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[bluedes]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic what do you mean supernatural does not exist in TS? what about the theosophical prinicple of man having different bodies that exist in different planes( etheric,astral,causal) and the lesson about the power of thoughts? these are teachings that clearly indicate that TS believes in the supernatural. let me quote lesson 9 titled THE POWER OF THOUGHT from the book Introductory Study Course in Theosophy by Emogene S. Simons, "Even the causal thinker may come sufficiently in contact with such phenomena as thought transference and other evidences of E.S.P...."

and you call that supernatural? sorry to disappoint you bro, but perhaps na mislead lng ka sa imong understanding of principle of man having different bodies in different planes.. its not to be taken na its supposed to have super powers..

the power of thought is powerful mainly because it is a messaging system in the mental plane of existence. emotions are powerful too.. and it has its own messaging system.

most people are not aware of their mental and emotional existence.. they live their lives exchanging thoughts and emotions, but they're are not aware how they are even exchanging thoughts and emotions.. they usually confuse it with the physical expression most of the times.. even letting the physical expression cloud their judgment of the real emotional/mental message..

TS has a different way of presenting these topics, and to the newcomer, it will seem like it is mystical and occult.. which is fair enough in a way.. but its not mystical or occult.. it is esoteric though, in a sense that it is supposed to be obvious but nobody is aware of it.. so its hidden in plain sight. it is as natural as the atoms in our physical existence.

thought transference is a messaging system of the mental plane. emotional transference is another messaging system.. but the physical system has big part on this also.. so true emotions is really hard to decipher..

whenever we talk or speak, we are already exchanging our thoughts which is beyond the physical can do.. you capture my thoughts, i capture yours.. it is a phenomena because no physical/chemical reaction takes place yet i am able to receive your thought messages as best as i can interpret them..

extra sensory perception is beyond the discussion of my capacity, because i have no words to describe it.. its better experienced in my opinion.. but some people out there have written about it scientifically, and not supernaturally.. try not to interpret them in supernatural ways.. mabiased man gud atong understanding if initially we already looking for something supernatural..

on other fields, look up cognitive science, its an emerging branch that will deal with ESP. TS has just mentioned those way advanced than our time..

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic review Annie Beasant's Thought Power and its control and culture chapter 3 thought tranference it doesnt matter what you believe, ang teaching sa TS is what we are after. we are told that thoughts can influence matter and energies. if that's the case then these people who radiates thoughts of protection,propserity, peace, love and etc. could have influenced the rage of bagyong ondoy and made it stop. don't you think? then apil pod ang mga christians, ga ampo pod to sila ato nga panahon. so with all these energies pointed to one intention so there was a great possibility nga naa toy effect.

yes, it does.. thoughts influence matter and energy all the time.. you're not aware of it, because most of the time, its in automatic pilot..

but it is also counter-intuitive.. when *you* begin to think, it will cease to take effect. that's why i dont buy into those "we prayed and it happened and in some way we should be credited.." that's plain BS and ridiculousness..

a true prayer is not the *you* speaking, but the I in you.. the universal I, and it never utters such egoistic claims..

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic oh yes you are fishing for a fight. and i did comment back. ayaw sige ug binata dong. my ego is bruised? go ahead comfort yourself with those words, hahaha. my one sentence response signifies that I have no intention of lowering myself to your baser self. no need for explanation dong. I can see clearly now what you are really made of. yes i am fanatically defending this Order like the way you are fanatically defending your BELIEF, sorry dong binata ra kaayo ng style nimo.

*sigh* nevermind.. just say what you want to say and believe what you want to believe in..

like what regnauld has said.. i'm not fanatically defending anything.. not even Theosophy.. I guess you guys will have a hard time understanding that..

i'll give this to you though.. if your show of antagonism here will help establish or prove your loyalty to that Order, by all means bro, you can antagonize as much as you want.. i will concede..

take care always..

[bluedes]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic so? ngano man diay kong mo react siya? entitled man siya ana? as a theosophist unta if you truly believe sa "brotherhood brotherhood" you could have let it pass na lang. pero di jud, react jud kay igo man imong ego nga feeling high and mighty pod. review your post dong kung wala ba kay bati nga comment. you know very well what kind of reaction you get if you used words like BS, hocus pocus and others. ako for the past days I shut up kay di ko gusto mo apil then nag pasalamt ko nga nahilom na...nya post dayun si regnauld ug ikaw,sus balik na pod ang away. hilom na lang oi, ayaw na sigeg yaw yaw.

likewise bro, if mi-post man xa ato, i'm also entitled to my freedom of speech.. you talk of brotherhood but do you really know what it means?

my ego na-igo? i am merely commenting with reason.. on the contrary, wala man na-igo akong igo.. pero ganahan ko mu-comment.. i have freedom to exercise my speech.. we're just here to express our feelings and stand.. if you have a problem with my expression, then i guess its your problem.. i did not attack the person, i criticized his words and ways of speech (using my critical thinking).. you cannot see that, that's why you think you're being attacked.. nobody's attacking you.. nobody can attack you.. its only you thinking you're being attacked..

so what if I use the words BS, hocus-pocus? the english language is at my disposal.. those are harsh words, i know, but it fits just right what i feel about those things.. i'm very strong with my words, precisely because it is coupled not only with emotional sting, but also with intellectual sting. kung na-igo ka, and retaliate like this, then all the more i guess what i said was right..

if there is understanding, there is no more hurt or pain.. but if there is still hurt or pain, then there's still misunderstanding..

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic and? you think that ang teaching sa Order about supernatural is pareho anang harry potter magic? investigate first, donh before ka mo accuse of something bati. im sorry, i rather listen to people nga dugay na sa mysticism and have acheived a certain adeptness but salamt sa imong lesson.

oh, i never claimed na parehas anang harry potter magic.. the mere word na magic already classifies it as hocus-pocus.. which is why i find it ridiculous..

oh, i dont expect you to listen to me.. who am I na angay nimo paminawon.. in fact, its kinda obvious you're not listening to anything i'm saying here..

but anyway, i'm just sharing what i learned..

and without further ado.. i concede.. again, if it helps you establish your "membership" with that Order, by all means, antagonize/defend as much as you want.. if it helps..

[Malic]

Quote: Originally Posted by bluedes and you call that supernatural? sorry to disappoint you bro, but perhaps na mislead lng ka sa imong understanding of principle of man having different bodies in different planes.. its not to be taken na its supposed to have super powers..

oh did i say superpowers? don't misrepresent my view bluedes. review my post if there was even a mention of superpowers.

Quote: the power of thought is powerful mainly because it is a messaging system in the mental plane of existence. emotions are powerful too.. and it has its own messaging system.

i know that, before I started in TS I was initiated in the Tantric Yoga of Ananda Marga and there I had experiences of reaching higher conciousness not illumination ha basin ma misquote na pod nimo.

Quote: most people are not aware of their mental and emotional existence.. they live their lives exchanging thoughts and emotions, but they're are not aware how they are even exchanging thoughts and emotions.. they usually confuse it with the physical expression most of the times.. even letting the physical expression cloud their judgment of the real emotional/mental message.. TS has a different way of presenting these topics, and to the newcomer, it will seem like it is mystical and occult.. which is fair enough in a way.. but its not mystical or occult.. it is esoteric though, in a sense that it is supposed to be obvious but nobody is aware of it.. so its hidden in plain sight. it is as natural as the atoms in our physical existence.

don't play with words bluedes. you think that im thinking power powers diri? hahaha. ipadaplin lagi ng prejudices nimo. investigate sa, ayaw pataka ug yaw yaw.

and you think that the Order has no scientific explanations for such things? tsk tsk...you have never read the monographs and you are accusing us of practising harry potter magic? or hocus pocus? tsk tsk...VERY UNFAIR.

go back and read Annie Besant's work.

Quote: thought transference is a messaging system of the mental plane. emotional transference is another messaging system.. but the physical system has big part on this also.. so true emotions is really hard to decipher.. whenever we talk or speak, we are already exchanging our thoughts which is beyond the physical can do.. you capture my thoughts, i capture yours.. it is a phenomena because no physical/chemical reaction takes place yet i am able to receive your thought messages as best as i can interpret them.. extra sensory perception is beyond the discussion of my capacity, because i have no words to describe it.. its better experienced in my opinion.. but some people out there have written about it scientifically, and not supernaturally.. try not to interpret them in supernatural ways.. mabiased man gud atong understanding if initially we already looking for something supernatural.. on other fields, look up cognitive science, its an emerging branch that will deal with ESP. TS has just mentioned those way advanced than our time..

and you think this is not supernatural (beyond natural) tsk tsk. haha. this is what the Oder also teaches. We don't even encourage psychism, the battlecry is cosmic illumination (inner-self awakening) and development of multiple intelligence.

Quote: yes, it does.. thoughts influence matter and energy all the time.. you're not aware of it, because most of the time, its in automatic pilot.. but it is also counter-intuitive.. when *you* begin to think, it will cease to take effect. that's why i dont buy into those "we prayed and it happened and in some way we should be credited.." that's plain BS and ridiculousness.. a true prayer is not the *you* speaking, but the I in you.. the universal I, and it never utters such egoistic claims..

if that's the case then something can really happen when we focus our thoguhts on something like effecting change on matter. It doesnt matter what one uses as long as the idea of thought transference is there. may it be prayer, meditation and others...

Quote: *sigh* nevermind.. just say what you want to say and believe what you want to believe in.. like what regnauld has said.. i'm not fanatically defending anything.. not even Theosophy.. I guess you guys will have a hard time understanding that.. i'll give this to you though.. if your show of antagonism here will help establish or prove your loyalty to that Order, by all means bro, you can antagonize as much as you want.. i will concede.. take care always..

you are not fanatically defending your BELIEF? hay nako blue...better tell that to the marines.

oh yes i will defend the Order and I had defended the society its just that, this thing i am in right now with you is something else. this is not to prove something but this is a show of disappointment towards someone i consider a theosophist who's one objective is Universal brotherhood. to achieve that you need tolerance bluedes.

[Malic]

Quote: Originally Posted by bluedes likewise bro, if mi-post man xa ato, i'm also entitled to my freedom of speech.. you talk of brotherhood but do you really know what it means?

sure but his post was not directed to you, do you understand that? sure i do, do you? one objective in theosophy is UNIVERSAL brotherhood. do you reall know what it means? or brotherhood lang within the walls of theosophy ang imong nasabtan?

Quote: my ego na-igo? i am merely commenting with reason.. on the contrary, wala man na-igo akong igo.. pero ganahan ko mu-comment.. i have freedom to exercise my speech.. we're just here to express our feelings and stand.. if you have a problem with my expression, then i guess its your problem.. i did not attack the person, i criticized his words and ways of speech (using my critical thinking).. you cannot see that, that's why you think you're being attacked.. nobody's attacking you.. nobody can attack you.. its only you thinking you're being attacked..

igo kaayo imong ego blue, then obvious kaayo imong denial. yes yes you have the freedom by all means but excercise that freedom in a way nga dili masakitan ang oban. wala ka naghunahuna ana? besides dili man ikaw ang gi target ato iyang post.

Quote: so what if I use the words BS, hocus-pocus? the english language is at my disposal.. those are harsh words, i know, but it fits just right what i feel about those things.. i'm very strong with my words, precisely because it is coupled not only with emotional sting, but also with intellectual sting. kung na-igo ka, and retaliate like this, then all the more i guess what i said was right.. if there is understanding, there is no more hurt or pain.. but if there is still hurt or pain, then there's still misunderstanding..

wow, i cant believe that im hearing this from you. okay go ahead use those words and i hope that you are happy with it. you are not thinking blue, i am so disappointed.

Quote: oh, i never claimed na parehas anang harry potter magic.. the mere word na magic already classifies it as hocus-pocus.. which is why i find it ridiculous.. oh, i dont expect you to listen to me.. who am I na angay nimo paminawon.. in fact, its kinda obvious you're not listening to anything i'm saying here.. but anyway, i'm just sharing what i learned.. and without further ado.. i concede.. again, if it helps you establish your "membership" with that Order, by all means, antagonize/defend as much as you want.. if it helps..

you did not, tsk tsk.

i am listening to someone nga dugay na sa mysticism and have produced results and have attained certain degree of adeptness.

are we not all called to defend The Society? defending the Order to established my membership is not what this is about. this is a show of disappointment towards you.

[bluedes]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic oh did i say superpowers? don't misrepresent my view bluedes. review my post if there was even a mention of superpowers.

you talk of supernatural.. normally, when people talk of supernatural, it carries with it powers beyond the natural.. that you claim abilities beyond what normal people can do.. it's just following that simple logic..

u see i don't believe in supernatural.. everything i read in TS is not interpreted as supernatural.. i try my best to understand it as naturally occurring in our universe.. i don't talk of magic or any hocus-pocus.. when the discussion begins to become magic or hocus-pocus to me, i don't engage in that discussion anymore because the meaning of that is just ridiculous.. it is a personal experience that can only be understood when the other has also experienced that what i have experienced.

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic i know that, before I started in TS I was initiated in the Tantric Yoga of Ananda Marga and there I had experiences of reaching higher conciousness not illumination ha basin ma misquote na pod nimo.

whatever group you have joined before I have nothing to do with that..

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic don't play with words bluedes. you think that im thinking power powers diri? hahaha. ipadaplin lagi ng prejudices nimo. investigate sa, ayaw pataka ug yaw yaw.

i don't play with words bro.. kung nasayop man gani ko.. give an explanation.. are u giving one? or just responding again with your limited sentences..

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic and you think that the Order has no scientific explanations for such things? tsk tsk...you have never read the monographs and you are accusing us of practising harry potter magic? or hocus pocus? tsk tsk...VERY UNFAIR. go back and read Annie Besant's work.

mao bitaw explain.. para masabtan.. pero you keep in secrecy.. that is exactly the opposite of the discipline I belong to.. there is no such thing as secret information.. what is the purpose of that? just so madecieve ang masses?

that's why there's the open source movement, and there's also the open publication of scientific works.. and you claim that what your saying is scientific.. do you even have journals or papers to back up your explanations? I'd like to see that..

and for your information, I know what a monograph is.. have you read monographs of actually distinguished scientists in our time? or you're just reading monographs of supposedly "mystical" and "occult" persons? lahi ra jud baya kung basahon nimo ang former kaysa latter... and you know that yourself.

please back up your statement with scientific results and experimental data or a rigorous formulation of such principles.. state your references bro.. unfortunately, we cannot reference Annie Besant's work at the moment because its not even accepted by the scientific community.. so please stop talking thrash-talk and start giving some sensible explanation..

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic and you think this is not supernatural (beyond natural) tsk tsk. haha. this is what the Oder also teaches. We don't even encourage psychism, the battlecry is cosmic illumination (inner-self awakening) and development of multiple intelligence.

good for your Order if it teaches that.. but it sure isn't showing up.. by "ganging" up on Lovely Charm and expulsion of certain members deemed "unfit" or "unloyal", is that a display of cosmic illumination? I guess not.. you talk of multiple intelligences, but are you even aware of the consequences of multiple intelligences, what changes it will affect in your inner being?

what is intelligence to you anyway?

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic if that's the case then something can really happen when we focus our thoguhts on something like effecting change on matter. It doesnt matter what one uses as long as the idea of thought transference is there. may it be prayer, meditation and others...

hehe.. that's the illusion bro.. you think you are focusing your thoughts on something that's affecting change in matter, and you don't care how one uses as long as there's transference.. well, you're already allowing the possibility of the selfish ego to drive the thought transference that is supposed to control matter/energy.. and you think Nature will just allow you to do that?

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic you are not fanatically defending your BELIEF? hay nako blue...better tell that to the marines. oh yes i will defend the Order and I had defended the society its just that, this thing i am in right now with you is something else. this is not to prove something but this is a show of disappointment towards someone i consider a theosophist who's one objective is Universal brotherhood. to achieve that you need tolerance bluedes.

sorry to disappoint you bro.. but i'm not defending my belief or some named society.. go ahead, show your disappointment in whatever means or ways until you feel satisfied with yourself..

this is a discussion forum..

aside from tolerance, is there anything else that I need?

[bluedes]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic sure but his post was not directed to you, do you understand that? sure i do, do you? one objective in theosophy is UNIVERSAL brotherhood. do you reall know what it means? or brotherhood lang within the walls of theosophy ang imong nasabtan?

whether it was personally directed to me or not, I still have the freedom to exercise my speech..
my response was very thorough and critical of what he posted.. I did not lambast at his comments.. I dissected it and responded to the best of my critical thinking and reason.. I would have wanted to hear what his further response is.. in fact, its quite good and well that he edited his post and tried to explain.. but he became silent after that other person reprimanded him..

again you talk of brotherhood, but do you really understand what that means?

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic igo kaayo imong ego blue, then obvious kaayo imong denial. yes yes you have the freedom by all means but excercise that freedom in a way nga dili masakitan ang oban. wala ka naghunahuna ana? besides dili man ikaw ang gi target ato iyang post.

aww, mao diay na ang imong gika-worry-han, na mahurt ang tao kung naa mu criticize sa iyang posts? if that's the case, maypa wala na lng jud mupost para walay critical assessment..

the problem with this is that gi-associate man gud ang post sa ego sa person.. if i-criticize ang iyang post, gi-misinterpret na dayon na gi-attack ang person.. and it usually is the case when the person responds not anymore by critical analysis, but by directly attacking the one critiquing instead.. mawagtang na ang flow of discussion..

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic wow, i cant believe that im hearing this from you. okay go ahead use those words and i hope that you are happy with it. you are not thinking blue, i am so disappointed.

you're too attached to the preconceived meanings of words and not comprehending the mental/emotional message behind..

it's good that you're disappointed..
i kinda feel bad that i've no disappointment towards you..

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic you did not, tsk tsk. i am listening to someone nga dugay na sa mysticism and have produced results and have attained certain degree of adeptness. are we not all called to defend The Society? defending the Order to established my membership is not what this is about. this is a show of disappointment towards you.

honestly, that part of TS is very very ambiguous.. what do you mean by "called to defend The Society"? it is contradictory for a society to have no dogmas and asked to defend it.. that's why its ambiguous.. you'll find your meaning of what that means, i've already found my own..

so let me get this straight.. you feel now that you should publicly announce and continuously repeat that you are disappointed towards me? are you my father? are you even my mentor? (and talk about brotherhood, do you even put a critical analysis of why you're disappointed?)

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anyway, go ahead.. go to your guru.. and make use of him according to your goals .. nobody's stopping you.. after you have learned from your guru, do share your knowledge and multiple intelligences to everyone else here..

[Malic]

i have so much to say to you john but i have to abide by the order given by the Order, not to post here anymore.

[bluedes]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic i have so much to say to you john but i have to abide by the order given by the Order, not to post here anymore.

that's good that you follow the order given by your Order..
this time, I am a bit disappointed.. but all good and well.. its a good disappointment anyway..

and for that, kudos to your Order.. someone up high is truly wise and really influential to reprimand you guys..

take care bro..
and may you be happy in wherever and whatever you do..

[bookman21]

hello!!!1

[Malic]

Quote: Originally Posted by bookman21 hello!!!1

your inbox is full frater it can no longer received more private message.

the answer is YES.

[bluedes]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic your inbox is full frater it can no longer received more private message. the answer is YES.

i thought this board should be deleted..

anyway, its good to hear you have secured your membership with that Order bro..

[bluedes]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic your inbox is full frater it can no longer received more private message. the answer is YES.

so you are really Kebot and KebotDiNaMute.. how hilariously ridiculous this is..

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