mosaic Law. Rom.7:1-4
    ni follow man gihapon cguro ta bai..gitagaan lang og way of fulfillment ang balaod through Lord Jesus..

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