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[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by necrotic freak unsa diay si Jesus Christ para nimo rcruman? ug unsa pod si Jesus Christ para sa kinatibukan ADD?

si Jesus Christ kay anak sa GINOO.
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 3

si Jesus Christ kay ang Mangluluwas.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5

si Jesus Christ ang doctor sa atong kalag.
si Jesus Christ ang naghatag natong sundanan aron maluwas kita.

Bro puede imo usbon ang term nga ADD kay dili mana amo groupo kungdi program sa T.V (ayaw kasuko ha).
Church of GOD or Iglesia ng Dios will do.


Sa amoa si Jesus CHrist kay:

6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 3

Siya ang sunod sa Amahan og dli pareha sa Amahan sama.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:3



og daghan pa.

Peace!

[r3roble]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman si Jesus Christ kay anak sa GINOO. 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3 si Jesus Christ kay ang Mangluluwas. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5 si Jesus Christ ang doctor sa atong kalag. si Jesus Christ ang naghatag natong sundanan aron maluwas kita. Bro puede imo usbon ang term nga ADD kay dili mana amo groupo kungdi program sa T.V (ayaw kasuko ha). Church of GOD or Iglesia ng Dios will do. Sa amoa si Jesus CHrist kay: 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Hebrews 3 Siya ang sunod sa Amahan og dli pareha sa Amahan sama. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3 og daghan pa. Peace!

bro rcruman, pwede ask...
in your own bro, who is Jesus Christ...
(just like when our Lord ask Peter, if you are asked that way)...

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by r3roble bro rcruman, pwede ask... in your own bro, who is Jesus Christ... (just like when our Lord ask Peter, if you are asked that way)...

Peter answer based on the things he saw in Jesus Christ.
So I will say what is written in the bible about Jesus Christ and I don't have to make my own words.
daghan na description about kang Jesus Christ sa bible og dili na angay pun-an og dili kita maoy angay mupuno sa iyang kaugalingon, hope kasabot ka.


Peace!

[r3roble]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman Peter answer based on the things he saw in Jesus Christ. So I will say what is written in the bible about Jesus Christ and I don't have to make my own words. daghan na description about kang Jesus Christ sa bible og dili na angay pun-an og dili kita maoy angay mupuno sa iyang kaugalingon, hope kasabot ka. Peace!

yes bro.. crystal clear.
thanks...

[necrotic freak]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman si Jesus Christ kay anak sa GINOO. 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3 si Jesus Christ kay ang Mangluluwas. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5 si Jesus Christ ang doctor sa atong kalag. si Jesus Christ ang naghatag natong sundanan aron maluwas kita. Bro puede imo usbon ang term nga ADD kay dili mana amo groupo kungdi program sa T.V (ayaw kasuko ha). Church of GOD or Iglesia ng Dios will do. Sa amoa si Jesus CHrist kay: 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Hebrews 3 Siya ang sunod sa Amahan og dli pareha sa Amahan sama. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3 og daghan pa. Peace!

unsa man jud diay sakto nga term (biblically) nga dili man kaha pwde personal savior? ingon ka, si Jesus Christ ang doctor sa atong kalag. naa man lagi ko personal doctor (physician) pero dili kay ako lang iyang pasyente.

unsa man jud diay hugot nga bersikulo sa church of god nga nagpatuo sa inyong doctrina nga ang dios amahan dili sama ug gahom sa dios anak?

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by necrotic freak unsa man jud diay sakto nga term (biblically) nga dili man kaha pwde personal savior? ingon ka, si Jesus Christ ang doctor sa atong kalag. naa man lagi ko personal doctor (physician) pero dili kay ako lang iyang pasyente. unsa man jud diay hugot nga bersikulo sa church of god nga nagpatuo sa inyong doctrina nga ang dios amahan dili sama ug gahom sa dios anak?

aw dili pa diay hugot nga si Christ na mismo ang niingon?
naa diay luag og hugot nga verse?

pero since you've asked for it then I will give again:

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 14

kasabot man sigura kag "greater".

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Acts 1


32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:32


3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11


karon pa ko nituo nga pilosopo diay ka gamay bro, kay tungod niingon ko nga doctor si Jesus sa ato kalag kay imo dayon gibutang nga naa pud kay PERSONAL DOCTOR og dili kay ikaw ra ang iya pasiente.

Pareha diay si Jesus og ang DOCTOR nimo?

PEace!

[necrotic freak]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman aw dili pa diay hugot nga si Christ na mismo ang niingon? naa diay luag og hugot nga verse?!

naa man gani hugot ug luag nga pagtuo.

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman pero since you've asked for it then I will give again: 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14 kasabot man sigura kag "greater". 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Acts 1 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11!

It is thus inattentive to read verses like John 14:28 as describing a static condition. how about this one rcruman:

(Philippians 2:5-11)
"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

kani nga verses nag portrays from the glory of heaven to the depths of suffering on the cross...then back again. So it's on account of Philippians 2:6 that St. Paul describe Jesus as equal with the Father, not unmindful that He then laid aside His divine prerogatives. With astonishing condescension, the mighty God "humbled himself"!

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman karon pa ko nituo nga pilosopo diay ka gamay bro, kay tungod niingon ko nga doctor si Jesus sa ato kalag kay imo dayon gibutang nga naa pud kay PERSONAL DOCTOR og dili kay ikaw ra ang iya pasiente. Pareha diay si Jesus og ang DOCTOR nimo? PEace!

yes parihas in terms of personal desire of my choice.. BUT NOT as a Divine savior. a doctor can save my body but not my soul...

[rcruman]

Quote: Originally Posted by necrotic freak naa man gani hugot ug luag nga pagtuo. It is thus inattentive to read verses like John 14:28 as describing a static condition. how about this one rcruman: (Philippians 2:5-11) "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." kani nga verses nag portrays from the glory of heaven to the depths of suffering on the cross...then back again. So it's on account of Philippians 2:6 that St. Paul describe Jesus as equal with the Father, not unmindful that He then laid aside His divine prerogatives. With astonishing condescension, the mighty God "humbled himself"! yes parihas in terms of personal desire of my choice.. BUT NOT as a Divine savior. a doctor can save my body but not my soul...

so para sa imoha bro basta GOD meaning equal dayon og power?
like kita tao bro equal ba ta og power tanan?
like sa mga anghel equal ba silag power tanan basta anghel?

so by using verse 5-11 of Philippians 2 are you saying that it contradict to John 14:28, Acts 1:6-7, Mark 13:32 or ikaw ang wala kasabot sa word nga GOD?

bro its a fact that they're both GOD but it doesn't come that they have the same power as what your TRINITY implies co-equal.

again basag John 14:28 kay klaro kaayo nga si Jesus Mismo ang nisulti pero gahi gyud kag ulo og imo gyud ipasok nga pareha sila kay GOD lagi, nya gamit pakag Philippians 2:5-11 nga wala ka kasabot.

Mao niy hinumdumi bro sa Philippians 2:6 kay wla niingon nga equal silag power ang ingon didto nga GINOO si Jesus in Nature pero dili pasabot nga pareha silag gahum.

Peace!

[r3roble]

bro necro,

by the time they will understand us, they will be like us....
so they will never understand us because they are not like us...

[arubinkun]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mr.Ho_chia Astang saktoha bro/ ngano d i bro, gpapangita gyud ang word nga "personal"? hahaha

gusto man daw nga ipangita jud ang word nga "personal" sa verse sa bible... lisuda...

[arubinkun]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman then let us compare your understanding with the understanding in the bible. then let us examine the verse you've sited. 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 give you an example bro, if you have a brother and a sister in a family total of 5 including you and parents. is it appropriate to call your mother as your personal mother and can you call your father as your personal father in fact your brother and a sister share it with you? its grammatical error and most of ALL not biblical to call JESUS CHRIST as personal savior. can I call your personal belongings as my personal belongings also? There's no other JESUS CHRIST so if people claim that its there personal saviour then how many JESUS CHRIST do we have? even if you read back the verses you've sited its clearly says that "I" so all of us must have only JESUS CHRIST in order to be saved so CHRIST will be for us not for individual or personal. There's no verse in the bible that will explain JESUS CHRIST as PERSONAL SAVIOR. Personal Savior are just invention of BORN AGAIN PASTORS. Peace!

you are right sir, it is grammatically incorrect... it should be, a personal relationship with your Lord and Saviour... sakto naba?

mahulog nana siya cguro sir nga description sa iya relationship ni Christ... Personal relationship, not something that is not dictated by someone else...

John 15:15
I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

being friends with someone would make you say that you have a personal relationship with that person


I wouldn't say invention of BORn AGAIN PASTORS sir... more siguro as a grammatically wrong coined term if you know what I mean... hahaha

as fas as I have heard on online sermons, I don't hear american pastors say personal lord and saviour... they only say "accept him as your Lord and Saviour and create a personal relationship with Him"... I guess that's where the term "Personal Lord and Saviour" got coined from..

Personal to describe your relationship... Lord and Saviour by definition of what Christ is to you...

I hope I'm making sense?

I know it wasn't the clearest verse to support that but that's how Christ wants his relationship to be... single, focused, not shared, one on one... Just like what he said on this verse...

Matthew 10:37
37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;

[necrotic freak]

Quote: Originally Posted by rcruman so para sa imoha bro basta GOD meaning equal dayon og power? like kita tao bro equal ba ta og power tanan? like sa mga anghel equal ba silag power tanan basta anghel? so by using verse 5-11 of Philippians 2 are you saying that it contradict to John 14:28, Acts 1:6-7, Mark 13:32 or ikaw ang wala kasabot sa word nga GOD? bro its a fact that they're both GOD but it doesn't come that they have the same power as what your TRINITY implies co-equal. again basag John 14:28 kay klaro kaayo nga si Jesus Mismo ang nisulti pero gahi gyud kag ulo og imo gyud ipasok nga pareha sila kay GOD lagi, nya gamit pakag Philippians 2:5-11 nga wala ka kasabot. Mao niy hinumdumi bro sa Philippians 2:6 kay wla niingon nga equal silag power ang ingon didto nga GINOO si Jesus in Nature pero dili pasabot nga pareha silag gahum. Peace!

ang mga tao lang diri rcruman atong pa decideron kung kinsay gahi ug ulo natong duha.. ug karon pa lang maka balik si Cristo, gi-dukol naka niya rcruman. ang Ginoo imong gi degrade ang gahom?! kinsa man ka? ipamogos jud na nimo imong personal nga interpretasyon sa. maayo paman ang Ginoo nimo kay humble pa, asa ka kita'g Ginoo nga mo hugas ug tiil sa iyang apostolis?

[r3roble]

Quote: Originally Posted by necrotic freak ang mga tao lang diri rcruman atong pa decideron kung kinsay gahi ug ulo natong duha.. ug karon pa lang maka balik si Cristo, gi-dukol naka niya rcruman. ang Ginoo imong gi degrade ang gahom?! kinsa man ka? ipamogos jud na nimo imong personal nga interpretasyon sa. maayo paman ang Ginoo nimo kay humble pa, asa ka kita'g Ginoo nga mo hugas ug tiil sa iyang apostolis?

bro necro, as i have understand, dli na sila mudawat o mosabot kung wala jud nakasulat (word for word) sa bible... lahi na sila nato nga nisabot sa mga catholic scholars nga niinterpret sa bible ug gibase dri ang ato doctrines. although not literally said but i know the verses you have given them were interpreted to be the basis by scholars long time ago... although dli nila sabton pero i understand why dli nila sabton...