Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[cliff_drew]

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yes proportionate na siya if ang gobyerno walay gihimo sa mga jobless og uneducated people. mao unta na ilng tagaan og priority dili kay pruo band aid solutions.

Dili ni band-aid solutions sir. The time has come na to implement this. Do you think RH is new? This is ought to be a program of two DOH secretaries way back 1998. And due to arising maternal deaths and complications, this become a need.

[vipvip68]

yes proportionate na siya if ang gobyerno walay gihimo sa mga jobless og uneducated people. mao unta na ilng tagaan og priority dili kay pruo band aid solutions.

Ang band aid solution is to keep allocating money to care and feed those families nga tag 12 ang anak unya di maka supporta.

Thats why you solve the problem at its source through managing the number of children per family through education and access to reproductive health services.

[vipvip68]

Again its a debate whether when did life begins? fertilization or implantation ?

Anyway the PMA agrees life start at fertilization. so this contraceptives are abortifacient.

Then how come pills are legally available? And why walay complaints ang church about that before this rhb issue came out?.... Klaro na kaayo nangita lang excuses....

[Romeojin]

mga bro klarohon lang nato RH Bill is an anti abortion...basin maglain nasad kabuhi anang mga tga church basa ani..if cge ta hisgot abortion..i am a roman catholic i do agree 101% on RH bill..reason: population is directly proportional to poverty...mao nay tinuod bsan kinsa imo pangutan on..

babalik naman na. moingon lagi ang bill ang na dili mo suport ug abortion but yet the fact wa gyud na filter out which contraceptives to used cause there are contraceptives with abortifacient effects. And the bill states full range of supplies and the proponents of the bill says life begins at implantation.

there is little cross-country evidence that population growth impedes or promotes economic growth...population neutralism has in fact been the predominant school in thinking among academics about population growth for the last half-century.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_r...007/MR1274.pdf

There is no clear association appears to exist in the present sample of countries, or is likely to exist in other developed countries, between rates of growth of population and of product per capita -- thats according to Nobel prize winner Kuznets. Similar conclusions have been arrived at by the US National Research Council in 1986 and in the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) Consultative Meeting of Economists in 1992" and the studies of Hanushek and Wommann (2007), Doppelhoffer, Miller, Sala-I-Martin (2004), Ahlburg (1996), etc. The other Nobel Prize winner who expressed the same view is Gary Becker.

The question is kinsa man pud imong gipangutana wa man gyud relation between population and poverty.

But even you are right, (but you are very wrong). There is no population control measure of the bill , si Lagman na nag-ingon ana. Unsa pag control when kita ra gihapon mag buot pila atong anak ?? the pro life people will still have many children. Families with over 2 children doesnt not help with population growth.

[em_b]

this is a worldwide problem, they are people who believe life starts at implantation thats why they dont see this contraceptives as abortion. The only thing we can do is to ban this products.

This I have to disagree. Assuming that there are people who believes that this form of contraception is not abortificient. Considering that it is legally sold and widely used, it is safe to assume that majority thinks that this is not abortificient. Why ban the product? To satisfy some who thinks it is abortificient?

Will not passing the bill make pills illegal? I do not think so. That is entirely a different debate. What was in the bill is the provision of legal and safe contraceptives. As long as pills will be legal and considered safe by international and national standards, please respect our legal rights to avail of this products.

If and only if in the long run pills and other methods you said abortificient will be classified as abortificient, I believe they will also not include it in the list of safe and legal contraceptives.

[Romeojin]

And why banning products where indeed not yet proven as abortifacients and these are legally used today? Do you think its fair?

Yes its unfair cause people keep using it without knowing it cause early abortions, extermination an innocent life is unfair. Yes its unfair cause we learn in science that life begins with fertilization and yet there are group of people who twist it, just to sell their products; trick their clients that their product doesnt cause abortion. The debate still continues, hopefully things will resolve before we discuss RH bill.

yes the government had done something like the Senate cut the proposed budget of P 880M for contraceptives down to P 8M for condoms since other contraceptives violated the Constitution's ban on abortifacients, and Senator Tito Sotto III said that his constituents never asked for contraceptives.

[Romeojin]

Again, the church should direct its complaints to the fda / bfad and tell them to ban these contraceptives. The bill merely distributes whatever is considered safe and legal.

it isnt just the Church, the PMA (largest group of doctors in Philippines), civic groups, pro life groups and people who are concern about abortion et al.

[em_b]

this is a worldwide problem, they are people who believe life starts at implantation thats why they dont see this contraceptives as abortion. The only thing we can do is to ban this products.

Yes its unfair cause people keep using it without knowing it cause early abortions, extermination an innocent life is unfair. Yes its unfair cause we learn in science that life begins with fertilization and yet there are group of people who twist it, just to sell their products; trick their clients that their product doesnt cause abortion. The debate still continues, hopefully things will resolve before we discuss RH bill.

yes the government had done something like the Senate cut the proposed budget of P 880M for contraceptives down to P 8M for condoms since other contraceptives violated the Constitution's ban on abortifacients, and Senator Tito Sotto III said that his constituents never asked for contraceptives.

These are yet to be proven. What is unfair is to deny someone of their legal rights to avail legal services and products.

[Romeojin]

This I have to disagree. Assuming that there are people who believes that this form of contraception is not abortificient. Considering that it is legally sold and widely used, it is safe to assume that majority thinks that this is not abortificient. Why ban the product? To satisfy some who thinks it is abortificient?

Will not passing the bill make pills illegal? I do not think so. That is entirely a different debate. What was in the bill is the provision of legal and safe contraceptives. As long as pills will be legal and considered safe by international and national standards, please respect our legal rights to avail of this products.

If and only if in the long run pills and other methods you said abortificient will be classified as abortificient, I believe they will also not include it in the list of safe and legal contraceptives.

correction, the majority doesnt know they are abortifacient. There are estimated over 30M+ unborn babies are being killed by these contraceptives in the US alone.

you are open to abortion pud di ba? your body your choice; maternal care should have access to abortion like Hilary Clinton said.
whats the point debating with you?

[vipvip68]

Yes its unfair cause people keep using it without knowing it cause early abortions, extermination an innocent life is unfair. Yes its unfair cause we learn in science that life begins with fertilization and yet there are group of people who twist it, just to sell their products; trick their clients that their product doesnt cause abortion. The debate still continues, hopefully things will resolve before we discuss RH bill.

yes the government had done something like the Senate cut the proposed budget of P 880M for contraceptives down to P 8M for condoms since other contraceptives violated the Constitution's ban on abortifacients, and Senator Tito Sotto III said that his constituents never asked for contraceptives.

The bill only distributes what is currently allowed. The catholic church is barking up the wrong tree and is just actually looking for excuses to support their stance.

The abortifacient argument is best directed at the FDA/BFAD on why these bills are LEGALLY being allowed.

As you said... our Laws are shaped by what is Morally and Culturally accepted..