Why The Christian Faith?

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Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO ahehehehe tua na. nanong lawgawn man jud nimo rcruman? unsa naman pud sayop sa personal saviour?

unsay naa? mao niy kasagaran pangutana or prinsipyo sa mga tao nga dili mobasi sa biblia og sa imagine ra.

IKAW sa ako pangutan-on bro, kung "PERSONAL" ba puede pa makuha sa uban?

kung personal savior siya ni she_babymo og sa uban pa nga mga born-again pila diay kabuok JESUS CHRIST?
kay kung PERSONAL SAVIOR bro meaning iya ra.

Og sa biblia kay bisan mulugwa pa imo mata og binasa kay dili ka kakita or kabasa og PERSONAL SAVIOR.


Kung kitang tao ang masunod wlay sayop sa ato buhaton og tuohan pero naa may biblia aron sundon.
og ang gibuhat sa kadaghanan kay muhimo na lang og lain or e-deny ang bible kay dili nila gusto sundon ang naa didto.

Peace!

[NASYO]

motu-o ba ka sa panulti-on nga, GOD is within us.

so, within man nato, personal.

[NASYO]

unsay kalahi-an sa OUR personal saviour ug MY personal saviour?

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Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO motu-o ba ka sa panulti-on nga, GOD is within us. so, within man nato, personal.

can you please show me verses that will support your claim so that we can see the context of it?

Peace!

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Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO unsay kalahi-an sa OUR personal saviour ug MY personal saviour?

dako kaayo bro og kalainan kung biblia ato hisgutan or gamiton.

hatagan sa tikag example nga mutubag sa imo querry.

Kung naa kay personal belongings puede pud ba ko mugamit ana?

Peace!

[r3roble]

dli pwede uy... pero if our personal belongings, pwede ba?
like if the toothbrush is our personal belonging, pwede bisan kinsa basta within the context of "our" ang pwede mogamit?

[NASYO]

example; kanang imo gigamit nga desktop computer rcruman,

personal computer man na no?

ikaw lang naggamit o naa pud lain?

unsa naman name ana ron? OUR computer?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Para nako mao gani gtawag nga personal computer, arun personal use. nara nimo kung imong ipagamit but that doesn't change the fact that it remains to be your personal computer ug dili na mahimo nga our computer kay kay nakagamit ko.

ako ra pud na katarungan nasyo.

[arubinkun]

here's my 2 cents about the "our" and "my"... When your in a group of Christians and your talking to a non believer... Don't you say, we come in the name in Christ "our" Lord and Saviour... and when you share to a non-believer "alone" won't you say I come in the name of Christ, "my" Lord and Saviour...

you know what's funny about you guys, you're so bent on proving that the other guy is wrong that you have lost the essence of discussing the scriptures... it is not to prove someone wrong but instead to help each understand what they are Jesus truly wants us to do by reading the scriptures...

To those who are defenders of the Christian Faith, Kudos to you guys, I'm sure our God is highly delighted on what you are doing, but you have to remember, when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, He did not do it with hate, anger, despise or prejudice in His heart but He did out of love and in love...

So be very careful brothers and sisters, though your motives are pure, if you have made someone fall because of what you did, you are held accountable in the heavens for that person...

Proverbs 9:8
Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.

Revelation 3:19a
aThose whom I love I rebuke and discipline.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

so meaning to say bro, those who hate the defender of the Christian faith are mockers? while those who agree and love them are wise?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Mr.Ho_chia so meaning to say bro, those who hate the defender of the Christian faith are mockers? while those who agree and love them are wise?

its a subjective question, mudepend na siya sa situation... when you say mockers... kanang magbugal² na gali ug naay magsangyaw, they don't necesarilly have to hate (though they can be haters), mock lang jud sila, dili na nimo sila erebuke kay i-hate na nuon ka nila (if hate na daan, musamot), wala raman gud na sila kasabot and dili na sila open. Its a basic defensive mechanism of a human being to come up with something (like mocking) to keep himself from listening to you... Muslims for example, all of them do not like the Christian faith but doesn't mean that all of them mocked the Christian faith... something like that gali...

ang wise pud nga gipoint out diha, are those who do listen, try to understand, is open to learning and the likes... if you go back to verse and read the whole chapter, this chapter is actually giving you an idea on how to deal with mockers and listeners and how to be wise and not a folly...

Proverbs 9

Invitations of Wisdom and of Folly

1 Wisdom has built her house;
she has hewn out its seven pillars. 2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.
3 She has sent out her maids, and she calls
from the highest point of the city.
4 "Let all who are simple come in here!"
she says to those who lack judgment.
5 "Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.
6 Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of understanding.
7 "Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult;
whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you;
rebuke a wise man and he will love you.
9 Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still;
teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning.
10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through me your days will be many,
and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;
if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer."
13 The woman Folly is loud;
she is undisciplined and without knowledge.
14 She sits at the door of her house,
on a seat at the highest point of the city,
15 calling out to those who pass by,
who go straight on their way.
16 "Let all who are simple come in here!"
she says to those who lack judgment.
17 "Stolen water is sweet;
food eaten in secret is delicious!"
18 But little do they know that the dead are there,
that her guests are in the depths of the grave. [a]

good morning diay diha MR. HO Chia...

[mordecai_327]

@Mr.Ho_chia

My apologies, Sir for taking so long to post the resource that you have quoted. Busy as a bee.


Going back to the Original Topic: Why the Christian Faith?

Here is a transcript of the discourse between Ravi Zacharias and Lee Strobel, written in the latter's book "The Case For Faith". No attempt to put down any religion or whatsoever but solely for the purpose of discussion.

Four Fundamental Questions That Every Religion Seeks to Answer
Ravi Zacharias

Origin, Meaning, Morality, and Destiny

Origin. The Bible says we are not identical with God—contrary to the Hindu claim—but we are distinct from him. In other words, we didn’t bring ourselves into being, but we are a creation of God. Since we were created in his image, this accounts for human beings having a moral point of reference. No system is able to explain this except the monotheistic ones. Even naturalists have no explanation for humanity’s moral framework. However, this moral framework corresponds to the reality of human experience.

Also, Christianity says we rejected the divine will. The tempter in the garden said if you eat this fruit, you will become as gods, knowing good and evil. The implication is that you become the definer of good and evil. Humanism was born right there; man became the measure of all things. This willful rebellion and rejection of God corresponds to reality. As Malcolm Muggeridge said, human depravity is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but also the most philosophically resistant.

Meaning. Here again, the Christian faith stands without parallel. The simplest way to describe it is that God does not call us to meaning by asking us to be good people. He does not call us to meaning just by telling us to love one another. It is only in the experience of worship that meaning comes to be. Only something greater than pleasure can provide meaning, and that is the perpetual novelty of God himself in worship. The Bible tells us to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, and mind, and only when we’ve done that can we begin to love our neighbors as ourselves. This also corresponds to experience.

Morality. Christianity says morality is not culturally-based, but instead it grows out of the very character of God. Otherwise, you end up with the dilemma from philosophy of old: is the moral law over and above you, or is a moral law subject to you? If it is over and above you, where do you find its root, then? The only way to explain that is to find it in an eternal, moral, omnipotent, infinite God who is inseparable from his character. Thus, Christianity explains morality in a coherent manner.

Destiny. This is based on the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the historical event that proved his divinity and that opened the door to heaven for everyone who will follow him. Where else do you have anything that comes to claiming this?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Thank you very much sir mordecai_327. I can hear Ravi Zach speaking those words.

It is the Christian Faith indeed and not any other faith. Glory be too GOD!

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@Mordecai and Mr.Ho_Chia

Amen...

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Quote: Originally Posted by NASYO example; kanang imo gigamit nga desktop computer rcruman, personal computer man na no? ikaw lang naggamit o naa pud lain? unsa naman name ana ron? OUR computer?

ayaw palabi bro, pagbaton pud og gamayng respeto sa imo na lang sang kaugalingon.

basag dictionary aron ka matagbaw kung unsay pasabot sa PERSONAL.

PEace!