Islam 101

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Quote: Originally Posted by keeper_of _the_key so ok naman kaha close nata..?

nope! not yet.. i think there some other users to contribute this tread.

just leave this open for sharing of ideas

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic i am not giving my opinion...the Qur'an also has a record of Jesus Miracles. what's the point? the truth is he performed a miracle and that's the proof of his prophetic office.

"the Qur'an also has a record of Jesus Miracles. "
--- Please show us... not blah blah blah and blah.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic im not teaching... oh I know my answer...but I want you to find it for yourself. Mas nindot man gud ng naa moy effort to find out kung unsa ang tinood. If you want to study Islam...come to our Islamic Center and there I will teach you free of charge and with Verses.

How are you able to sell when you cant even present a brochure? by faith... nah pass c kebot. It seems there is nothing we can learn from you malic. Stop pretending you know because right now there was nothing we can read, just BLAH BLAH BLAH and BLAH.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic pasabton tika red ha.... Ako I have read the bible and kasabot pod ko kung unsay nakasulat diha. That's why I dont ask bible verses from any Christians kay whenever they state a Christian principle kabalo ko sa mga verses kung asa na nila gi base ang ilang arguments. why? because ga toon ko sa bible. And that's what I want you to do...study Islam para kung mag discuss ta diretso diretso na. binata man gud ng...beh beh beh..give me a verse beh....that's for amateurs...

Mao ni gi ingon Bible gani storyaan daghan verses mahatag oi, KURAN NA GANI. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH and BLAH. why is that. Maybe you are no muslim at all, pretending to be one.

[Malic]

Quote: Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute How are you able to sell when you cant even present a brochure? by faith... nah pass c kebot. It seems there is nothing we can learn from you malic. Stop pretending you know because right now there was nothing we can read, just BLAH BLAH BLAH and BLAH.

sorry im not selling Islam. I am not also trying to make you learn Islam. Sorry to disappoint you.

Quote: Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute Mao ni gi ingon Bible gani storyaan daghan verses mahatag oi, KURAN NA GANI. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH and BLAH. why is that. Maybe you are no muslim at all, pretending to be one.

maybe I am no Muslim.

google can come in handy kebs...since you use google for trying to look for anti-Islamic arguments then use it to study Islam.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic sorry im not selling Islam. I am not also trying to make you learn Islam. Sorry to disappoint you. maybe I am no Muslim. google can come in handy kebs...since you use google for trying to look for anti-Islamic arguments then use it to study Islam.

We all know how to find the answers, but its not about it brad, its about you representing something. if on this thread is about GOOGLE then no point of talking to you. Sometimes we want people to tell in their own experience.

If you cannot provide us with it.. I don't see a point asking questions to you... gud luck nalang brad. You were given the opportunity to speak for you belief but u just cut it loose. Well its not our loss.

Because right now brad we are concerned about your belief. Boom here and there, no explanation what so ever, they just said they condemns. Don't you think people are dumb enough to believe in you? Well if you are not here to explain your belief we don't even care either what happen to your religion. Sad thing is your religion gave the world a bad impression on the belief of RELIGION. Its all because of whats going on. If this is what I see on you FAITH then so be it.

[Malic]

Quote: Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute We all know how to find the answers, but its not about it brad, its about you representing something. if on this thread is about GOOGLE then no point of talking to you. Sometimes we want people to tell in their own experience. If you cannot provide us with it.. I don't see a point asking questions to you... gud luck nalang brad. You were given the opportunity to speak for you belief but u just cut it loose. Well its not our loss.

good that you know how to find the answers.

I can provide but I want you to look for it.

pls kebs...I can speak about my belief anywhere and anytime I want to. BTW daghan na pod ko na sulti about my beliefs e try ug dig ang mga thread kebs...


and hey, I am not into winning and losing...mao diay ni imo mentality kebs...tsk tsk...

[pigrah]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic How one becomes a Muslim? To be a Muslim one has to make a declaration of the Islamic faith in the public or in the presence of witnesses who are Muslims. Anyone can be a Muslim if he/she wishes so. Chinese,Americans,Mexicans,Australians, any ethnicity are welcome as long as you enter by your own will. But first you must study Islam. How do you study Islam? Go to an Islamic Center or check the internet for websites that teaches Islam and not on forums. Effort is the key here. Islam is not into " stirring " people's emotion, we don't have praise and worship bands to attract the people. We don't promised people that if you give seed money you'll get rich and all your problems and diseases will be healed. Islam is looking for sincere followers and that sincerity is best express when one sits with a teacher and not on forums.

I STRONGLY AGREE!

[tatakalz]

uhmmmmmp..balik ta sa topic..

[tatakalz]

in response sa thread in islam who is jesus?...

let me share my poor attempts...

Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity:
Seeing both Religions...

Jesus is arguably the most influential and debated man in history. Not only does he play the central role in Christianity, the world’s largest religion, he also is a major figure in Islam, the world’s second largest religion. However, although Jesus plays a critical role in both Christianity and Islam, and while the Christian and Islamic views of Jesus have much in common, there also exist some significant differences between his status, role, and mission.
Firstly, a brief overview of traditional Christian views of Jesus. Most Christians believe Jesus was the son of God and the messiah; that he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary; and that he was both “fully man and fully God”. Moreover, Christians believe that although he suffered from all the temptations of a man, Jesus never sinned and that he proved his divinity with his death and resurrection. Jesus is reputed to have performed various miracles in his time including changing water into wine, healing numerous illnesses, and raising a man from the dead. A core Christian belief is that through Jesus’ death and resurrection, sinful humans have hope at salvation if they accept Jesus as their savior. Lastly, most Christians believe Jesus will return to Earth in the Second Coming and will trigger aspects of the messianic prophecy.
"Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" (Quran 3:45-4).
Let’s begin with the birth of Jesus. Muslim sources agree that Jesus was indeed born to the Virgin Mary, through a virginal conception. The Quran claims that the Angel Gabriel visited Mary and announced to her that she would give birth to Jesus, whom God would greatly bless. Moreover, the Quran claims Jesus was able to speak while still an infant, a sign of his extraordinary status. However, Muslims claim that just because Jesus did not have a father per se, does not believe that the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ father or that Jesus was the Son of God. Muslims believe that like Adam before him, God created Jesus from “nothing”, therefore he had no father like Adam had no parents. Rather than being viewed as the Son of God, Jesus is viewed as one of the 5 greatest prophets of Islam (Along with Muhammad, Abraham, Moses, and Noah). Muslims reject the notion of the divinity of Christ as polytheism.
“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against God, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between. He created what He pleases. For God hath power over all things. (Quran 5:17)”
In Islamic theology Jesus’ mission and message was to preach monotheism and worship of God. Muslims believe God strengthened Jesus by giving him the ability to perform various miracles including the ability to breathe life into stone birds, curing numerous illness’, and raising the dead. Muslims believed God revealed the Gospel to Jesus; however, they also believe the early Christians and Jews “corrupted” the Bible both in text and interpretation, therefore the Bible we know today is different than the original Bible revealed to Jesus 2000 years ago. Muslims believes various parts of the Bible, notably those pertaining to Jesus’ divinity, were added in or altered for political and/or personal reasons by early Christians shortly after Jesus’ death.
The second biggest difference between the Christian and Muslim accounts of Jesus is that of his death and resurrection. While most Christians believe Jesus was crucified, died for humanities sins, and was resurrected three days later, Muslims blatantly reject this. Muslims do not believe in “original sin” and therefore do not believe Jesus was ever crucified for man’s sins. Instead, the Quran states that although the Romans arrested Jesus and were planning on crucifying him, God rescued Jesus and Jesus ascended to heaven without ever actually being crucified. Muslims differ on the details, but the consensus is either someone was crucified in Jesus’ place or God made it appear as if the crucifixion had gone through.
“Surely they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise. (Quran 4:157)”
Overall, Muslims reject the notion of the trinity and thereby Jesus’ divinity. Islamic texts regard Jesus as a righteous messenger of God, but reject him as being God or the begotten Son of God. Muslims believe that the Christian’s views of Jesus are the results of corruption in their scripture. Islam views Jesus as a great prophet, yet at the same time an ordinary human being who preached that salvation came through submission to God's will and worshiping God alone. Thus, Jesus is considered in Islam to have been a Muslim, as with all prophets in Islam.

Good day...

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to all muslim bros. share mo diha..

[tatakalz]

^bro refer to this thread...

http://www.istorya.net/forums/spirit...-101-a-36.html (Islam 101)

[kebotDiNaMute]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic good that you know how to find the answers. I can provide but I want you to look for it. pls kebs...I can speak about my belief anywhere and anytime I want to. BTW daghan na pod ko na sulti about my beliefs e try ug dig ang mga thread kebs... and hey, I am not into winning and losing...mao diay ni imo mentality kebs...tsk tsk...

hehehe, winning loosing is out of my scope. Wow, you speak about your baseless belief? hmmm... brad don't have time to dig up non-sense... just show it.... if there is nothing more you can show us then thats it...why is it hard to say, I don't know, or I cant answer it because im tired... what ever.... brad we don't need a 6 pages to come up with an answer to this thread. If there is just no context then its not possible to adapt something outside the content, it can but it becomes an offshoot. hmm...

and brad don't expect us to dig up your muslim info... because its not our obligation to inform... if we are not informed, then leave us to impression to think whats happening to your world. I hope this is fair.

[pigrah]

^ this wraps it all in the thread "in Islam, who is Jesus"
i balhin na lang ni tatakalz para makabalo cla...

[tatakalz]

let me share my poor attempts...

Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity:
Seeing both Religions...

Jesus is arguably the most influential and debated man in history. Not only does he play the central role in Christianity, the world’s largest religion, he also is a major figure in Islam, the world’s second largest religion. However, although Jesus plays a critical role in both Christianity and Islam, and while the Christian and Islamic views of Jesus have much in common, there also exist some significant differences between his status, role, and mission.
Firstly, a brief overview of traditional Christian views of Jesus. Most Christians believe Jesus was the son of God and the messiah; that he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary; and that he was both “fully man and fully God”. Moreover, Christians believe that although he suffered from all the temptations of a man, Jesus never sinned and that he proved his divinity with his death and resurrection. Jesus is reputed to have performed various miracles in his time including changing water into wine, healing numerous illnesses, and raising a man from the dead. A core Christian belief is that through Jesus’ death and resurrection, sinful humans have hope at salvation if they accept Jesus as their savior. Lastly, most Christians believe Jesus will return to Earth in the Second Coming and will trigger aspects of the messianic prophecy.
"Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" (Quran 3:45-4).
Let’s begin with the birth of Jesus. Muslim sources agree that Jesus was indeed born to the Virgin Mary, through a virginal conception. The Quran claims that the Angel Gabriel visited Mary and announced to her that she would give birth to Jesus, whom God would greatly bless. Moreover, the Quran claims Jesus was able to speak while still an infant, a sign of his extraordinary status. However, Muslims claim that just because Jesus did not have a father per se, does not believe that the Holy Spirit was Jesus’ father or that Jesus was the Son of God. Muslims believe that like Adam before him, God created Jesus from “nothing”, therefore he had no father like Adam had no parents. Rather than being viewed as the Son of God, Jesus is viewed as one of the 5 greatest prophets of Islam (Along with Muhammad, Abraham, Moses, and Noah). Muslims reject the notion of the divinity of Christ as polytheism.
“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against God, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between. He created what He pleases. For God hath power over all things. (Quran 5:17)”
In Islamic theology Jesus’ mission and message was to preach monotheism and worship of God. Muslims believe God strengthened Jesus by giving him the ability to perform various miracles including the ability to breathe life into stone birds, curing numerous illness’, and raising the dead. Muslims believed God revealed the Gospel to Jesus; however, they also believe the early Christians and Jews “corrupted” the Bible both in text and interpretation, therefore the Bible we know today is different than the original Bible revealed to Jesus 2000 years ago. Muslims believes various parts of the Bible, notably those pertaining to Jesus’ divinity, were added in or altered for political and/or personal reasons by early Christians shortly after Jesus’ death.
The second biggest difference between the Christian and Muslim accounts of Jesus is that of his death and resurrection. While most Christians believe Jesus was crucified, died for humanities sins, and was resurrected three days later, Muslims blatantly reject this. Muslims do not believe in “original sin” and therefore do not believe Jesus was ever crucified for man’s sins. Instead, the Quran states that although the Romans arrested Jesus and were planning on crucifying him, God rescued Jesus and Jesus ascended to heaven without ever actually being crucified. Muslims differ on the details, but the consensus is either someone was crucified in Jesus’ place or God made it appear as if the crucifixion had gone through.
“Surely they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise. (Quran 4:157)”
Overall, Muslims reject the notion of the trinity and thereby Jesus’ divinity. Islamic texts regard Jesus as a righteous messenger of God, but reject him as being God or the begotten Son of God. Muslims believe that the Christian’s views of Jesus are the results of corruption in their scripture. Islam views Jesus as a great prophet, yet at the same time an ordinary human being who preached that salvation came through submission to God's will and worshiping God alone. Thus, Jesus is considered in Islam to have been a Muslim, as with all prophets in Islam.

Good day...