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Originally Posted by Kenshiro Yes you can through Christ we can do all things. We cannot keep it by ourselves but by our complete submission ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    Yes you can through Christ we can do all things. We cannot keep it by ourselves but by our complete submission to Christ we can ultimately through his power and righteousness be able to keep the commandments.

    "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

    This is where you have misunderstood the Gospel.
    We are not earning our salvation by keeping the commandments but we keep the commandments because we are saved.

    "If you love me keep my commandments"

    Does being saved by grace give us the license to profane God's commandments? Does God desire obedience or disobedience to his commandments?

    Romans 6:15-16
    What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    To sin by biblical definition is the transgression of the law which leads to death while obedience leads to righteousness.
    We need the grace of Jesus otherwise we would be keeping the law in our own effort. Only through the grace of Jesus we can keep the law.
    Grace and Law are harmonized and compliment each other in the Gospel.

    John Wesley wrote:
    "There is, therefore, the closest
    connection that can be conceived, between the law and the gospel. On the one hand, the law
    continually makes way for, and points us to, the gospel; on the other, the gospel continually leads us
    to a more exact fulfilling of the law. The law, for instance, requires us to love God, to love our
    neighbor, to be meek, humble, or holy. We feel that we are not sufficient for these things; yea, that
    'with man this is impossible;' but we see a promise of God to give us that love, and to make us
    humble, meek, and holy: we lay hold of this gospel, of these glad tidings; it is done unto us
    according to our faith; and 'the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us,' through faith which is in
    Christ Jesus. . . .

    The law leads us to grace and grace leads us to keep the law.

    And that law my friend is the ten commandments of God the eternal law of God. Written by the very hand of God on stone to symbolized its permanence. Take note brother that the ten commandments was not written by any apostles or prophets but by God himself.
    Romans 3: 23
    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    In our own WAY, we cannot achieve salvation because we ALL fall short of the Kingdom of GOD, because we ALL sinned, The moment Adam and EVE eat the fruit, ALL have already ALLOW sin to come to ALL of Us. That's WHY the Only Way for us to be saved is through a SAVIOR. We cannot be saved without a savior so it doesn't make any sense why we need a savior if we can avoid sin.


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    Kinsa ninyo diri, kung mamatay na karon, makasiguro na ang inyong kalag padulong sa langit?

    Ngano man?

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    Cebu gospel Church , tapad sa cebu doc

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    There is one statement that I don't agree.
    it doesn't make any sense why we need a savior if we can avoid sin.
    We all have sinned and need saviour for forgiveness but does grace prevents you to avoid sin?

    If your excuse is you willingly commit sin becuase you "cannot avoid sin" and need of a saviour then that is a false gospel.
    On the contrary Christ empowers us to avoid sin.

    There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
    1 Corinthians 10:13
    Jesus told Mary to "sin no more"

    Sin is exeedingly sinful that it requires blood and if we know that we shouldn't be sinning and still did then there is no more sacrifice.

    "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins."
    Heb 10:26

    God's grace is able to forgive our sins but our mindset should be towards avoiding sin not excusing ourselves to sin.
    Although I have sinned as well but we shouldn't enrouage everyone to sin be lax and reckless inviting temptation. This may apply to ourselves and other people and therefore help both.
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 01-16-2017 at 11:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Consultancy View Post
    Kinsa ninyo diri, kung mamatay na karon, makasiguro na ang inyong kalag padulong sa langit?

    Ngano man?
    kadtong gidawat si Hesus as their Lord and Savior even though they themselves think they are not worthy nga makaadto sa langit.

    Pero tungod sa gugma sa atong Ginoo para kanato, gihimo nang bayad ang pagpakamatay sa iyang anak nga kita unta ang silotan nga maadto sa impyerno.

    Gibuhat kani niya para lang makauban ta niya puhon sa langit ug mabalik ang relasyon nato sa Ginoo sugod karon samtang naa pa ta diri sa kalibutan the moment you accepted in your heart si Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    1 Corinthians 10:13
    Jesus told Mary to "sin no more"

    Sin is exeedingly sinful that it requires blood and if we know that we shouldn't be sinning and still did then there is no more sacrifice.
    1 Corinthians 10:13

    13 No temptation[a] has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted[b] beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,[c] he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

    Asa ka ana imung "Sin no More"? Wa na mentioned ang bibliya nga naay tawo nga WAY sala bisag isa. Si Kristo ra pero di man siya tawo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins."
    Heb 10:26

    God's grace is able to forgive our sins but our mindset should be towards avoiding sin not excusing ourselves to sin.
    Although I have sinned as well but we shouldn't enrouage everyone to sin be lax and reckless inviting temptation. This may apply to ourselves and other people and therefore help both.
    The verse mentioned about WILLINGNESS to SIN, it does Not mentioned that WE CANNOT sin.

    So since you Mentioned that God will make us NOT to commit Sin, But you accept that you have Sinned, Does that Mean you Dont Have GOD in you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rics zalved View Post
    kadtong gidawat si Hesus as their Lord and Savior even though they themselves think they are not worthy nga makaadto sa langit.

    Pero tungod sa gugma sa atong Ginoo para kanato, gihimo nang bayad ang pagpakamatay sa iyang anak nga kita unta ang silotan nga maadto sa impyerno.

    Gibuhat kani niya para lang makauban ta niya puhon sa langit ug mabalik ang relasyon nato sa Ginoo sugod karon samtang naa pa ta diri sa kalibutan the moment you accepted in your heart si Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
    How sure man ka Gidawat kas Ginoo? di ba ingun ang Bibliya nga DILI tanan tawo mu ingun ginoo ginoo Iya sa ginoo? unsaon man nimu pag prove nga di ka isa sa mga nag assume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luci_morningstar View Post
    How sure man ka Gidawat kas Ginoo? di ba ingun ang Bibliya nga DILI tanan tawo mu ingun ginoo ginoo Iya sa ginoo? unsaon man nimu pag prove nga di ka isa sa mga nag assume?
    ang gipoint ni Hesus diha kay ang mga hypocrites, they claim nga Jesus is their Lord and Savior pero wala nagbunga ug maayo ilang kinabuhi kay they dont surrender their life totally to God, ang ila gihapong gisunod ilang gusto

    the evidence of someone who is truly a disciple, a follower of Jesus, or a Christian is to look its fruits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rics zalved View Post
    ang gipoint ni Hesus diha kay ang mga hypocrites, they claim nga Jesus is their Lord and Savior pero wala nagbunga ug maayo ilang kinabuhi kay they dont surrender their life totally to God, ang ila gihapong gisunod ilang gusto

    the evidence of someone who is truly a disciple, a follower of Jesus, or a Christian is to look its fruits.
    Kinsay mu determine if Sakto imung fruits, ikaw ra ghapon?

    Kana mga hypocrites, kabalo ba diay na sila nga Hipokrito sila, kabalo na sila nga sayop sila?

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    Asa ka ana imung "Sin no More"? Wa na mentioned ang bibliya nga naay tawo nga WAY sala bisag isa. Si Kristo ra pero di man siya tawo.
    read John 8:11

    "She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

    The verse mentioned about WILLINGNESS to SIN, it does Not mentioned that WE CANNOT sin.

    So since you Mentioned that God will make us NOT to commit Sin, But you accept that you have Sinned, Does that Mean you Dont Have GOD in you?
    So sin is unavoidable? again that is not correct.
    read 1 Corinthians 10:13

    It is our choice God empowers us not be free from sin. But in the end its still our choice if we sin or not.

    The Bible teaches about mindset in dealing with sin. It teaches that its avoidable in 1 Corinthians 10:13 and Jesus teaches us to "sin no more" John 8:11. Again this implies willingness involves choice. Jesus did not tell Mary go and "you cannot sin anymore"

    So since you Mentioned that God will make us NOT to commit Sin, But you accept that you have Sinned, Does that Mean you Dont Have GOD in you?
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    yes I have but read carefully "after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins."
    There is a difference before and after receiving the knowledge of the truth. Are you accusing me of committing sin after I have receive the knowledge of the truth? Isn't that bit of judgemental?

    Jesus commands "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
    Jesus did not say "we are perfect" since that would be presumption but he gives us the correct mindset in living a sanctified life. "Be perfect" but not having a mindset of :"be not perfect" or sin is unavoidable since it clearly is not what the bible says and would create a good condition for excusing your sins. The other extreme would "we cannot sin" or "we have no sin" since that would be presumption and proud.
    Be ye perfect is a progressive way in your walk with Christ. This is cannot be the presumption "we cannot commit sin" or the false gospel "sin is unavoidable." because in the bible it clearly says sin is avoidable.

    Here's the thing if we are talking about our past then we all have sinned
    Looking forward Jesus teaches us to "sin no more" and paul teaches us that its avoidable.
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 01-17-2017 at 03:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luci_morningstar View Post
    Kinsay mu determine if Sakto imung fruits, ikaw ra ghapon?

    Kana mga hypocrites, kabalo ba diay na sila nga Hipokrito sila, kabalo na sila nga sayop sila?
    the people around will know it first kung naa bay nausab since you became born again or accepted Jesus

    you can assess yourself man sad if naa bay significant good changes sa imong kinabuhi since that moment or nagpaka-aron ingnon ka, or you have other motives etc

    and lastly, God knows your heart if you truly follows him or not.

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