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Originally Posted by C'thulhu Mao bitaw ni ask ko unsay katungod nila mu offload ug pax kay naay right man ta to travel. Ang instances ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by C'thulhu View Post
    Mao bitaw ni ask ko unsay katungod nila mu offload ug pax kay naay right man ta to travel. Ang instances lang ma hold ta is if duna tay hdo due to kaso.

    Unsa may basis nila? Mere suspicion? That is very open to abuse. Otoh, correct me if I'm wrong, katong hasolon nila is kato ra man pud dili mu imik, unya mu areglo na lang. Thats why I also ask if naa bay ni kiha ani nila kay right to travel bya na guaranteed sa constitution, unless of course gi repeal na.
    basihan nila? mostly kay kana imo gi mention nga mere suspicion. Case sa ako uyab, 1st larga kay just the invitation letter of the private company nga ni offer nila og training, hostel reservation, return ticket and passport then "APPROVE" and larga na SG. Uli sya after two months diri Cebu and after one month kay balik na pud larga for training again, same requirements gipakta and take note ha same IO gihapon ang ni interview sa iya but then he got "DENIED" because of the question and answer portion nila nga dili ayo mo explain taas akong uyab. After that, another requirements were required and after a week he got all the other requirements and then again DENIED and there reason "NOT ENOUGH" we ask kung why not enough but NO FURTHER answer from them.

    Reklamo? ingnon paka og "MAPRISO MO ANI IF INYU PUGSON" kinsay di mataha anah nga unsa ra gud ta dili mi sweto ani nga case mao wala, wala nay lain nahimo, ni uli nga wala ka Larga akng uyab pero but a BIG BUT... after two weeks attempt again larga this time dungan mi akong uyab as TOURIST lng and requirements hotel reservation, return ticket, my company Id ( since akng uyab wlay comp ID kay private comp ra sya homebased ), then vouchers/tickets nga gi purchase throuh online sa among tour2x. This time we were interviewed by a different Immigration Officer then APPROVE WITHOUT THINKING sila.. asa naman tong ma priso oi.. wala jud silay Record diay if kinsa to ang na nga OFFLOAD before so kay na APPROVE naman mi, back on training na karon akong uyab diri sa SG, mo una ko uli den sya pabilin until next month. btaw ang importante nakalusot mi. lipay au mi ^_______^ but very sad about our system sa Immigration. Tsk2x
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    Ka dakong binuang gud ana ilang gi buhat, they are trampling on our rights!

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    This is the sad part.

    The right to travel in our constitution have certain exceptions which is vague and can be subject to abuse......

    Article III Section 6 of the Philippine constitution provides, in part, that the right to travel shall not be impaired except in the interest of national security, public safety, or public health, as may be provided by law.

    The term "public safety" is a "grey area" and that is the reason why immigration is strict especially if your purpose of going abroad is not clear.....

    Our goverment even empowers the POEA to enforce a system for exit clearances for those who would work abroad.... (I am not a law professional but this could even be unconstitutional)

    And mere suspicion should not be a basis for offloading.

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    Obviously lang ha, just like what we think the the IO's are doing, ang mga ni-post pod diri are merely suspecting ra pod. So far, wala pa ma'y ni-post nga nibuhat jud sila'g action against an IO.

    Quote Originally Posted by C'thulhu View Post
    Diba naa may constitutionally guaranteed right of freedom to travel? Naa nay naka sulay file ug kaso ani nila? Seems like easy money ni dah na mang hold ug off load lang ug passengers...
    Boss or to anybody here,
    ... how about you try to travel abroad nga passport ra imo dala.
    Then if i-offload ka sa IO, ikiha dayon!
    Nya post dayon diri sa progress bah.

    ...aron ba makuhaan atong suspicions or imaginations on why they are offloading us.


    Wala ko nag-joke hap, dili pod ni sarcasm.
    Like everybody else here, I am interested pod kung unsa jud reasons for offloading passengers.
    I myself prepare the necessary things & docs ( except "lagay!" ) kung mo-travel ko.
    Kay dili ko gusto ma-offload and i dont want to experiment it on myself.
    Although i can see a lot of people getting offloaded jud ...
    Last edited by jackdi; 05-25-2013 at 10:41 AM. Reason: wrong spelling :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackdi View Post
    Obviously lang ha, just like what we think the the IO's are doing, ang mga ni-post pod diri are merely suspecting ra pod. So far, wala pa ma'y ni-post nga nibuhat jud sila'g action against an IO.


    Boss or to anybody here,
    ... how about you try to travel abroad nga passport ra imo dala.
    Then if i-offload ka sa IO, ikiha dayon!
    Nya post dayon diri sa progress bah.

    ...aron ba makuhaan atong suspicions or imaginations on why they are offloading us.


    Wala ko nag-joke hap, dili pod ni sarcasm.
    Like everybody else here, I am interested pod kung unsa jud reasons for offloading passengers.
    I myself prepare the necessary things & docs ( except "lagay!" ) kung mo-travel ko.
    Kay dili ko gusto ma-offload and i dont want to experiment it on myself.
    Although i can see a lot of people getting offloaded jud ...
    Boss, when I travel, passport raman usually akong dala kay kinahanglan man, sometimes hotel vouchers if naa. I travel for business and leisure, usual destinations is Tokyo, Hongkong, Taipei, Singapore, sometimes Bangkok. There are times exit ko from Mactan, sometimes from Manila. Business trips usually is to meet suppliers and visit trade fares.

    In my observations kung naka espooting coat and tie ka business attire, kusog kaayo mag sir sir ang mga IO way daghan pangutana, it was just one time na goin to Hongkong on Cebupac naka shorts and t-shirt ra ko na gi pangutana ko questions like where do I stay, purpose of travel, how long sa hk etc until naay immigration supervisor na ngumusta nako, then ni timbre ra dayon IO sa counter asking kaila diay mo to which I replied yah cge ko ka timing ana niya pag larga nako before, and asked him in return bago ra ka assign dire?...

    Not to be an ass, but in my observation, they do profiling sa kinsa ilang hasolon, with my limited small talks with people na gi hasol, most are ofw na gi pangitaan whatever clearance, nya naa pud tourist ra intawn na dili pa sweto... Wa pa ko kita passenger naka gold rolex watch or blinged up or those who look rich nga gi hassle... I'm just sad sa na among ani ilang kalaki... Dili bya lalim ma tanggung sa airport, ug ang gasto sa ticket ma ty... Can't really blame those ofw na dili ganahan mu gamit sa ilang Philippine passport, mas ganahan cla maka passport sa lain countries para wala nay hasol pag gawas daw... anyways, enough of my rantings...
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    ^lagi murag mao sad akong nabantayan.. mrag it's about what you wear.. tsk2.


    Quote Originally Posted by epelapa View Post
    kasabot ko nimu sir.. but if dili na mapugos og hatag kay d man jud unta mohatag bah.. kana lng ganing naa namn gud ka sa point nga ready na au ka and sayunon raka e offload.. and if mosukol ka naa baya purohan nga samot ka duoton nila kana ganing ingana nga sahay maka mapugos nalng jud ka bigay kay wala ka lain choice, dili baya lalim ang gasto sa pagpangandam labi na ang ticket nga if e offload ka 50 percent ra jud intawn mabalik sa imo and if imo tong gamiton ang 50 percent den ma offload na pud ka another 50 percent sa imong 50 percent.. akong uyab naka agi jud anah naa na complete requirements but gi ingnan japon nga dili daw enough if mo ask pud mi nganu kay wala sila laing matubag " basta dili enough" wala jud sla specify nganu dili enough, may gani wala mohatag og under the table akong uyab bisan obvious na ayo ang IO.. but karn thank God!!! nakalusot akong uyab sa pinaagi og pagkuyog naku and leisure ang purpose ^_^

    abot nami SG.. puro panghadlok ang mga IO last time kato ako uyab ra usa ni attempt larga, naa pay words nga "ma priso ka ani if imo pugson" but dili man diay na ma record or mark nila sa ilang database if na offload ka last time nimu attempt larga.. gidunganan jud naku akong uyab larga pag gabie as tourist and holiday/leisure, business man to last time.. Thank God diritso2x ra jud sya, ako ang daghan nuon gi ask but napakita ra naku tanan requirements.. Thank God! finally
    wow, finally! unta ok ra pd ning amoa pohon tawn. di lalim ang gasto baya!

    btw, if group mu travelling together ba, og mang offload man gani sila tanan ba taw sa inyo group or naa bay time na ang uban gipalusot while naay wa kalusot na usa or duha sa group?


    og pwede mu ask nlng pd ko ani dri. same ra ba gihapon ang terminal fee og travel tax? 550 and 1620 respectively? TIA!
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    sa tanan na offload...unsa nga airline inyo sakyan unta?
    nagsabut kaha na ang airline ug ang IO?....

    airline: overbooked ta karon, offload ta ug 5pax.
    IO: i-deposit lang sa akong account ha....

    bag-o ra mi gkan sa SG.
    wala may kuti sa Mactan, me and wife lang ang dili first time sa SG...the rest, 7 sila, wala man kutiha pud.
    ang plane kay naay bakante nga duha or tulo ba to ka seat.
    ngano nakahibalo ko naay bakante? among kuyog ganahan mobalhin ug seat pero dili niya type ang balhinan.


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    just want to share this news / link I read from sunstar, last year paman d i ni gi implement, . No wonder why na offload ko last yr pag july. init na d i kaau ang mga IO's gipa strict sila ni VP binay.

    Vice President Jejomar Binay confident on offloading guidelines | Sun.Star

    From Laila DE lima
    MEMORANDUM (GUIDELINES ON DEPARTURE FORMALITIES)
    The Bureau of Immigration, Philippines Official Website - Memorandum (Guidelines on Departure Formalities)


    mao d i na reason mga sis and bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shania View Post
    just want to share this news / link I read from sunstar, last year paman d i ni gi implement, . No wonder why na offload ko last yr pag july. init na d i kaau ang mga IO's gipa strict sila ni VP binay.

    Vice President Jejomar Binay confident on offloading guidelines | Sun.Star

    From Laila DE lima
    MEMORANDUM (GUIDELINES ON DEPARTURE FORMALITIES)
    The Bureau of Immigration, Philippines Official Website - Memorandum (Guidelines on Departure Formalities)


    mao d i na reason mga sis and bro.
    Ok so naa man diay guidelines... It all comes down to money ra diay after all... So better look rich.


    highlights the duty of immigration officers to adhere to the principles of courtesy, accountability, responsibility, efficiency and service, as enunciated in our BI-CARES program.
    GUIDELINES ON DEPARTURE FORMALITIES FOR INTERNATIONAL-BOUND PASSENGERS IN ALL AIRPORTS AND SEAPORTS IN THE COUNTRY

    Pursuant to Republic Act No. 9208, otherwise known as the “Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act of 2003”, and its Implementing Rules and Regulations, Republic Act No. 8042, otherwise known as the “Migrant Workers and Overseas Filipinos Act of 1995”, as amended by Republic Act No. 10022 and other related laws, the following guidelines, providing for definite parameters in the strict enforcement of immigration departure formalities intended for the prevention of trafficking in persons, illegal recruitment, and other related offenses, are hereby promulgated for strict implementation/compliance by all concerned:

    I. TOURIST TRAVELERS

    A traveler intending to go abroad with a tourist/temporary visitor’s visa shall be subjected to:

    1. Primary Inspection

    During primary inspection, the following documents shall be required from a traveler:

    a) Passport
    b) Visa when required
    c) Roundtrip Ticket

    2. Secondary Inspection

    2.1 The Bureau of Immigration shall conduct a secondary inspection of a traveler, when deemed necessary, for the purpose of protecting vulnerable victims of human trafficking and illegal recruitment and other related offenses, through the assessment of the following circumstances:

    a) Age
    b) Educational attainment
    c) Financial capability to travel

    i. If not financially capable to travel, an authenticated affidavit of support, indicating therein the relationship within the 4th civil degree of consanguinity or affinity, together with the supporting documents, may be entertained; and
    ii. An affidavit of undertaking/ guaranty may likewise be entertained.

    2.2 Any passenger/traveler who will be subjected for secondary inspection shall be required to accomplish the Bureau of Immigration Border Control Questionnaire (BCQ) to be furnished by the Immigration Officer.

    2.3 However, the following shall automatically be subjected to secondary inspection:

    a) Travelers without financial capacity to travel escorted/accompanied by a foreigner who is not related;
    b) Minor traveling alone or unaccompanied by either parent or legal guardian without the required travel clearance from the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD);
    c) Repatriated irregular workers, in which case, travel may not be allowed without the clearance from the IACAT (generate data);
    d) Partners and spouses of foreign nationals intending to depart to meet and/or marry his/her fiancé without the CFO Guidance and Counseling Certificate;
    e) Passengers traveling to counties with existing deployment bans, alert levels and travel advisories and those in possession of a visas to the said countries; and
    f) Passengers who stayed abroad for more than one (1) year during a previous departure from the country as a tourist/temporary visitor, intending to depart for the second and/or subsequent time.

    2.4 Clarificatory questions may be propounded relating to the above-mentioned documents/purpose by the Bureau of Immigration.
    2.5 A traveler found to be misrepresenting the purpose of his/her travel as tourist shall not be cleared for departure.

    II. OVERSEAS FILIPINO WORKERS


    1.First Time Overseas Filipino Workers

    1.1 Travelers under this classification shall present the following documents as validated by the Labor Assistance Center (LAC):

    a) Passport
    b) Visa
    c) Airline/Sea craft Tickets
    d) Overseas Employment Certificate (OEC)

    1.2 Allowable Visa Usage (Based on POEA Rules and Regulations)

    Should there be any discrepancy in the actual job position/job title in the visa and in the Overseas Employment Certificate, travel may nevertheless be allowed provided that the POEA through its LAC, has validated and approved the variance based on the following:

    a) The visa category is related to the workers’ position or in line with the principal’s nature of business;
    b) The recruitment agency executes an Undertaking on Visa Usage; and
    c) The worker is aware of the visa discrepancy situation and has executed a Declaration of Awareness and Consent.

    1.3 Instance When Visa Usage is NOT Allowed (Based on POEA Rules and Regulaions)

    The use of Visa Usage Undertaking (VUU), however, does not, and can never, apply to Household Service Workers (HSW). The visa category should be strictly for household-based positions, otherwise, a traveler will not be cleared for departure and the aforementioned documents shall be confiscated for further investigation and appropriate action.

    1.4 For Acts Involving Reprocessing of Contracts and Other Documents

    OFWs in possession of “reprocessed” documents shall not be cleared for departure.

    Based on R.A. No. 10022, the following constitute acts of reprocessing:

    1. The job description/position as indicated in the work visa is different from all other pertinent documents such as the Overseas Employment Certificate, the PDOS Certificate, among others;
    2. The actual job as promised or offered is different from the actual overseas work as indicated in the pertinent papers; and
    3. The name of the employer or hiring company as indicated in the work visa and/or OEC are not one and the same.

    All documents used under the afore-mentioned provision shall be confiscated and turned over to the POEA for further investigation and appropriate action.

    2. Balik-manggagawa/ Returning Workers

    2.1 The following OFWs fall under the category of Balik-Manggagawa/Returning Workers:

    a) Worker-on-Leave – a worker who is on vacation or on leave from employment under a valid and existing employment contract and who is returning to the same employer, regardless of any change in jobsite, to finish the remaining unexpired portion of the contact.
    b) Rehire – a worker who was rehired by the same employer after finishing his/her contact and who is returning to the same employer, regardless of a change in jobsite.
    c) POLO registered worker – a returning worker whose employment contact was not processed with the POEA but was subsequently verified and registered with the Philippine Overseas Labor Office (POLO) in the jobsite and who is returning to the same employer either as a worker-on-leave or rehire, regardless of any change in jobsite. Same employer/principal refers to the current employer of the worker at the time he/she came home for vacation and to whom he/she is returning to resume employment upon return to jobsite.

    2.2 Balik-Manggagawa OFWs shall be required to present the following:

    a) Passport
    b) Valid visa
    c) Airline/sea Craft Ticket
    d) OEC issued onsite by the POLO or by the POEA

    2.3 In case of incomplete or questionable documentary requirements, the OFW shall be referred to the POEA-LAC for further investigation and appropriate action.

    3. Overseas Filipino Workers on vacation but visiting other countries before returning to original worksite/destination

    A Balik-Manggagawa OFW with a valid visa and existing work contact who intends to go to other countries while on vacation need not get a POEA travel exit clearance/OEC. Hence, he/she is considered a tourist and is not exempt from travel tax and terminal fee, but shall be allowed to travel.

    4. Special Travel Exit Clearance

    Pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement between POEA and BI, the following are required to secure Special Travel Exit Clearance from the POEA:

    a) PEZA registered companies sending their employees to South Korea for training program with worker trainee visas;
    b) Seafarers who are under the employment of a Philippine shipping company who are assigned to accompany or “conduct” a vessel that is being imported by the said shipping company from a foreign port to the Philippines, also referred to as “conduction crew” since they remain to be under the employ of their local companies;
    c) Filipino seafarers who are required to undergo special training abroad as prescribed by the prospective foreign employer;
    d) Filipino workers and spouses who are covered by the Work to Residence Policy, and who applied for immigration to New Zealand with no prearranged employment with an employer prior to their departure; and
    e) Filipino workers required to undergo final interview or qualifying examination abroad as prescribed by the prospective foreign employer.


    III. IMMIGRANT OR PERMANENT RESIDENT VISA

    1. Filipino emigrants/residence visa or permit holders / permanent resident card holders

    Travelers falling under this visa category shall present the following documents for primary inspection:

    a) Passport
    b) Permanent residence visa / immigrant visa / permanent residence card
    c) CFO Emigrant registration sticker
    d) Airline/Sea Craft ticket

    2. Filipino spouses and other partners of foreign nationals

    Travelers falling under this visa category shall present the following documents for primary inspection:

    a) Passport
    b) Permanent residence permit or visa / immigrant visa / permanent residence card
    c) Guidance and Counseling Certificate
    d) CFO Emigrant registration sticker
    e) Airline/Sea Craft Ticket

    3. Filipino J1 visa holders or Exchange Visitor Program Participants Departing for the USA

    Travelers falling under this visa category shall present the following documents for primary inspection:

    a) Valid passport
    b) Valid J1 visa for USA


    IV. SPECIAL CASES

    1. FOR FINAL INTERVIEW/QUALIFYING EXAM

    Workers to undergo final interview/qualifying exam as required by their prospective employers shall present the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration’s (POEA) Special Exit Clearance. In the absence of thereof, passengers shall not be cleared for departure.

    2. ON THE JOB TRAINING

    Travelers intending to depart to another country for the purpose of on-the-job training shall present the following additional documents:

    i. School certification on the need for on-the-job training
    ii. Acceptance by the host company
    iii. Certificate of Overseas Training by the Commission on Higher Education (CHED)

    3. For relatives requesting for compassionate visit to an irregular worker abroad, a certification from Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA-OUMWA) must be secured.
    4.Immediate family members of Overseas Filipino Workers (OFWs) travelling with a tourist/ temporary visitor’s visa shall be allowed without need of further inspection, provided, they establish relationship within the first civil degree of consanguinity or affinity (spouse, children and parents) with the OFW and provided further that they present photo copies of the following documents of the Overseas Filipino worker:

    a) Passport
    b) Visa
    c) Overseas Employment Certification
    d) NSO authenticated birth/marriage certificate, as the case may be

    5. Passengers who intend to depart for intra-company trainings abroad for less than three (3) months shall present an invitation from the host company reflecting the duration, entitlements, travel and other incidental expenses; while those exceeding three (3) months shall present the corresponding Trainorship Agreement containing all the above data.


    V. GENERAL GUIDELINES


    1. Travelers presenting fake/fraudulent passports, documents, immigration stamp shall be confiscated by the BI without prejudice to any other action that may be taken against said passenger.
    2. The Bureau of Immigration shall turn-over the confiscated passports and other fake/fraudulent documents to the DOJ-IACAT for appropriate action.
    3. Passengers who were not cleared for departure by reason of vulnerability to trafficking, illegal recruitment, or other related crimes, shall be immediately turned over by the Bureau of Immigration to the IACAT Task Force or to designated agency/ies for mandatory services provision, such as temporary shelter, legal assistance, or psycho-social interventions, and for more in-depth information-gathering.
    4. Immigration Officers, in the performance of their functions and duties, shall adhere to the principles of Courtesy, Accountability, Responsibility, Efficiency and Service (BI – C.A.R.E.S.). The Bureau shall, likewise, institute a mechanism for immediate feedback and redress of grievances of passengers.
    5. All agencies and Task Forces designated for the purpose of combating trafficking in persons, illegal recruitment, and other related crimes are hereby directed to revise existing procedures and systems to complements these guidelines within one (1) month from the effectivity thereof, to be submitted to the IACAT and PTFAIR for review and evaluation.

    Take note of number 4.

    The Bureau of Immigration, Philippines Official Website - Memorandum (Guidelines on Departure Formalities)

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    Quote Originally Posted by keczianthei View Post
    ^lagi murag mao sad akong nabantayan.. mrag it's about what you wear.. tsk2.


    wow, finally! unta ok ra pd ning amoa pohon tawn. di lalim ang gasto baya!

    btw, if group mu travelling together ba, og mang offload man gani sila tanan ba taw sa inyo group or naa bay time na ang uban gipalusot while naay wa kalusot na usa or duha sa group?


    og pwede mu ask nlng pd ko ani dri. same ra ba gihapon ang terminal fee og travel tax? 550 and 1620 respectively? TIA!

    yap same fee both terminal and travel tax. depende ra jud na. naa may uban pa tourist2x den apil group tour and still naa jud ng madudahan gani ka. as ive said from my previous post, group tour toh ako kaila nilarga but still was offloaded so depende jud sa mga docus or req, nga mapakita nimu orif madudahan jud ka or para nila dili enough imo req. or docus nga gipakita.

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