You can be a moral person without God...

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by schmuck aw grabeha maau oi. kani daw, unsa nga "cuisine" ang pinakasakto?

bro, this question is like "which is true COLOR".

ang cuisine bro kay magdepende sa mukaon og ang gusto sa mukaon.

ako kay gusto nako dili halang nga food pero naay tao gusto og halang nga food, pasabot ba ana ako sakto kung ako pangutan-on nya siya pud sakto kung siya ang pangutan-on?


Pero kung hisgot tag bible or belief, diha nato ma check kung kinsay sakto kay ang output ato basehan.

example : Christian compare to Buddhist, Islam or Pagan we can compare them their doctrine and their execution of their doctrine.

Then from Christian and professing Christian, we can compare who follow Jesus Christ through works and words.

Peace!

[schmuck]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman bro, this question is like "which is true COLOR". ang cuisine bro kay magdepende sa mukaon og ang gusto sa mukaon. ako kay gusto nako dili halang nga food pero naay tao gusto og halang nga food, pasabot ba ana ako sakto kung ako pangutan-on nya siya pud sakto kung siya ang pangutan-on? Pero kung hisgot tag bible or belief, diha nato ma check kung kinsay sakto kay ang output ato basehan. example : Christian compare to Buddhist, Islam or Pagan we can compare them their doctrine and their execution of their doctrine. Then from Christian and professing Christian, we can compare who follow Jesus Christ through works and words. Peace!

is it safe to conclude nga mao ni imong view,
dili mo matter kung christian, muslim, buddhist, etc as long as nindot/sakto ang output?

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by schmuck is it safe to conclude nga mao ni imong view, dili mo matter kung christian, muslim, buddhist, etc as long as nindot/sakto ang output?

Bro I think its clear I've used the word "COMPARE".

We have different doctrine so the output will differ.

again balik ta sa cookbook, kung gusto kag spicy nga food diba palit kag cookbook nga spicy ang sulod?
so pananglitan imo gipalit kay pasta nga cookbook, maka-output ba ka og spicy nga food like Bicol Express or Thailand cuisine?

karon bro kung ang output kay Sweet foods, nya ang ako gidala kay Dessert nga cookbook nya imo kay Sushi cuisine, makahatag kaha ka sa output nga sweet food o dessert?


So kung ato dad-on sa atoang gihisgutan, kung God fearing person nya a good citizen ato gusto nga output unsa nga book ang makapagawas ana og klase nga tao?

ikaw nay pili, og ang tubag kay imoha na lang sa.


padayon ta.

Peace!

[schmuck]

liboga oi, akoi magbout kung unsa akong ganahan nga output?
buffet diay ang style?

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by schmuck liboga oi, akoi magbout kung unsa akong ganahan nga output? buffet diay ang style?

ang output nga imo gusto magdepende sa imo paliton or sundon nga cookbook.

bro schmuck, nice discussing with you.

I have to go, naa pa ko buhaton.

Till next time, if God willing.

Peace!

[chad_tukes]

Quote: Originally Posted by schmuck exactly! atheists impose their beliefs and think they are so smart. they don't realize they are going to hell lol

....then send me to hell.

the "hell" i care. are there beer volcanoes and clean stippers there too? that'd be awesome.

[chad_tukes]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman Moral came from GOD, a good moral. Without GOD we are nothing. 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Acts 17:28 29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. Ecclesiastes 7:29 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10 God is GOOD, everything from Him is good. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17 now the best part, can people say that the GOOD we know is from our own? If from our own, HOW COME WE HAVE DIFFERENT DIFINITION OF GOOD? OUR INDIVIDUAL or WE SEEMS its GOOD is DIFFER FROM EACH OTHER IF WE WONT BASE IT FROM GODS WORD? Peace!

bro RC... musta bro, mingaw man ko nimo. kiss ko beh?

anyway, about morals bro... back read the thread---religion only teaches morals---it does not come from it.

ever heard of Zeitgeist bro?

[AmorsoloX]

Quote: Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute biases of morality of actions --- that is why abortion becomes right, after all fetus is not life.. thats what they call it enlightenment... hahaha! Brad I dont buy your idea. If people cannot tell what is right and what is wrong... then it becomes... it is right to be wrong... and it is wrong to be right... it becomes chaos.

nope.. im not selling it.. im telling it...

kaw gud.. naa ra nimu.. kung padayun ka pa uto2x sa imu simbahan cge. go.. it doesnt concern me.. as long as dili ka magimpose anang imong tinuohan sa uban.. ayaw ni ipugos nga ikaw jud sakto..

the definition of right and wrong is abstract.. what is right to yoy maybe wrong to another.. the church has no monopoly on culture and beliefs..
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mas maau ikaw motapak kay sa ikaw tapakan

[blue_ice]

Quote: Originally Posted by buttmen Then why need a god? Why go to church? Why pray?

Why We Need God

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God
is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

He gave His only begotten Son. The first verse tells us about the penalty for sin. Every person is guilty of some sin, some violation of God’s standard for what is right and wrong. The penalty for sin is death. All people die, and sin is the reason for it.

And He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
1 Peter 2:24

But the second verse tells us what it means that God gave His Son: Jesus died on the cross, taking the penalty of our sin on Himself. Imagine sin as a crime. On the cross, Jesus was convicted of every crime ever committed, and through His suffering, He carried out the death sentence for each conviction. We don’t have to pay the penalty for our sin—we can go free and enjoy the life God has for us!

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by AmorsoloX nope.. im not selling it.. im telling it... kaw gud.. naa ra nimu.. kung padayun ka pa uto2x sa imu simbahan cge. go.. it doesnt concern me.. as long as dili ka magimpose anang imong tinuohan sa uban.. ayaw ni ipugos nga ikaw jud sakto.. the definition of right and wrong is abstract.. what is right to yoy maybe wrong to another.. the church has no monopoly on culture and beliefs.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- mas maau ikaw motapak kay sa ikaw tapakan

hehehe, ako namugos sak2? nope! too bad... you are not reading! I always said, I DON"T EVEN CARE. but if you annoys us, kebot will mock...

I never imposed my belief brad, wa gani ni sila ka balu sa ako details... by the way im not selling my religion after all this is not a recruitment agency...

[blue_ice]

Quote: Originally Posted by chad_tukes bro RC... musta bro, mingaw man ko nimo. kiss ko beh? anyway, about morals bro... back read the thread---religion only teaches morals---it does not come from it. ever heard of Zeitgeist bro?

Don't believe in the Zeitgeist propaganda.... full of lies..and full of crap....

Please read:
The Myth of Jesus: A Refutation of the Zeitgeist Debunking Atheism

[AmorsoloX]

question..

ngano kintahay blessed are the poor for they shall inherit the kingdom of God or something like that.. ang mga dato diay?
so kinsa nman lang diay pwede madato? maybe mga pari ra naa daw kuno right ma dato..

blessed are the weak so they shall rule the earth.. na... magkagubot jud ni.. nobody follows a weak person rba..

the church is pro-poor.. they want you to be poor.. while they become rich..

the church wants you to be weak and helpless. to be dependent on the church.. so that you will become a fanatic and do whatever the church tells you..

sa uto2x lang gud... atleast ang church wala moingon nga mag suicide bombing ka.. well.. not yet anyway...

[AmorsoloX]

nindut ang zeitgeist.. excerpt gkan sa wiki..

Christianity is thereby argued to be a Gnostic myth, historicized by the Roman Empire for social control of Europe through doctrines established at the First Council of Nicea. The Dark Ages, the Inquisitions and the Crusades are presented as events which maintained Europe's submission to The Vatican through Christianity. The following is said in conclusion: "Christianity, along with all other theistic belief systems [...] empowers those who know the truth, but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. [...] It reduces human responsibility to the effect that "God" controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of Divine Pursuit. [...] The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish."

all the other chapters or parts.. murag lisud katoohan.. but the motives might be possible...
greed is integral to man.. even to the point of using divine knowledge for the sake of enriching themselves.. kini ra man gud part nga murag katoohan

i wont argue that Christ and Mohammad were holy men.. they are worthy of respect.. so is mother theresa, mohatma gandhi.. St. francis, n others. but the problem is their are people who have knowledge who use that knowledge to acquire power for themselves.. by twisting it to suit their wishes..

knowledge is power.. and power corrupts...

[jamesmusslewhite]

Quote: Originally Posted by AmorsoloX qoute lang nako ang interesting part.. sayang space tanan ako i qoute.. so are you saying my God is not the right god because he is not the christian God? if people think of your Christ as a doorknob, then you'd be also a foolish doorknob.. wouldnt that logic make Mohammed and other prophets from other religions doorknobs too?.. No, because there is no God of Doorknobs; but if a religion starts up that worship doorknobs than please feel free to join it if you choose. There are many religions in the world, and Christians, Jews, and Muslims each claim to follow the God of Abraham. Abraham's sons became the 12 tribes of Israel so they are Jews and follow text written over 3,300 years ago. Christians follow Jesus the Christ, who the Jews called Rabbi, born over 1,900 years ago and follow text written within 30 years after his death and resurrection. Muslims follow the Qur'an which is comprised by the teachings of an Adnani Arab prophet written over 1,350 years ago. The Jews wrote of the prophetical coming of the Christ, Christians follow the teachings of the Christ, and the Muslims choose to minimize the Christ and his teachings. That is just the truth and Historical facts, and their religious text reflects the concepts of their views. hmm.. so your telling me im going to hell just because i dont have the same belief as you.. tsk tsk tsk.. mao jud ni nka daot sa religion.. No, because it says we will all be judged in the end, each according to their deeds and beliefs, and if they rejected the words of God and each will receive his rewards or punishment . Christ just offer freedom from the Second Death. This was written 1,900 years before I was even born. These are not my rules or words. Reject them if you choose, you are a bright man and you will be judged on the decisions you make. There is only one Creator and many religions, who is to say that members of other religions will not find their way into heaven. That is case by case, and according to the lives of each man. The Final Judgment will be a sliding scale that adapts to each man's condition. I merely follow the Christ, who taught that following him would give me salvation, Grace from his Father, everlasting life, and freedom from the Final Judgment and Second Death. so unsa man jud? langit sila or dili? dba dili si christ ila gi follow sa salvation, so sa imung statement before, they're going to hell coz they arent doing it in accordance to your Christ's teachings? No, and that is not what is written in the New Testament; only, that it may be harder to receive eternal salvation if you choose to ignore his teachings. Even if you hear his teachings you still have to live your life by his teachings. There is no "Get Out of Hell Free Card" salvation is not cheap. But if you do not read the books and find those answers for yourself, then you may be making the God's Grace harder to receive. You have one short life time to figure it out, and an eternity to regret wrong decisions.

You can choose to ignore Christ teachings if you choose. Christ stated that he was the way to his Father, and only through him. I believe that was only pertaining to his Grace to avoid the Second Death of the Final Judgment. There will still be the Final Judgment and all those that do not choose to follow his teachings will be there. Each man will have his day in court to state his case, so each man has the chance to enter Heaven.
I just choose to follow Christ and not have to suffer the Final Judgment and the Second death. You can do what ever you choose, follow what ever God you choose, follow no God if you choose. You can even decide to line up right behind Satan and march right over the edge of the pit; most will, so if that is the path you choose, you will have a lot of company.

I just choose to avoid that party.

[jamesmusslewhite]

Quote: Originally Posted by AmorsoloX nindut ang zeitgeist.. excerpt gkan sa wiki.. Christianity is thereby argued to be a Gnostic myth, historicized by the Roman Empire for social control of Europe through doctrines established at the First Council of Nicea. The Dark Ages, the Inquisitions and the Crusades are presented as events which maintained Europe's submission to The Vatican through Christianity. The following is said in conclusion: "Christianity, along with all other theistic belief systems [...] empowers those who know the truth, but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. [...] It reduces human responsibility to the effect that "God" controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of Divine Pursuit. [...] The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish." all the other chapters or parts.. murag lisud katoohan.. but the motives might be possible... greed is integral to man.. even to the point of using divine knowledge for the sake of enriching themselves.. kini ra man gud part nga murag katoohan i wont argue that Christ and Mohammad were holy men.. they are worthy of respect.. so is mother theresa, mohatma gandhi.. St. francis, n others. but the problem is their are people who have knowledge who use that knowledge to acquire power for themselves.. by twisting it to suit their wishes.. knowledge is power.. and power corrupts...

I know that if you were a true followers of Judaism, Christ or Mohammad; that you would not believe the statements you made above. They each teach that God was a perfect being, and not as an imperfect God or Demiurge. Demiurge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have little knowledge is even a more dangerous thing, it makes you prey for stupidity