Imagine, no religion, no God

[The_Child]

Quote: Originally Posted by grovestreet man has to outgrow religion in order for us to expect a more rational society. but of course institutions tend to perpetuate themselves. I am not being self-righteous, im just stating my observations gathered especially from this portion of the forums.

religion is not to be outgrown. a Rational society is dependent upon religion to maintain its rationality.

[The_Child]

Quote: Originally Posted by chad_tukes the world will be a whole lot better place to live in if we didn't have RELIGION and GOD.

if religion and God are mere mental concepts, why dream hard of a place where they dont exist if in the first place you could just switch them off in your personal convenience?

[NASYO]

Quote: Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute it seems we don't have the same level of interest and same level of belief... if you attack by telling me my interpretation is wrong.. hehehehe! cheap shot ra kaau ni... wala man kay gi hatag na explanation pod sa ako gi sulti... who would believe you? Heheheh, well i think its the most comfortable way of telling... I cant say more... so you attack... hahaha! don't worry ill follow through!

for me, there's no place for an argument. labi na pareha nimo.
nga gani, wala man jud kasabot sa kanta nga "IMAGINE"

paminaw sa sa kanta, unya, istorya dayon ta.

[chad_tukes]

Quote: Originally Posted by The_Child if religion and God are mere mental concepts, why dream hard of a place where they dont exist if in the first place you could just switch them off in your personal convenience?

i have switched them off sir, by way of logic and reason.

[chad_tukes]

Quote: Originally Posted by The_Child religion is not to be outgrown. a Rational society is dependent upon religion to maintain its rationality.

we don't need religion to be rational, if that's what you were trying to say. in fact, religion itself is based upon irrationality. harsh but true, imo.

[cromagnon]

I would accpet religion , if they could have been honest and straight to the face...

however it turns out to be a world of dogs out there.

[Ger]

Quote: Originally Posted by cromagnon I would accpet religion , if they could have been honest and straight to the face... however it turns out to be a world of dogs out there.

how come? i thought dogs are man's best friends... guess you havent been to the right one. seek and you shall find brother...

[rambutan]

Quote: Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?..... No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.

quote ko lang from one of my fave short stories.

[cromagnon]

Quote: how come? i thought dogs are man's best friends... guess you havent been to the right one. seek and you shall find brother...

u can find it on urself..

[jemflordelis]

there would be no purpose for us

[Ger]

Quote: Originally Posted by cromagnon u can find it on urself..

now who told you respect, you? somebody has to lead you the way... bisag ang animals mo emulate sa ilang mama...

[grovestreet]

Quote: Originally Posted by The_Child religion is not to be outgrown. a Rational society is dependent upon religion to maintain its rationality.

kindly look around sir, we don't have a rational society.

[The_Child]

Quote: Originally Posted by grovestreet kindly look around sir, we don't have a rational society.

this thread therefore is a manifestation of that lack of reason in society? the very argument of the lack of rationality includes itself as being irrational.

Quote: Originally Posted by chad_tukes i have switched them off sir, by way of logic and reason.

when you switch off the possibility of religion through the use of reason and logic, it is in itself irrational. why? One must exhaust reason and its possibility, before one could dismiss religion, and precisely because what religion points out is always speculative to reason, then it is impossible to exhaust with certainty reason and logic in regards to religion. To dismiss religion just like that, is also a dismissal of the possibility of reason. it is therefore irrational.

Quote: Originally Posted by chad_tukes we don't need religion to be rational, if that's what you were trying to say. in fact, religion itself is based upon irrationality. harsh but true, imo.

harsh but true? here is an assumption.
religion is not based on irrationality, but the other way around, the very cause on why there is religion is because Man in his use of reason ushers himself to the point where religion and faith is needed.
religion and faith therefore exists because of man's own faculty of reason. Ever asked why animals dont have religion? is precisely because they are not rational.


so before you make hasty conclusion trying to cement it as "harsh but TRUE" its best first to look deeper. Use reason to argue for reason, lets not put to waste the very human quality of being rational, lest we want to be labeled as mere brutes.

[chad_tukes]

Quote: Originally Posted by The_Child when you switch off the possibility of religion through the use of reason and logic, it is in itself irrational. why? One must exhaust reason and its possibility, before one could dismiss religion, and precisely because what religion points out is always speculative to reason, then it is impossible to exhaust with certainty reason and logic in regards to religion. To dismiss religion just like that, is also a dismissal of the possibility of reason. it is therefore irrational.

maybe one should know the roots of religion and how it came about. where did religion come from? who made religion? were the people who made religion rational themselves? or they made religion because they THOUGHT it was rational? there is a big difference. just because one must exhaust reason and its possibility doesn't make religion itself rational. religion is just a man-made concept but it doesn't account for rationality.

Quote: harsh but true? here is an assumption. religion is not based on irrationality, but the other way around, the very cause on why there is religion is because Man in his use of reason ushers himself to the point where religion and faith is needed. religion and faith therefore exists because of man's own faculty of reason. Ever asked why animals dont have religion? is precisely because they are not rational. so before you make hasty conclusion trying to cement it as "harsh but TRUE" its best first to look deeper. Use reason to argue for reason, lets not put to waste the very human quality of being rational, lest we want to be labeled as mere brutes.

you have to go out of your own bubble and view religion in a bird's eye view. religion is a waste of time; it is a manifest of man's need for belongingness, but again, that doesn't mean it's rational. religion can endanger the life of others. thousands of people have been persecuted because of religion. resources are WASTED because of RELIGION. how many churches/cathedrals have been built and later only dwelt with for recognizable useful purposes? now tell me if that's rational.

[vipvip68]

For me, religion is there to achieve social order in a given society.

Some people need to believe in God the same way some people need to be told what to do.

If you do good things not because of God but inspite of Him.. then you no longer need religion.

It takes faith to believe in God. In the same way, it also takes faith not to believe in Him.