Do you support women as priests?

[regnauld]

Quote: Originally Posted by st.anthony MAO thats a good suggestion, if they want to have a woman to be a priest then let them create another AGLICAN church and have there girlfriends officiate there celebration,

You mean ANGLICAN Church not AGLICAN?

[NASYO]

Quote: Originally Posted by carmicaeld well, in my POV, sir, YOU are. married to the Church...? afaik, they aren't.

priest and nuns - single blessedness
man and woman - marriage - one of seven sacraments of a roman catholic church

priests are married to the church = correct?
priest is a man and church should be referred as a "She"

nuns are not married to the church according to you sir.
How can they complete the 7 sacraments of RC?

I am not a religulous scholar sir.
I am a devoted RC like you.

[handsoff241]

We are not bound to complete the 7 sacraments. As long as we partake in the necessary sacraments for our salvation; communion, confession, confirmation and baptism.

Nuns are of the singles blessedness, you can also be blessedly single and not be a priest or a nun.

[NASYO]

Quote: Originally Posted by handsoff241 We are not bound to complete the 7 sacraments. As long as we partake in the necessary sacraments for our salvation; communion, confession, confirmation and baptism.

i was not taught of that during my cathecism days.
kindly show me some sources sir.

Quote: Originally Posted by handsoff241 Nuns are of the singles blessedness, you can also be blessedly single and not be a priest or a nun.

then tell us how to avoid confusion. I am here to learn sir.

[handsoff241]

Quote: i was not taught of that during my cathecism days. kindly show me some sources sir.

You cannot be a priest and have the sacrament of marriage. Right?

Quote: then tell us how to avoid confusion. I am here to learn sir.

Just plainly single, no wife/husband, no attachments to any religious congregations, serving God by living your life as He intended you to live.

[butitoy]

Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO i was not taught of that during my cathecism days. kindly show me some sources sir.

The seven sacraments—Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Communion, Confession, Marriage, Holy Orders, and the Anointing of the Sick—are the life of the Catholic Church. Each sacrament is an outward sign of an inward grace.

not everyone can have all the sacraments sir.

the basics are : Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Communion..



Marriage : is not for everyone. its a calling to build the smallest church where the HOLY SPIRIT will dwell..a family.


Holy Orders : also not for everyone, married to the church.
Their primary duties were the offering of sacrifice and prayer for the people.

it means they are not greater than anyone..they are the servants of everyone.

if naa gani pari nga magpaka-gamhanan...atong ingnon nga servant siya sa katawhan sa GINOO..para kahinumdom siya.


and the pre-departure rite , wherein everyone must have : the Anointing of the Sick.



and lisod ana devotee sir ....
>> An ardent or fanatical adherent of a religion.

meaning word for word...without question


ako kay : unbelief RC

[NASYO]

Quote: Originally Posted by handsoff241 You cannot be a priest and have the sacrament of marriage. Right?

libog ko ani nga phrase.

you ca be a priest, holy order
and priests are married to the church, marriage

[NASYO]

Quote: Originally Posted by handsoff241 Just plainly single, no wife/husband, no attachments to any religious congregations, serving God by living your life as He intended you to live.

mao ni single blessedness?

you mean, No Pre-marital XES?

[diehard96]

Quote: Originally Posted by carmicaeld so, some people here argue that human dignity and equality are based on utility and function or allowing women to do the same things as men. and only in doing the same things can the two genders be equal in dignity. and that to deny women the same functions would definitely mean denying equality. did i get your assumptions correct? if so, let me continue. while these assumptions are logical, its foundations are not. in fact, Catholic (or even most Christian) views do not associate equality with function or roles. a human being is not lesser than another based on what they can or cannot do. the Church values all humans equally. again, some people believe that women are not given equality because they are denied a function (priestly ordination). but, this is not what true equality means. we, the Church, believe that women are equal with men because of their innate dignity as children of God. women are equal with men, but are different in their own respects. while some of you would argue that this begs the question as to why women can't be ordained as priests, it is important to understand, however, that the liturgical act or the priestly ordination is an act of marriage. in fact, Jesus called the Church his "bride". (Mark 2:19-20, Rev 19:7-8, Rev 21:1-2). the Church is always reffered to as "she", because of this marriage/covenant between Christ and the Church. this is a clear indication why priestly ordinations are only given to men. the priest stands in the person of Christ. and since Christ was male, the priest, in "persona Chrisi" must also be male. the Church as bride will always be feminine just as a priest must always be masculine, reflecting the divine union between husband and wife. in our society, today, some people also push for same-gender marriages. surprisingly, some of those people also push for female ordination. if the Church approves of a female priest as the groom and the female Church as the bride, it would reflect the Church's approval of homosexuality and same-gender marriage. this, it cannot do. to wrap this tl;dr stuff: i suppose most "pro-female priests" think that being a priest is getting a title or position of superiority over the rest. no, it isn't. being a priest... is being a servant. although i do agree that there would be some priests abusing the position. but, it does not change the fact that the essence of being a priest is being a servant. so, would that put "male" priests above any woman? or to rephrase the question: would that put male "servants" above any woman? hmm....

anthropomorphisms

[handsoff241]

Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO libog ko ani nga phrase. you ca be a priest, holy order and priests are married to the church, marriage

Priest's marriage to the church is completely symbolical in meaning, the only thing it(the marriage of the priest and the church)signify is the way their relation works. Because the priest takes care of the church the way a husband does. Marriage, as a sacrament is a different thing, it is a gift from God to bless couples and grant them the right to procreate(have s3x).

Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO mao ni single blessedness? you mean, No Pre-marital XES?

Yes, exactly that is one way of glorifying God as a blessed single. Having no fornication.

[NASYO]

Quote: Originally Posted by handsoff241 Yes, exactly that is one way of glorifying God as a blessed single. Having no fornication.

do they wear chastity belts?
amputate their ___?
doze up with downers to suppress libido?
eat papaya?

or do it in the bathroom?

[NASYO]

XES is a basic need.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

[handsoff241]

Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO do they wear chastity belts? amputate their ___? doze up with downers to suppress libido? eat papaya? or do it in the bathroom?

I don't have any idea, but one thing is for sure, if they get defeated by their human weakness and the things of this world, God will always help them up.

Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO XES is a basic need. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes it is a basic need, but not meant to be exploited.

[carmicaeld]

Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO priest and nuns - single blessedness

LOL. ever heard about "HOLY ORDERS"?

Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO priests are married to the church = correct? priest is a man and church should be referred as a "She" nuns are not married to the church according to you sir. How can they complete the 7 sacraments of RC? I am not a religulous scholar sir. I am a devoted RC like you.

you say you are a devout catholic, sir? so, sir, how can you say that the 7 sacraments must be completed according to the doctrines of the RCC?
if you are a devout Catholic, then you should know that HOLY ORDERS and MARRIAGE are sacraments that refer to vocation.
Holy Orders are for those who devote themselves only to Christ and His Church. Marriage are for those who find a better half and prefer one.

yes, basically priests are "married" to the church, but nuns aren't. both are holy orders, but are different from one another. one is an apple, the other is an orange. both are fruits, but are never totally the same.

[handsoff241]

@Carmicaeld, explain it gently and meekly... remember the beatitudes.