You can be a moral person without God...

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by kenshinsasuke Instinct of a man,.he doesnt need God when he feel everything is alrayt,.he needs God when there's no way out but to cry help from Him,..

Well you can start from there... Not everytime is alright... right? so why take him away to people who needs it? Does that feel right? hmmmm. Alright then kebot follow through!

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by chad_tukes it's better to do good because you know it is good. you don't do good because there's some kind of heavenly eyes watching over you. so what if there wasn't? does that mean it's okay to do bad?

ok lets talk about bad things... we have no problem with good things..

if you do bad things who will tell you its bad?

if we do bad things He will tell us its bad.

Question:

What is the benefit there is or there is nothing watching over us?

My answer is CONVICTION.

does that mean it's okay to do bad?
--- well if it works then good for you, if it doesnt then you are toast dba?
--- well even if it works for us, we still do not want to do it... as much far as we are concerned.
--- if tax evasion works for you i bet you will keep doing it. What if everyone will do the sameway like this... think again...

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Quote: Originally Posted by buttmen Then why need a god? Why go to church? Why pray?

because people are not justified before God by how "moral" they are..

All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

[munzter666]

Quote: Originally Posted by Existanz In my case, I would not try...hell, what's the worth in being moral without God, I could not have any conscience...it's the same feeling when I play terminator and sprays two cannisters of insecticide under the kitchen sink and kills perhaps a hundred or so worthless cockroaches...in reality perhaps it could be my office manager or my annoying neighbors.

that's weird. if you take away a man's religion and god belief(setting on DEFAULT) doesnt necessarily make one a SERIAL KILLER of some sort.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by munzter666 that's weird. if you take away a man's religion and god belief(setting on DEFAULT) doesnt necessarily make one a SERIAL KILLER of some sort.

yea, serial killer is a gift not for everyone... hehehe! but you can always be a born liar. what du think?

[jamesmusslewhite]

Quote: Originally Posted by NapoleonBlownapart because people are not justified before God by how "moral" they are.. All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Enoch, Job, Abraham, and Jesus were moral men of righteousness. So that is like 4 out of a possible 10 Billion that have been born. Yes there can be truly righteous people of moral standing but they still have original sin.

I know that I am not one and I can safe to say, that the odds are none of the other members on this forum can claim to be truly moral righteous people. Without you being either delusional, foolish, are a liar. That was why Jesus had to have his blood shed at the Hill of Skulls the place of his crusifiction. God being a perfect being can not look at us without seeing the filth of our sins. We have to be bathed in the blood of his beloved son so he can even look at us. Then when he looks at us he does not see the filth of sin, rather he sees the purity of the blood of his perfect son which he loves.

Those that were born before Christ or have never heard of Christ will be judged different than those that have heard of the Christ. Those that have heard his name and reject Christ will be judged hardest of all. It is a sliding scale, fair, just, and final. Not my rules, because I will be judged same as everyone else. I have a lot to be judged for, and probably Hell bound if not Graced by Christ and his Father. Faith is salvation, but salvation is hard to earn and easy to loose. I fall short of God's Grace every day and have to struggle constantly with this world to keep my faith. It is not enough to only say it, you have to live it, and that is the great internal struggle. That is the curse of Free Will.

[AmorsoloX]

Quote: Originally Posted by jamesmusslewhite Those that were born before Christ or have never heard of Christ will be judged different than those that have heard of the Christ. Those that have heard his name and reject Christ will be judged hardest of all. It is a sliding scale, fair, just, and final.

this is stupid.. kung ana man lang gani diay, so mas maau pa wala nalang gi preach far and wide and christianity para dili lisod pag judge

priest: believe in christ for he is your saviour, and follow all the church's rules.. those who heard his name but rejected him will go to hell for eternity..
eskimo: father, if i havent heard his name during life till i die, will i go to heaven?
priest: yes.. because it is physically imposible for you to have heard without us missionarries..
eskimo: then why d hell do you have to tell me his name? Screw you! langit na tana ko..

in a sliding scale.. there are different standards used.. just like in quantfication there is the english system and the SI system.. you cant say 1cm is equal to 1 inch..

there is no way the catholic church is the universal truth..

Enlightenment- the state of being able to see what is beyond good and evil..

[chad_tukes]

Quote: Originally Posted by AmorsoloX this is stupid.. kung ana man lang gani diay, so mas maau pa wala nalang gi preach far and wide and christianity para dili lisod pag judge priest: believe in christ for he is your saviour, and follow all the church's rules.. those who heard his name but rejected him will go to hell for eternity.. eskimo: father, if i havent heard his name during life till i die, will i go to heaven? priest: yes.. because it is physically imposible for you to have heard without us missionarries.. eskimo: then why d hell do you have to tell me his name? Screw you! langit na tana ko.. in a sliding scale.. there are different standards used.. just like in quantfication there is the english system and the SI system.. you cant say 1cm is equal to 1 inch.. there is no way the catholic church is the universal truth.. Enlightenment- the state of being able to see what is beyond good and evil..

let him be bro. he claims to know the answers like---who will be judged and who will NOT be judged; or who will be judged the HARDEST. hehehehe! it's like a beauty pageant... he already knows who will win.

[AmorsoloX]

by our fear of transgressing morality or the accepted norms, we have become docile like cows who readily follow a stronger person.. we never know even if we are being led to sluaghter..

truth will set you free.. but religions (especially the catholic church) only blind you with their illusion of truth so that you will see what they they want you to see and do what they want you to do..

the greatest failure in life is to be humble and mediocre.. blessed are those who are ambitious for they shall reap the riches of their earth...

[AmorsoloX]

Quote: Originally Posted by chad_tukes let him be bro. he claims to know the answers like---who will be judged and who will NOT be judged; or who will be judged the HARDEST. hehehehe! it's like a beauty pageant... he already knows who will win.

hahaha.. tinuod jud ka. mao ni nka daot nato mga pinoy.. grabe kaau ato mga ideas pero dili mo reflect sa ato actions.. nindut to ang thread nga why naapsan ta sa koreans didtu sa politics section.. mka iingon ko nga tungod sa ato sobra ka dyosnon. pobre na hinuon ta..

kining mga catoliko man gud mo sugot lang anang kinabuhi nga basta nlang.. cge ra og tawag og ginoo.. pero dha ra taman.. wa jud lihok. para nako, kita pinaka pobre sa asia kay kita ra katoliko..

[force_driven]

Quote: Originally Posted by chad_tukes GOD is like a heavenly surveillance camera who watches over people who do good things. GOD is like a police who punishes you when you are bad. question is, do we REALLY NEED policing --- in order to stop us from behaving in a selfish and criminal manner? hmmmmmm...

ahh..sa topa magbinut an lang diay ta tuod kay naay Ginoo...no it should not be like that...we do good things kay maayo man..dili kay tungod lag kay naay Ginoo. Kung tinuod jud ka na Kristyano, magbinut an ka kay maayo man... You do good things because you can make this world peaceful..Malipay ra ba c God kung peaceful d ba?

The end does not justify the means...

And reminders, I'm not an antichrist and antichurch, just setting some insights here...

[chad_tukes]

Quote: Originally Posted by force_driven ahh..sa topa magbinut an lang diay ta tuod kay naay Ginoo...no it should not be like that...we do good things kay maayo man..dili kay tungod lag kay naay Ginoo. Kung tinuod jud ka na Kristyano, magbinut an ka kay maayo man... You do good things because you can make this world peaceful..Malipay ra ba c God kung peaceful d ba? The end does not justify the means... And reminders, I'm not an antichrist and antichurch, just setting some insights here...

heheh... i'm not disagreeing with you. i share the same views.

and oh, i was being sarcastic with you on the other thread.

[chad_tukes]

Quote: Originally Posted by AmorsoloX hahaha.. tinuod jud ka. mao ni nka daot nato mga pinoy.. grabe kaau ato mga ideas pero dili mo reflect sa ato actions.. nindut to ang thread nga why naapsan ta sa koreans didtu sa politics section.. mka iingon ko nga tungod sa ato sobra ka dyosnon. pobre na hinuon ta.. kining mga catoliko man gud mo sugot lang anang kinabuhi nga basta nlang.. cge ra og tawag og ginoo.. pero dha ra taman.. wa jud lihok. para nako, kita pinaka pobre sa asia kay kita ra katoliko..

imo bro, not just Catholics, but pretty much every religion in the world are like that.

[force_driven]

Quote: Originally Posted by chad_tukes heheh... i'm not disagreeing with you. i share the same views. and oh, i was being sarcastic with you on the other thread.

nothing personal bro....I also love some of your arguments in some threads...well naa ra ba tay mga mga bisag unsa nga beliefs...

Basta, for sure motuo jud ko Ginoo...kung motuo sad kag Ginoo then good, we are on the same side...for sure believer sad ka...

[AmorsoloX]

ok ra man kung naa motoo or naa dili motoo..

ang walay au kay kanang naay mopugos nimo nga motoo or dili motoo..

pero para nako, ang pinaka walay au kay kanang pagtoo nga dili based on sound logic...
like "vote for pres. kawatan or mayor stupido kay maau ni cya nga christiano, or ayaw ipass ang only gwapo allowed bill kay contra ni sa atong pagtoo".. you get the drift..