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Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?


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@ marius , Sikat na bitaw kayo si Quiboloy karon, tungod sa dakung Pagtoo sa mga sumunsunod ni Quiboloy mao na daku kaayo ang ila ...

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    @marius, Sikat na bitaw kayo si Quiboloy karon, tungod sa dakung Pagtoo sa mga sumunsunod ni Quiboloy mao na daku kaayo ang ila pagsalig na siya usa ka sugo sa kahitas-an. . Sa karon na panahon halos tanan na tawo kung ato pangutan-on muingon gyud nagsalig ug nagtuo sa Ginoo, apan matud pa sa nahisulat na dili daw tanan nag tawag ug Ginoo makasulod sa ginharian sa langit matud pa. Sa ako paminaw uban sa Pagtuo , Pagsalig ubanan sa mga maayong buhat , basin pa mataas ang atong kahigayunan na maluwas inig abot sa tukmang panahon. .

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    sus kanindot rabas mga choir anang quiboloy, if duol pana ilaha simbahan mo attend jud ko kada domingo ba..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberal_Tears View Post
    so if ur not saying Good works is a separate requirements for salvation, the why are u against the idea of Faith alone can save us?

    if its Not (Faith => salvation), then its should be (Faith + works => salvation)

    which is it that u believed in?
    it's simple Sir, the doctrine "Faith Alone" is only applicable to adherents of the Christian faith specifically the Protestants/Evangelicals which directly contradicts another Christian doctrine about God being all merciful and just. see the irony yet?

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    We are saved by faith.
    but we need good works to show that we are saved.
    Its not only being saved but there also involves transformation of the Heart and character as a result.

    If you are saved nya cge ghapon og pangawat then your faith is dead,
    you either have pitiful split mind of contradictions which cannot stand,
    or you are just faking your salvation.

    Salvation is not only referred to one verse in Ephesians 2:8
    That is only one aspect of salvation
    Transformation of character and non conformity to this world is another aspect of Salvation which results in sanctification.

    And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
    Romans 12:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoner View Post
    We are saved by faith.
    but we need good works to show that we are saved.
    Its not only being saved but there also involves transformation of the Heart and character as a result.

    If you are saved nya cge ghapon og pangawat then your faith is dead,
    you either have pitiful split mind of contradictions which cannot stand,
    or you are just faking your salvation.

    Salvation is not only referred to one verse in Ephesians 2:8
    That is only one aspect of salvation
    Transformation of character and non conformity to this world is another aspect of Salvation which results in sanctification.

    And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
    Romans 12:2
    naa koy prime example ani daghan kaayo ni sa kanang fellowship sa simbahan.

    every sunday they go to church, they do fellowships. but during the fellowship when it's not time for prayers or whatever rituals they're doing, they get to chitchat, but not regular chitchat, they get together in a group and back bite some person. grabi ang pang libak. sad to say, i've seen this kind of behavior first hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    it's simple Sir, the doctrine "Faith Alone" is only applicable to adherents of the Christian faith specifically the Protestants/Evangelicals which directly contradicts another Christian doctrine about God being all merciful and just. see the irony yet?
    boss, in this aspect of faith plus work. i have to say that islam is better coz it's clear cut within their religion that you need to do things in order to be permitted to heaven. in terms of faith, you have to pray 5 times a day and always say to yourself that there is only one god. in terms of work, you have to fast during ramadan and perform Hajj even once in your lifetime, but the most important of all with regards to "work" is zakat, zakat doesn't relate to giving money, but the good things you've done to your fellow man. no mysteries there, right ?? every rule so to speak are laid out handsomely.

    best part boss, pwede 4 ka asawa hahahahahahhaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by marius View Post
    boss, in this aspect of faith plus work. i have to say that islam is better coz it's clear cut within their religion that you need to do things in order to be permitted to heaven. in terms of faith, you have to pray 5 times a day and always say to yourself that there is only one god. in terms of work, you have to fast during ramadan and perform Hajj even once in your lifetime, but the most important of all with regards to "work" is zakat, zakat doesn't relate to giving money, but the good things you've done to your fellow man. no mysteries there, right ?? every rule so to speak are laid out handsomely.

    best part boss, pwede 4 ka asawa hahahahahahhaha
    hahahaha katawaa nakos best part boss...on a serious note though, way mas hayahay pa kung wala kay religion gitohoan...hahahaha murag don't worry be happy ra..way huna-hunaon about salvation or eternal damnation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    hahahaha katawaa nakos best part boss...on a serious note though, way mas hayahay pa kung wala kay religion gitohoan...hahahaha murag don't worry be happy ra..way huna-hunaon about salvation or eternal damnation.
    Yeah. Not bound by any rules. Just your own judgement of right or wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marius View Post
    naa koy prime example ani daghan kaayo ni sa kanang fellowship sa simbahan.

    every sunday they go to church, they do fellowships. but during the fellowship when it's not time for prayers or whatever rituals they're doing, they get to chitchat, but not regular chitchat, they get together in a group and back bite some person. grabi ang pang libak. sad to say, i've seen this kind of behavior first hand.
    You can socialize but should not speak bad things to other people that is just plain judgemental.
    You can show the goodness of a person instead of his/her bad side.
    Cannot judge a person if you don't know him/her that well.

    You can't really judge a church by its members. The church is a hospital not a collection of perfect people.
    Would be safer if you look at the church by its doctrines if it lines up what the bible teaches.
    Specially to the laws in the bible.
    There are many members who does not adhere to the teachings of their own church.
    Being a member of a church does not equal automatic salvation you need to work out your own salvation.

    Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
    Philippians 2:12

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    wa pa diay mo maghuman dri?

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