You can be a moral person without God...

[Ger]

Quote: Originally Posted by schmuck exactly! atheists impose their beliefs and think they are so smart. they don't realize they are going to hell lol

makadaot na sa lawas ang sobrang beer ang babaye brother... ni care mi nimo aron di ka masakit unya mag pabigat sa imong mama kung masakit ka... kung ako imo parenti, latoson jud tika aron ka mabot.an... because i care...

[force_driven]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman Moral came from GOD, a good moral. Without GOD we are nothing. 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Acts 17:28 29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. Ecclesiastes 7:29 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10 God is GOOD, everything from Him is good. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17 now the best part, can people say that the GOOD we know is from our own? If from our own, HOW COME WE HAVE DIFFERENT DIFINITION OF GOOD? OUR INDIVIDUAL or WE SEEMS its GOOD is DIFFER FROM EACH OTHER IF WE WONT BASE IT FROM GODS WORD? Peace!

so meaning magbinuotan lang diay ta kay tungod naay Ginoo..what if there is no God, so dili ka mobuhat og maayo? Dapat dili ta ina ana.. We do good things because it is good and for me being a moral person makes me happy because I put myself unto others..not just because naay Ginoo...Just like when you are sweeping the floor in your house and you will not seek for recognition of what good deed you have done...Buhat tag maayo kay maayo man..

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by force_driven so meaning magbinuotan lang diay ta kay tungod naay Ginoo..what if there is no God, so dili ka mobuhat og maayo? Dapat dili ta ina ana.. We do good things because it is good and for me being a moral person makes me happy because I put myself unto others..not just because naay Ginoo...Just like when you are sweeping the floor in your house and you will not seek for recognition of what good deed you have done...Buhat tag maayo kay maayo man..

Then "IF" there's no GOD then we don't exist, its a rationale situation.

Bro/Sis, in the bible even a certain people doesn't know GOD, GOD already know them:

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Romans 2:13-15

Hope you will read the verses.


We are made by GOD unto good works read again Ephesians 2:10.
So by not knowning we can still do GOOD even people doesn't know GOD based on the conscience or guilt being inplanted.

Do you believe in GOD?

Peace!

[AmorsoloX]

Quote: Originally Posted by force_driven so meaning magbinuotan lang diay ta kay tungod naay Ginoo..what if there is no God, so dili ka mobuhat og maayo? Dapat dili ta ina ana.. We do good things because it is good and for me being a moral person makes me happy because I put myself unto others..not just because naay Ginoo...Just like when you are sweeping the floor in your house and you will not seek for recognition of what good deed you have done...Buhat tag maayo kay maayo man..

agree.. even GOD would appreciate that.. God doesnt want you to kiss his A*S.. what he wants is your genuine interest in the welfare of others.. kamo ra nag ingon nga GOD knows what your thinking.. and doing good just because you dont want to feel his wrath is plain just plain selfish..

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by AmorsoloX agree.. even GOD would appreciate that.. God doesnt want you to kiss his A*S.. what he wants is your genuine interest in the welfare of others.. kamo ra nag ingon nga GOD knows what your thinking.. and doing good just because you dont want to feel his wrath is plain just plain selfish..

Kami ang nag-ingon ani "kamo ra nag ingon nga GOD knows what your thinking.."?
We must do good not just because afraid of his wrath but according to our purpose why we are made.
read again the verses I've posted above.

God doesn't want us/me to kiss His ass but rather to THANK HIM in everything.

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1 Thessalonians 5:18

15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Colossians 3:15


Doing good is not just we're afraid of His wrath but rather:


5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
Ephesians 6:5-7


Peace!

[force_driven]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman Then "IF" there's no GOD then we don't exist, its a rationale situation. Do you believe in GOD? Peace!

I do believe in God, but let's assume lagi if there is no God..magbinut an lang diay ka ky naay Ginoo..
I think mas malipay siya kung dili ta mag seek of recognition of Him...d ba? If you are really a good Christian, then you do good deeds, not just for your salvation.....

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by force_driven I do believe in God, but let's assume lagi if there is no God..magbinut an lang diay ka ky naay Ginoo.. I think mas malipay siya kung dili ta mag seek of recognition of Him...d ba? If you are really a good Christian, then you do good deeds, not just for your salvation.....

So in order for you to raise arguments is to ASSUME?
that's a useless arguments or discussion, why not we DISCUSS REALITY.
SO if you do believe in GOD, lets not assume that He's not there.

Ang pagsunod sa GINOO kay ang paghimo og maayo og pagbinut-an.

9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Galatians 6:9-10

Peace!

[schmuck]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman Moral came from GOD, a good moral. Without GOD we are nothing. 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Acts 17:28 29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. Ecclesiastes 7:29 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10 God is GOOD, everything from Him is good. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17 now the best part, can people say that the GOOD we know is from our own? If from our own, HOW COME WE HAVE DIFFERENT DIFINITION OF GOOD? OUR INDIVIDUAL or WE SEEMS its GOOD is DIFFER FROM EACH OTHER IF WE WONT BASE IT FROM GODS WORD? Peace!

again, simple ra man ni kung subayon.
kibaw ka ani tungod kai nakasulat sa biblia(as per your quoted verses)
kibaw ka nga tinoud ang gisulti sa biblia kai? ________(fill in the blanks pls rcruman)

[honey89]

For me, morality is subjective. What can be moral to one may not be moral to another. But since I believe in God, my "morality" is rooted toward his commandments. Like he said, Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, you do it Unto Me (Matt 25:40). Love Thy neighbor as you love yourself (Matt 22:39).

[honey89]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman So in order for you to raise arguments is to ASSUME? that's a useless arguments or discussion, why not we DISCUSS REALITY. SO if you do believe in GOD, lets not assume that He's not there. Ang pagsunod sa GINOO kay ang paghimo og maayo og pagbinut-an. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:9-10 Peace!

Let's also not forget to believe that Jesus died on the cross to save our sins and thus began the gift of salvation.

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by schmuck again, simple ra man ni kung subayon. kibaw ka ani tungod kai nakasulat sa biblia(as per your quoted verses) kibaw ka nga tinoud ang gisulti sa biblia kai? ________(fill in the blanks pls rcruman)

Kibaw ko nga tinuod ang gisulti sa bible kai?
1. Walay tao nga makasupak
2. ang gisulti sa bible kay mahitabo og nahitabo.
3. kay ang naa sa bible kung tumanon sa tao kay matarong og dili yabag.
4. Tinuod ang gisulti sa BIBLE kay TINUOD ang nagsulti.


Peace!

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by honey89 Let's also not forget to believe that Jesus died on the cross to save our sins and thus began the gift of salvation.

Then after His death, wala na tay buhaton?
Meaning si Jesus ra ang mubuhat?
Unsa imo denomination or religious affilation sister?

Peace!

[force_driven]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman So in order for you to raise arguments is to ASSUME? that's a useless arguments or discussion, why not we DISCUSS REALITY. SO if you do believe in GOD, lets not assume that He's not there. Ang pagsunod sa GINOO kay ang paghimo og maayo og pagbinut-an. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:9-10 Peace!

too fundamentalistic...ask ko lang...........did the philosophers of the medieval period like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, relied mostly in the bible...

I think not, they have to disprove and approve their arguments. huh? yes they also use assumption and denial...

[schmuck]

Quote: Originally Posted by honey89 For me, morality is subjective. What can be moral to one may not be moral to another. But since I believe in God, my "morality" is rooted toward his commandments. Like he said, Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, you do it Unto Me (Matt 25:40). Love Thy neighbor as you love yourself (Matt 22:39).

does not apply to sadomasochists, honey.

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman Kibaw ko nga tinuod ang gisulti sa bible kai? 1. Walay tao nga makasupak 2. ang gisulti sa bible kay mahitabo og nahitabo. 3. kay ang naa sa bible kung tumanon sa tao kay matarong og dili yabag. 4. Tinuod ang gisulti sa BIBLE kay TINUOD ang nagsulti. Peace!

murag ang number 4 ra man ang naai connect ana rcruman, circular lang. lolz

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by schmuck murag ang number 4 ra man ang naai connect ana rcruman, circular lang. lolz

Then wala nakoy mahimo kay according sa imo standards mao ra ang naay connect.

by the way:

MUTUO ka sa BIBLE og Labaw sa tanan sa GINOO?

Peace!