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Old 08-15-2008, 08:42 AM
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ako bai. simple ra gyud akong hobby. i just watch the world. you have access to everything you need to learn something in this world. you don't have to be completely free to learn. knowledge is a good outlet. never stop learning.
Watch and observe.
Learn.
But don't stop there.
Find ways to make this world a better place.
Use your talents.
Use your skills.
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Old 08-15-2008, 01:04 PM
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Asking the basic questions in life is a good place to start, If you want to attain enlightenment.
But simply asking is not enough.
You must understand.
You must learn the principles of every aspect of life in this planet
and know more about your existence in this universe.
And if you still are confused, ask some more questions.
Never stop asking until you reached and get the answers you wanted.
Does this mean that reason itself which is embodied by asking questions is enough for us to attain liberation?
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Hmmm.... God does not really need our praises and thanks because he is already perfect, but we do need to thank, praise and adore him because we are imperfect. It is for our own benefit. It helps us become more spiritually mature.

As to whether there really is a heaven... I believe there really is!

One of the arguments for the existence of heaven is the argument from desire. C. S. Lewis summarizes it this way:

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"Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for these desires exists. A baby feels hunger; well, there is such a thing as food. A duckling wants to swim; well, there is such a thing as water. Men feel sexual desire; well, there is such a thing as sex. If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."
One example of a desire that I can think of that C. S. Lewis is talking about which is never truly satisfied in this life is the desire for happiness. We have this hunger inside us that drives us to search for happiness in all different places. Some of us seek for it in the wrong places, in sex (driven by lust), for example, or in alcohol, or in drugs, but they only give us counterfeit "happiness"; they only give us fleeting pleasure, which inevitably leads to emptiness. And some of us seek for it in legitimate ways: aiming for financial, material, intellectual, academic, or social success for example. But at the end of the day, there is still that hunger inside us for true and lasting happiness. It seems that nothing in this world, or in this life, is ever really enough for us. Could it be that the object of this natural desire in fact exists elsewhere (i.e., not in this world)? Could it be that the reason why no earthly thing can truly fill the space inside our hearts is that we are really made for another world?

Our idea of heaven as a place where cherubims play the lyre all day long, and where choirs of angels sing all day long, etc., may only be a caricature. We would most definately feel like being tortured in such a place. But if heaven is the place where we are destined to be, where we are made for, where our hearts' longings can truly and lastingly be fulfilled, then I cannot wait to get there!
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Old 08-16-2008, 05:07 AM
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Does this mean that reason itself which is embodied by asking questions is enough for us to attain liberation?
Enlightenment is understanding things better.
Understanding is the key.
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Does this mean that reason itself which is embodied by asking questions is enough for us to attain liberation?
When it comes to dealing with people:

We must not judge people, in order to understand them.
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Hmmm.... God does not really need our praises and thanks because he is already perfect, but we do need to thank, praise and adore him because we are imperfect. It is for our own benefit. It helps us become more spiritually mature.

As to whether there really is a heaven... I believe there really is!

One of the arguments for the existence of heaven is the argument from desire. C. S. Lewis summarizes it this way:



One example of a desire that I can think of that C. S. Lewis is talking about which is never truly satisfied in this life is the desire for happiness. We have this hunger inside us that drives us to search for happiness in all different places. Some of us seek for it in the wrong places, in sex (driven by lust), for example, or in alcohol, or in drugs, but they only give us counterfeit "happiness"; they only give us fleeting pleasure, which inevitably leads to emptiness. And some of us seek for it in legitimate ways: aiming for financial, material, intellectual, academic, or social success for example. But at the end of the day, there is still that hunger inside us for true and lasting happiness. It seems that nothing in this world, or in this life, is ever really enough for us. Could it be that the object of this natural desire in fact exists elsewhere (i.e., not in this world)? Could it be that the reason why no earthly thing can truly fill the space inside our hearts is that we are really made for another world?

Our idea of heaven as a place where cherubims play the lyre all day long, and where choirs of angels sing all day long, etc., may only be a caricature. We would most definately feel like being tortured in such a place. But if heaven is the place where we are destined to be, where we are made for, where our hearts' longings can truly and lastingly be fulfilled, then I cannot wait to get there!
I understand you there.
You believe because you need to.

In my case, I don't need to.
Religion is a function of a materialistic person.
If you need a sense of security and/
or a sense of belonging -then you need religion and everything that comes with it.
Including the concepts of Heaven and Hell.
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Hmmm.... God does not really need our praises and thanks because he is already perfect, but we do need to thank, praise and adore him because we are imperfect. It is for our own benefit. It helps us become more spiritually mature.

As to whether there really is a heaven... I believe there really is!

One of the arguments for the existence of heaven is the argument from desire. C. S. Lewis summarizes it this way:



One example of a desire that I can think of that C. S. Lewis is talking about which is never truly satisfied in this life is the desire for happiness. We have this hunger inside us that drives us to search for happiness in all different places. Some of us seek for it in the wrong places, in sex (driven by lust), for example, or in alcohol, or in drugs, but they only give us counterfeit "happiness"; they only give us fleeting pleasure, which inevitably leads to emptiness. And some of us seek for it in legitimate ways: aiming for financial, material, intellectual, academic, or social success for example. But at the end of the day, there is still that hunger inside us for true and lasting happiness. It seems that nothing in this world, or in this life, is ever really enough for us. Could it be that the object of this natural desire in fact exists elsewhere (i.e., not in this world)? Could it be that the reason why no earthly thing can truly fill the space inside our hearts is that we are really made for another world?

Our idea of heaven as a place where cherubims play the lyre all day long, and where choirs of angels sing all day long, etc., may only be a caricature. We would most definately feel like being tortured in such a place. But if heaven is the place where we are destined to be, where we are made for, where our hearts' longings can truly and lastingly be fulfilled, then I cannot wait to get there!
I'm sorry to say this bro, somehow you forgot something in the seven habits of effective people.
No offense intended. I hope you still have the book.
What is the principle of religion as stated in the book?
Is religion important to a centered person?
Then where should you center your life on?
Or, what should be your life's center?
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Old 08-16-2008, 11:58 AM
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If earth is a school, is it also a prison?

What am I to do for me to be liberated from this prison?

Does asking the basic questions in life help you attain liberation, enlightenment, cosmic consciousness or whatever you call it?
i should say yes. yes, it is both a school and a prison. anyone can ask the questions. the real question is: what are we gonna do with the answers once we got them? faith is unreliable. knowledge is insufficient, but Awareness is the real key to attain liberation, enlightenment, cosmic consciousness or whatever you call it. Awareness of the Higher Self will bring about that spiritual alchemy that the ancient mystics have attained and harnessed. easier said than done, no?
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:02 PM
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I understand you there.
You believe because you need to.
Yup, I believe because I have this need to believe, and I believe that God created this need inside us so we may seek him.

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In my case, I don't need to.
Religion is a function of a materialistic person.
If you need a sense of security and/
or a sense of belonging -then you need religion and everything that comes with it.
Including the concepts of Heaven and Hell.
Religion points to the truth, the existence of God. If we are only religious for the sake of it, then we are missing the point of religion.

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I'm sorry to say this bro, somehow you forgot something in the seven habits of effective people.
No offense intended. I hope you still have the book.
What is the principle of religion as stated in the book?
Yup, I'm still reading the book.

I guess what the author is saying about religion is that a person can be "church-centered", but not necessarily be "principle-centered".

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Is religion important to a centered person?
To a person centered on principles, religion may or may not be important. I think there are people who are principle-centered and very religious and spiritual, and also people who may not go to church often or at all, but who recognize God, are spiritual, and are driven by principles.

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Then where should you center your life on?
Or, what should be your life's center?
Still from the book, the highly effective person centers his life on principles.
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:55 PM
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What about to bring UNDERSTANDING?

we must EXPERIENCE IT, literally.

Because once our questions go further, and our answers go farther and deeper, no amount of reasoning will suffice our craving for answers. Because REASON is bounded by laws of the earth, and is thus LIMITED. But the creative aspect is boundless and eternal...This is the way to transcendence.
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ako nadunggan nga ang mga masakiton magkinahanglan og doctors, pati na sad ang dili. pareha ra sad daw sa mga sinners, they need GOD. so sinners man kita tanan. pero mas nag-need kay GOD 2ng mga grbe na jud.kd2ng naa nay mga sakit. it follows nga kaning mga sinners, moabot jud sa ila kinabuhi ang crisis. to make them realize the presence of GOD.d question, ngano naa man jpn tao nga maabtan og crisis sa kinabuhi wen kani sila nga mga tao is faithfully always with GOD.kung ang uban mo ingon nga para lang e test ang ila faith...so they mean to say nga ang crisis nga niabot sa ila life is from GOD?...
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another question: kung half sa 100 is 50, half sa 1 million is 500,000....then unsay half sa infinity??....
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Yup, I believe because I have this need to believe, and I believe that God created this need inside us so we may seek him.



Religion points to the truth, the existence of God. If we are only religious for the sake of it, then we are missing the point of religion.



Yup, I'm still reading the book.

I guess what the author is saying about religion is that a person can be "church-centered", but not necessarily be "principle-centered".



To a person centered on principles, religion may or may not be important. I think there are people who are principle-centered and very religious and spiritual, and also people who may not go to church often or at all, but who recognize God, are spiritual, and are driven by principles.



Still from the book, the highly effective person centers his life on principles.
Correct!
I should stress that there would be life problems about balance when you are church-centered.
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ako nadunggan nga ang mga masakiton magkinahanglan og doctors, pati na sad ang dili. pareha ra sad daw sa mga sinners, they need GOD. so sinners man kita tanan. pero mas nag-need kay GOD 2ng mga grbe na jud.kd2ng naa nay mga sakit. it follows nga kaning mga sinners, moabot jud sa ila kinabuhi ang crisis. to make them realize the presence of GOD.d question, ngano naa man jpn tao nga maabtan og crisis sa kinabuhi wen kani sila nga mga tao is faithfully always with GOD.kung ang uban mo ingon nga para lang e test ang ila faith...so they mean to say nga ang crisis nga niabot sa ila life is from GOD?...
I don't believe that hardship and problems were tests from God.
It's just what you normally hear from faithful believers.

If I were God I would never give my children problems.
I will even help them every time they get into trouble.
I would never test them or their faith.
I will not be that insecure as a God.

The reason may be because they are given problems is because they are worshiping the wrong God.
Or maybe you should not be worshiping.
But the real problem being a church centered person is not about tests from God.
It is not even about God.

It is all about balance.
Life will be in an imbalance when you are church centered.
You also judge people easily.
You become self righteous.
Your priorities will become unrealistic and idealistic.
This will cause your life to spin out of balance.
Your family, co-workers and friends must be in the same church with you or else.
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