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if we read posts from 100 to 200 pages back, we'll find same arguments and points raised....

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    if we read posts from 100 to 200 pages back, we'll find same arguments and points raised.

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    Early contributions to the development of evolutionary theory were made by Catholic scientists such as Jean-Baptiste Lamarck and the Augustinian monk Gregor Mendel. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces. Today, the Church supports theistic evolution(ism), also known as evolutionary creation, although Catholics are free not to believe in any part of evolutionary theory.

    "Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. " - Pope John Paul II
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    Theistic evolution is a slippery slope and runs in contradiction with the Biblical principle that Death is a result of Sin - with theistic evolution, death would've happened prior to man's "evolution".

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    Quote Originally Posted by RACER X View Post
    Theistic evolution is a slippery slope and runs in contradiction with the Biblical principle that Death is a result of Sin - with theistic evolution, death would've happened prior to man's "evolution".
    only when you take biblical creation accounts literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    only when you take biblical creation accounts literally.
    please explain

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    Quote Originally Posted by RACER X View Post
    please explain
    thought you understood what theistic evolution view is as you were quick to quote it as biblically opposing.
    if simply put, theistic evolution believes that God created us through a very lengthy process in accordance to the laws of nature which God has set. we call that process evolution. Figuratively, God created man from dust.
    ergo, there is no conflict between scientific and biblical creation accounts in Theistic Evolution.

    as for death being the result of sin, you don't have to take that literally. after all, buhi pa man ta tanan diba?
    honestly, I don't see how theistic evolution either relate or contradict to "the wages of sin is death" biblical teaching when theistic evolution revolves only on the creation subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    thought you understood what theistic evolution view is as you were quick to quote it as biblically opposing.
    if simply put, theistic evolution believes that God created us through a very lengthy process in accordance to the laws of nature which God has set. we call that process evolution. Figuratively, God created man from dust.
    ergo, there is no conflict between scientific and biblical creation accounts in Theistic Evolution.

    as for death being the result of sin, you don't have to take that literally. after all, buhi pa man ta tanan diba?
    honestly, I don't see how theistic evolution either relate or contradict to "the wages of sin is death" biblical teaching when theistic evolution revolves only on the creation subject.
    Oh i know the subject, but i wanted to see what your thought process was. Why I'm saying you're on a slippery slope is simply because what you're espousing is not really consistent with biblical principles. The God I believe in is a consistent God and if he had intended for Man to have evolved from a single-celled organism to a complexed one or probably to have evolved from an Ape, he would have revealed it to his prophets and would it would have been detailed in the Bible.

    Do you think Romans 6:23 should not be taken literally, when the book of Genesis shows that the consequence of Adam's and Eve's disobedience is both spiritual and physical death? Theistic evolution is literally man's attempt to accommodate the man-made ideology of evolution into the word of God and make it more flavorful for "modern" thinkers and atheists - compromise you see the Bible will not be.

    A cornerstone of Evolution is that all living things were a result of Random Chance, Time, and Matter - The Bible tells us the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RACER X View Post
    Oh i know the subject, but i wanted to see what your thought process was. Why I'm saying you're on a slippery slope is simply because what you're espousing is not really consistent with biblical principles. The God I believe in is a consistent God and if he had intended for Man to have evolved from a single-celled organism to a complexed one or probably to have evolved from an Ape, he would have revealed it to his prophets and would it would have been detailed in the Bible.
    in the book of Job, there was verse about God's power that he can shake the foundations of the earth and its pillars.
    Does earth have pillars? No.
    is it wrong then? Not necessarily unless taken literally.
    God reveals how things unfold to his people according to their capacity of understanding, magdugo ang ilong ni moses ug hisgutan syas Ginoo ug quantum physics. Lol
    the bible may be inspired but it certainly is not scientific and this does not necessarily mean science and the bible contradict each other.

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    Do you think Romans 6:23 should not be taken literally, when the book of Genesis shows that the consequence of Adam's and Eve's disobedience is both spiritual and physical death?.
    Can a soul die? if eternal damnation exists, how can a soul be damned and suffer the torments of hell if the soul is dead?
    to suffer is to feel the pain of loss, can you be dead and suffer at the same time?
    but if death means separation from God which is life in itself, then figuratively it would make sense.

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    Theistic evolution is literally man's attempt to accommodate the man-made ideology of evolution into the word of God and make it more flavorful for "modern" thinkers and atheists - compromise you see the Bible will not be.
    who do you think gave man science? knowledge and intelligence is a gift from the creator. we ought to use it. parable of gifts?

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    A cornerstone of Evolution is that all living things were a result of Random Chance, Time, and Matter - The Bible tells us the opposite.
    you're referring to Atheistic Evolution.
    by the way, like i said in my previous post. nothing is new here, the points we've raised have been discussed in previous pages. i think we're better off back reading and enjoy the convos. just saying
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    Wow, you're technically conflating subjects here. On the subject of Death, I was very specific that death both spiritual and physical were a result of Man's sin - there is no theological or fundamental debate here actually, as by and large it is what is accepted and preached. This truly begs the question whether death existed before man's fall?

    Conflating Pillars with Death? LOL - Pillars described in the book of Job is OBVIOUSLY talks about the foundations of the earth - ugh.

    Please do educate me how and what the process of Man's evolution was from Dust - i'm all ears.

    yes, our ability to think and therefore knowledge is a gift from the Creator - but you postulating that evolution was a means used by God to create man is simply laughable - please support it with actual verses. Did any of the Prophets and Apostles espouse and teach the same beliefs - surely they would've preached it no?

    regardless if the topic was discussed in previous pages is irrelevant, it simply opens up the discussion of a fallacious theological theory that God mixed Evolution in his Creation process. When Genesis 1:31 mentions "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good."it meant that everything he had created is perfect and there was no need for millions of years to further improve everything...you see that is the flaw in your theistic theory...you are requiring Millions of years for humans to become who they are - yet the Bible states that we have a God who created us "one and done"

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    Evolution is simply a part of God's perfect creation. We are made from dust to flesh and bones (plus spirit), isn't that a process of evolution?

    After God created man (Adam & Ave), wala naman jud na usab ang hitsura sa atong body parts diba? Or tingali silang Adam ug Ave wala pa to silay pusod.

    The problem with some other christian denomination churches that was built on a foundation solely in the pages of the bible will tend to take the bible texts literally.
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