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Originally Posted by chad_tukes
@Existanz and thethird79:
it is easy to blame it on the politics side of things and put aside the important role of religion. i ain't talking about history here---let's put that aside as it would take pages to discuss, but we have to discuss what is NOW. we see fundamentalist religion right before our very eyes. we don't even have to talk about WAR here---just see what's happening inside those muslim countries. the bigotry and sheer heartless cruelty imposed upon its people trying to convert to another religion is just one of too many examples. heard of Abdul Rahman? did he murder someone? no. all he did was change his mind. google what happened to him.
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Chad, whatever happened to a person like Abdul Rahman in a Muslim country is no different to what happened to those folks being run over by T-72's in Tienanmen's square in China a couple of years ago. I used to have a hard time trying to understand why people got their neck's chopped-off simply because they have a change of heart at what they believe.
Simply, if communism is for China then for a Muslim country Islam would be it...for a Muslim country, religion and government is rolled into one. As I see it, for a muslim in an Islamic country having their chopped-off because of change of faith is the same as those folks being incarcerated or terminated by firing squad because they cry democracy in a country establish by communism like North Korea. They're of course from both side of the coin but nonetheless on the same coin.
Now, who are we to say Islam or Communism is evil and shove Liberalism or Democracy to their guts because we 'think' it is good to us and why not for them too? I think this will fail, because we failed to realized what is the good that they see to which we consider as bad...
It seems that we who have a liberal outlook kind of looked down at them Islamic countries as if they are backwards societies with mindset still stuck in the stone age. Why? is it because they don't got any freedom to have wine, disco, casual seks, talk BS about our religion, sticking middle finger to just about anything and all that materialistic outlook that we got from being 'free'.
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Originally Posted by chad_tukes
ok, maybe saying that Religion is the cause of war may be too simplistic and you may be right. however, you can't ignore religion as one of the main ingredients of war (note: i'm talking about the war on terror). my friends, we see extremism and absolutism at its very core and it's disheartening to know such dangers nearly always result from religious faith.
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Would doing away with religion stops War to happen since you say that is one of the ingredients of war? No it will not. We can't be human without the wars...its a hard and evil fact. It is easy to dream a war free world but it will remain as that- a dream. Mao na gyud ni ang kalibutan, where there is good there's evil also.
The War on Terror...something had been achieve nowadays, being a muslim is almost synonymous to being a terrorist. What's the main reason why 9/11 happen? is it because majority of the people in the US are christians or as christian nation the US is trying to evangelized the Islamic world? If this is the reasons then we've got a religious wars in our hands. But no thats were not the reasons...
Most probably, the fault lies in the fact that extremist and absolutist in those Islamic countries resist the idea of their society being a muslim and at the same being liberals to which the west wanted it to be. Heck, how can you do that in an Islamic country- one can't really separates religion from the government, this is of course fundamentalism. But it seems in the media fundamentalism equates hatred and intolerance, because that all the pictures we are getting- good news are the bad things.
Now Iran is arming itself with nukes to defend that idea, that fundamentalism...but the seculars are playing the hatred card against them its all over the media nowadays, feeding the worlds Islamophobic to the max.
I remember how the media was harping about how the afghans freely watching tv, buying cellphones or things which was banned by the Talibans...as if these whats constitutes what it means really to be free. Yeah, free indeed from religion but now slave to commercialism and materialistic world view...
Lantaw ra gud ning mga pinoy ug ang ilang mentality kung unsa para nila ang meaning sa 'Poor'...hehehe..mahirap daw ang buhay kay di kapalit ug Iphone...mantenir lang man siya ug 3310 nga cp..yaiks! Pag-ka materialistic na lang gyud nato ron...this is what those extremist is resisting from being happening their Islamic fiefdom to which the secular west wanted to promote indirectly of course but that's how those fundamentalist sees it.
11-11-2009, 11:11 AM
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