Islam 101

[yorts]

Quote: Originally Posted by sanggano_boy Yes, you're right that Jesus never spoke about violating or changing any Mosaic law. But he can give new commandments? John 13:34 A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. Mark 7:18 "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? Salvation of soul is more important than eating pork! Paul knew about this things. because the Lord Jesus Christ commissioned him to be the apostle for the gentiles Acts 22:21 21"Then the Lord said to me, 'Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles.' " How can you say that Paul heretic?. The fact that Peter mentioned Paul's letter. 2 Peter 3:15-16 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction That's why the Jews persecuted the Christians because they can't accept their testimony. But the apostles knew what's the truth. They have witness the great revelation of God through Jesus Christ.

Please read Mark 7:1-23 to really know the whole story and not just a single verse.

First, the context of Mark 7 was the Pharisees complaint that Jesus' disciples did not wash their hands in the tradition of the elders (Mark 7:1-3)--it had nothing to do with unclean meats. If it did, the Pharisees would have most likely raised this charge against Jesus when they brought Jesus before Pilate. In case Jesus' meaning was unclear, in Matthew's synoptic account he plainly taught what He meant: "to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man" (Matt 15:20).

Secondly, Jesus did not consider all animals to be food. If Jesus declared all animals to be clean, would the Bible still use unclean animals as symbols of uncleanliness? In Matt 13:47-48, Jesus tells a parable about fishing with a net and catching "every kind" and then separating the good from the bad; possibly meaning the clean from the unclean--there would be no "bad" if Jesus was declaring all meats as clean. In Luk 11:11-12, Jesus teaches that bread, fish, and eggs, but not stones, serpents (snakes, an unclean animal), or scorpions are good for food (see parallel account in Matt 7:9-11). Unclean animals are never mentioned as food anywhere in the New Testament--they are either mentioned as beasts of burden (Jn 12:15) or mentioned in a negative fashion (Matt 7:9-11; Luk 11:11-12; Rev 16:13; 18:2).

Thirdly, after the incident in Mar 7 (and Mat 15) Jesus said, "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel" (Mat 23:24). Thus Jesus apparently still considered gnats and camels to be unclean, thus this verifies that He never declared all animals to be clean.


But I like pork. Will God destroy me if I eat it?

"For, behold, the Lord will come with fire ... and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves ... eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord." Isaiah 66:15-17.

Answer:

This may be shocking, but it is true and must be told. The Bible positively states that all who eat "swine's flesh," the "mouse," and other unclean things that are an "abomination" will be destroyed with fire at the coming of the Lord. When God says to leave something alone and not eat it, we should by all means obey Him. After all, the mere eating of a piece of forbidden fruit by Adam and Eve, a sinless couple, brought sin and death to this world in the first place. Can anyone say it doesn't matter, when God so clearly shows it does? God says men will be destroyed because they "chose that in which I delighted not." Isaiah 66:4.


But didn't this law of clean and unclean animals originate at Sinai? Wasn't it for the Jews only, and didn't it end at the cross?

"And the Lord said unto Noah, ... Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens ... and of beasts that are not clean by two." Genesis 7:1, 2.

Answer:

No indeed! The Bible has ample evidence that there were clean and unclean animals from the very dawn of Creation. Noah lived long before any Jews existed, but he knew of the clean and unclean, because he took into the ark the clean animals by "sevens" and the unclean by "twos." Revelation 18:2 refers to some birds as being unclean just before the second coming of Christ. The death of Christ had no altering effect whatever on these health laws, since the Bible says that all who break them will be destroyed when Jesus returns (Isaiah 66:15-17). The Jew's stomach and digestive system in no way differs from that of a Gentile. These health laws are for all people for all time.

[pigrah]

Quote: Originally Posted by cromagnon mao bitaw , dili sad nato kataw-an ang muslim , kay cla mao atong lolo sa lolo sa lolo . ato lng cla palawayon sa lechon, humba, sisig, sinugbang baboy hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm.... u miss half ur life ug dili mo moka-on baboy. giluod ang mga muslim ahhahahahahaa

alegre manis dodong crom woi
dli man mga muslim ang mag miss half of thier lives kun dli mukaon ug baboy--nabali guro nimo

[cromagnon]

^joke is a joke btaw , let's not make it serious . nor disrespect others.

"Men cant live by pork alone."

aheheheheeh

[redline]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic wow what ingun ani na jud ka ka low crom? squatter kaayo ka ug batasan. hehehe by the way dili mi lod-on ana...

unsay squatter nga pirting squaterra na2 krn dri sa pinas ky dako natag utang sa world bank!

birahonon na ni a2 country kng dli ta kabayad. lol!!

[tatakalz]

^hoi pang bunalan tamo run, cge lng mo lalis dah

nasulbad ug natubag naman na..nahala biyai nlng ni...

[scytheb_2501]

dli man cguro sala ang mukaon ug baboy sah.. ang sala nuon kanang mamili ug kaon kay grasya pud bya nah.. libog lagi ta aning mga muslim oi.. hehehe..

aw kung dli cla mukaon ug baboy then ila nlang to cguro responsibility to ask if baboy or boy or bob to ang naa sa kan.anan.. atleast karon be concious sad mga muslims ky annoying man gud pirmi mo ask sa sud.an..

@Malic bai tilawi lechon ug dinugu.an.. you'll feel more evil, more powerful, nyahhahaha rawr

[Malic]

Quote: Originally Posted by scytheb_2501 dli man cguro sala ang mukaon ug baboy sah.. ang sala nuon kanang mamili ug kaon kay grasya pud bya nah.. libog lagi ta aning mga muslim oi.. hehehe.. aw kung dli cla mukaon ug baboy then ila nlang to cguro responsibility to ask if baboy or boy or bob to ang naa sa kan.anan.. atleast karon be concious sad mga muslims ky annoying man gud pirmi mo ask sa sud.an.. @Malic bai tilawi lechon ug dinugu.an.. you'll feel more evil, more powerful, nyahhahaha rawr

LOLZ dili ko gusto ma miss nako ang half sa ako life..kay mamatay nya ko ug sayo.

[necrotic freak]

^^murag naka kaon naman tingali jud na si Malic ug lechon ug dugo2x bai kay murag dili man jud ni siya inborn nga muslim... tingali lang hap...

[Malic]

Quote: Originally Posted by necrotic freak ^^murag naka kaon naman tingali jud na si Malic ug lechon ug dugo2x bai kay murag dili man jud ni siya inborn nga muslim... tingali lang hap...

actually, kita tanan sir according sa Islamic tradition, pag kataw nato we were muslims. y? Muslim means total submission to God. then kung atong tan-awon sa katong bata pa ta we are in a state called fitrah and we are in total submission sa Ginoo.

Sa dihang nidako nata our parents and society molded us kung unsa na ang religion nato karon.


well kana thats according to Islam.

[necrotic freak]

Quote: Originally Posted by Malic actually, kita tanan sir according sa Islamic tradition, pag kataw nato we were muslims. y? Muslim means total submission to God. then kung atong tan-awon sa katong bata pa ta we are in a state called fitrah and we are in total submission sa Ginoo. Sa dihang nidako nata our parents and society molded us kung unsa na ang religion nato karon. well kana thats according to Islam.

so if you are born to a christian, budhhist, jewish parent you are actually a muslim? i respect you for that sir..

[Malic]

Quote: Originally Posted by necrotic freak so if you are born to a christian, budhhist, jewish parent you are actually a muslim? i respect you for that sir..

in a sense yes, well thats according to Islamic tradition.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

hence the term "Balik-Islam."

i'm cool with that. shukran, sadeek.

[scytheb_2501]

maldita jd ni si malic dah.. isog kaau.. hehehehe..

alu akhbar.. wa ko ksabot ana pero cge may nlng naa koy arabic language nahibaw.an gkan sa tv.. mura ko parrot dah.. ahihihihi

[masterwong]

Quote: Originally Posted by GrEenOCIDE mao jud ni ako makalagotan, ang topic bahin sa baboy makahinumdum nuon ko sa kalami sa CNT Lechon

maypa mangaon ta ani.. jowk! lamiah ni woi..naay dugo2x dira! harharhr

[Kenshiro]

Quote: Originally Posted by sanggano_boy Yes, you're right that Jesus never spoke about violating or changing any Mosaic law. But he can give new commandments? John 13:34 A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. Mark 7:18 "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? Salvation of soul is more important than eating pork! Paul knew about this things. because the Lord Jesus Christ commissioned him to be the apostle for the gentiles Acts 22:21 21"Then the Lord said to me, 'Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles.' " How can you say that Paul heretic?. The fact that Peter mentioned Paul's letter. 2 Peter 3:15-16 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction That's why the Jews persecuted the Christians because they can't accept their testimony. But the apostles knew what's the truth. They have witness the great revelation of God through Jesus Christ.

I think its in the mosaic law that eating pork is prohibited. But we are not under mosaic law anymore. You are correct in a sense its not a commandment anymore but I take it as a very good suggestion to not eat pork. Although we are not under mosaic law anymore this does not mean that we should start eating pork. eating much pork would lead to heart attack and cancer as what many doctors would agree. So Pork is still unclean, studies shows pork has the highest fat content among animals and it contains the most carcenogens.
See you become a blind follower of faith if you just ignore everything in the old testament and follow what your pastor says.

Health Principles are part of the Bible.
"Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." 3 John 2

What is God's original diet for his people?
"And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yield seed....every tree whose fruits yield seed."
"Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat"
Genesis 1:29; 2:16

The Diet God gave people in the beginning was fruit, grains and nuts. Vegetables were added later (Genesis 3:1

Quote: Yes, you're right that Jesus never spoke about violating or changing any Mosaic law. But he can give new commandments? John 13:34 A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

A new command which is still the same with the 6th to 10th command regarding humans relationship to one another. If you don't understand old testament this can be interpreted wrongly. The verse that you show is absolutely the same with the ten commandments specifically 6th to 10th commandment. Therefore this is not a new commandment but rather reiterated by Jesus from the ten commandments.
In John 15:10 10 even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.