Tinuod ba may porgatoryo?

[Pein]

Quote: Originally Posted by MhAkDreamy Taga misa sa patay bayad..hehe..pila diay Rate..na neh special or ordinary super special or a very special...jokeshehe

tinuod jud na. kung special ang bayad dali ra mahaw as sa purgatoryo. kung ordinary murag matanggong kag kad**** didto. so ang kapalaran diay sa kalag sa tawo sa purgatoryo nagdepende sa imong bayad...tsk tsk tsk!

[rclong_rey]

Quote: Originally Posted by Saint_hard ask ko bro what kind of sintensya man pud sa porgatoryo aron ma luwas ka?

just to summarize:
purgatory has three distinct parts. they are situated the one beneath the other, & occupied by souls of different orders. these souls are situated in proportion to the sins they have committed..the same with hell also have distinct parts..
please try to find this book: Purgatory "explained by the lives & legends of the saints" by: Fr. F.X. Schouppe, S.J.
this book will answer your questions about purgatory and and all pains to experience there..

try also buy "my catholic faith" nga book, naa na siya sa catholic trade tag 300 man guro.. san carlos main building...

" An ignorant person is like a dying man lying unconscious: he does not know either the malice of sin or the value of
his soul. He goes from sin to sin, like a rag dragged through the mire." (Saint John Vianney)

and also this link: Ignorance Has The Nature Of Mortal Sin
The Church And Salvation

[Pein]

Quote: Originally Posted by rclong_rey just to summarize: purgatory has three distinct parts. they are situated the one beneath the other, & occupied by souls of different orders. these souls are situated in proportion to the sins they have committed..the same with hell also have distinct parts.. please try to find this book: Purgatory "explained by the lives & legends of the saints" by: Fr. F.X. Schouppe, S.J. this book will answer your questions about purgatory and and all pains to experience there.. try also buy "my catholic faith" nga book, naa na siya sa catholic trade tag 300 man guro.. san carlos main building... " An ignorant person is like a dying man lying unconscious: he does not know either the malice of sin or the value of his soul. He goes from sin to sin, like a rag dragged through the mire." (Saint John Vianney) and also this link: Ignorance Has The Nature Of Mortal Sin The Church And Salvation

ahhh...kaning imong giingon adto ra diay ni nato mabasa sa "my catholic faith" nga book wala diay ni sa Bible?

hmmmm...

[rclong_rey]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pein tinuod jud na. kung special ang bayad dali ra mahaw as sa purgatoryo. kung ordinary murag matanggong kag kad**** didto. so ang kapalaran diay sa kalag sa tawo sa purgatoryo nagdepende sa imong bayad...tsk tsk tsk!

pinakataas nga means sa pag ampo even sa patay is the Holy Sacrifice of Mass.
I tell you guys.. walay butang sa kalibutan nga ikabayad sa Holy sacrifice sa Mass..
it is a grace given by God Himself... kung naa man gani bayad nig Misa dili na bayad para maluwas siya didto.. payment ra na sa kahago sa Pari nga nag perform sa Mass.. kay ato usad nga katungdanan nga mohatag. but kun duna man gani magpabayad ug dako para sa pagperform sa mass it is an abuse by the person itself walay labot ang iya pagperform ana.

[rclong_rey]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pein ahhh...kaning imong giingon adto ra diay ni nato mabasa sa "my catholic faith" nga book wala diay ni sa Bible? hmmmm...

ang naa ana nga book is interpreted from the bible ug gikan pa sa tradition mismo sa church..
gi interpret sa sa mga doctors of church not by an ordinary person.. gi himo na siya para guide as catholic and for salvation..

[Pein]

Quote: Originally Posted by rclong_rey pinakataas nga means sa pag ampo even sa patay is the Holy Sacrifice of Mass. I tell you guys.. walay butang sa kalibutan nga ikabayad sa Holy sacrifice sa Mass.. it is a grace given by God Himself... kung naa man gani bayad nig Misa dili na bayad para maluwas siya didto.. payment ra na sa kahago sa Pari nga nag perform sa Mass.. kay ato usad nga katungdanan nga mohatag. but kun duna man gani magpabayad ug dako para sa pagperform sa mass it is an abuse by the person itself walay labot ang iya pagperform ana.

bayad na sa kahago sa pari? mao ba? lahi ra lagi nang inyo sa gisugo ni Jesus Christ?

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

nagpabayad ba ang mga apostol sa ilang serbisyo? mubuhi man gani silag patay ang inyong mga pari bisan tiki wala man makapabuhi naa na hinuoy bayad...

[Pein]

Quote: Originally Posted by rclong_rey ang naa ana nga book is interpreted from the bible ug gikan pa sa tradition mismo sa church.. gi interpret sa sa mga doctors of church not by an ordinary person.. gi himo na siya para guide as catholic and for salvation..

ahhh so naa diay sa bible tong imong giingon nga three parts ang purgatoryo ug adto ibutang ang kalag sa tawo depende sa sala nga iyang gibuhat? unsa na siya nga verse bro? basin wala na nako mabasahi bah...

[Pein]

Quote: Originally Posted by YPT@2 murag naaa cguro bro ky ingon rman xad cla naa hahahahahahahaha pero paminaw nmo bro naa jud kha ^_^

cge silag handom nga naa jud kuno nang purgatoryo. mao nang ok ra sa ila nga mubuhat ug dautan ug puros demonyo ilang mga members kay naa guy purgatoryo pila ray pagbayad haw as naka didto. ang nakapait lang kung in the end wala jud diay nang purgatoryo. gipangwartahan na sila, impyerno pa jud. paita...

[bungot25]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pein cge silag handom nga naa jud kuno nang purgatoryo. mao nang ok ra sa ila nga mubuhat ug dautan ug puros demonyo ilang mga members kay naa guy purgatoryo pila ray pagbayad haw as naka didto. ang nakapait lang kung in the end wala jud diay nang purgatoryo. gipangwartahan na sila, impyerno pa jud. paita...

bro, if you dont believe in purgatory? you are on the verge of eternal anathema by divine law... you can convert to catholicism anytime you want...be aware that your beliefs are so heretical and it is so condemned...

[threebluepicks]

It's okay to believe in these things if it benefits your life. Just be sure that you don't get swindled or fooled by people who talk a lot about what they know. Basin gi sulod lang mo sa bulsa nila and training you to follow whatever they say. These people will start by telling you about knowledge they have that only a few people know. Then, they will tell you what books to read and where to source these books. Once they see that they have gained your trust and that you are already following their suggestions, sooner or later money will be involved. So watch out lang for this last part. You might loose money because of these people. I have personally experienced this, a person of this profile actually tried to swindle money from me twice. I refused to lend the money because my intuition told me I will loose my money if I lent it to that person.

[gabstafari]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pein wala may contradiction ana. niingon ang Bible walay hugaw nga makasulod sa langit, pangutana pud kung kanus a mahitabo nga dili na pwedeng makasulod ang hugaw didto...kay sa present, pwede pang makasulod sa pagkakaron si satanas sa langit pero muabot ang panahon dili na siya pwedeng makasulod didto.

basin ang gi pasabot anang "maka sulod" "enters" = "maka puyo sa langit"


well its true nga si satanas nakasulod sa langit. pero unsa man iya gi buhat didto? ni puyo diay siya didto?

basin gi hatagan lang to og summon sa ginoo. ahehehehe.

[Saint_hard]

Quote: Originally Posted by rclong_rey just to summarize: purgatory has three distinct parts. they are situated the one beneath the other, & occupied by souls of different orders. these souls are situated in proportion to the sins they have committed..the same with hell also have distinct parts.. please try to find this book: Purgatory "explained by the lives & legends of the saints" by: Fr. F.X. Schouppe, S.J. this book will answer your questions about purgatory and and all pains to experience there.. try also buy "my catholic faith" nga book, naa na siya sa catholic trade tag 300 man guro.. san carlos main building... " An ignorant person is like a dying man lying unconscious: he does not know either the malice of sin or the value of his soul. He goes from sin to sin, like a rag dragged through the mire." (Saint John Vianney) and also this link: Ignorance Has The Nature Of Mortal Sin The Church And Salvation

If naa ni siya sa bible then why are you recommending us to buy those other books? I thought the bible is enough for us to know what porgatory is, dili diay...

[necrotic freak]

Quote: Originally Posted by Saint_hard If naa ni siya sa bible then why are you recommending us to buy those other books? I thought the bible is enough for us to know what porgatory is, dili diay...

naa na jud na siya sa bible bro, kanang state of cleansing/purgation. kana kung makasabot ka gikan sa bible mismo. pero ingon man gud ka sa imong mga post nga "nag libogka/wala ka kasabot" mao na aron ka makasabot gi recommend ka ana nga mga books aron makasabot naka unsay gipasabot nga naa sa bible.. pero kung naka GETZ naka sa pag basa palang daan sa bible. aw no need na ka mo buy ana nga mga books..

[necrotic freak]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pein cge silag handom nga naa jud kuno nang purgatoryo. mao nang ok ra sa ila nga mubuhat ug dautan ug puros demonyo ilang mga members kay naa guy purgatoryo pila ray pagbayad haw as naka didto. ang nakapait lang kung in the end wala jud diay nang purgatoryo. gipangwartahan na sila, impyerno pa jud. paita...

Ok ra pein mo ingon ka mga Demonyo mi.. mga anghel baya mo taga ADD...

[Saint_hard]

Quote: Originally Posted by rclong_rey mao na mga dili tanan mapasaylo kay lisod mahimong perfect sa karun nga panahon.. but we need to try hard for this not to say no such thing as perfect. unsa may pulos sa pgpakatawo ni Jesus.. nagpakatawo siya para pag prove nga bisan ug human ta we can be perfect.. if we are concern for salvation, we must conquer the perfection.. but even mamatay nga di pefect, basta dili lang pod ka angayan ma imperno nya di pa pud angayan malangit,, if tuo mo ug cleansing place, then makatabang pa nato ang prayers sa uban nga maka hinumdum nato... 2 machabees 12:46 "it is therefore a Holy and Wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins"

Bro the statement above is what I mean nga confusing bah...and besides i dont need other books to proved it nga porgatoryo