What matters the most when hiring a programmer?

[digitalsuperman]

Quote: Originally Posted by javapenguin What if the one without diploma belongs to your fifth criteria? 5. 21-25 years old female with pleasing personality at least 5.2 in height with full photo on biodata

now thats a different story..basically it overloads all other critera... hahahaha..

[silent-kill]

yeah thats another story... and you dont get shortlisted if you don't have that very important qualification.

[simoncpu]

If given the chance to choose programmers, my requirements would be:
- High IQ, high intuition, and the ability to see the future.
- High risk tolerance; it's very frustrating to see "senior" developers refuse to innovate and change even if an existing system is a failure.
- High creativity or high organization ability. Usually, you can't find a creative person who's organized and vice-versa, but I assure you that your team would be successful if you combine creative and organized people in a single team. They might constantly fight on technical issues, but the end result is quality output.


[ simon.cpu ]

[INFRACTION]

nyc ka simon...sakto gyud ka

[cebugdev]

Quote: Originally Posted by javapenguin I totally agree with you guys but how come most of the hiring you see in the newspaper ads require at least a BS degree?

There are skills that are not learned in school. But schools builds the foundation..
Importante ghapon ang education since most of the things learned from school are sooner or later magamitan sa actual field, that is if naminaw jd mo..
Imagine kng wla kay idea sa Data structures and design? How about Design Patterns? or software engineering, or how about just plained old OS concepts.,

YUP of course maka BUILD mo ug software without proper education, But imagine your code.. Probably
full of Hacks, tweaks, Design problem or worst loop holes.

Anyways ANYone these days has the right to call them selves PROGRAMMERS, sayun naman gud ang mga language karn, Displaying an Image is just an API away and developers does not even care how JPEG was encoded/decoded or how an Mpeg,Mpeg2, Mp3,Mp4 differs?

aside from technical skills, kelangan pd ma train ;
a) Descipline
b) Patience
c) Analytical skills
d) communication skills, including interaction.

Hiring a programmer is investing on them NOT by their technical skills alone but also their personality, Its all about busines guys, sooner or later mahimu mo ug MANAGERs or leaders and your decision matters sa dagan sa company. Or basin nag damgo ra mo na Programmer ra mo 4ever.
Your transcript at least show a "shadow" of who you are, but not everything.

School helps build up things Mao nay reason naay education. And dli na na malalis.
Persons like Gates or Jobs na mga drop out BUILD their company wlay cla Nangapply and its a different story.

[simoncpu]

Quote: Originally Posted by javapenguin I totally agree with you guys but how come most of the hiring you see in the newspaper ads require at least a BS degree?

I think the person who's hiring is not that good.

A talented person can recognize talent in his fellow programmers, ma college drop-out man or ma PhD-holder man. Data structures and design? Design patterns? They can easily be learned through self-study.

Quote: Originally Posted by cebugdev YUP of course maka BUILD mo ug software without proper education, But imagine your code.. Probably full of Hacks, tweaks, Design problem or worst loop holes.

I've seen such code made by people who are supposed to teach proper design and architecture in school. It turns out that experience is a better teacher after all...

[ simon.cpu ]

[softtouch]

Quote: Originally Posted by simoncpu I think the person who's hiring is not that good. A talented person can recognize talent in his fellow programmers, ma college drop-out man or ma PhD-holder man. Data structures and design? Design patterns? They can easily be learned through self-study. I've seen such code made by people who are supposed to teach proper design and architecture in school. It turns out that experience is a better teacher after all... [ simon.cpu ]

Very much right. I sh..t on a grade. I would hire a programmer based on his/her skills, not and stupid grade. If you want to make money, you hire people who have the skills, not people who have lots of diploma etc. or which are fresh graduated.

[silent-kill]

important gihapon ang degree para nako heeheh.. lets not pat our own backs here.
I believe that you can have both, a degree and the skill necessary to succeed in your chosen field

lets not make it an excuse that we don't need school cuz we are better programmers that those who got a degree... hehehe thats plain silly and being uberly lazy hehehee.

[javapenguin]

Quote: Originally Posted by cebugdev Persons like Gates or Jobs na mga drop out BUILD their company wlay cla Nangapply and its a different story.

Talented programmers need big dreams not diploma.

[silent-kill]

not only big dreams... but also guts, perseverance and determination.

If we compare our selves with bill gates.. wala rata ana niya.. hehehee... i haven't heard bill gates posting into forums... talking about this kind of stuff.. He was out there doing his dreams and not just dreaming of it.

and also bill gates was not only the "talented programmer type" but he was also the visionary type who sees every opportunity that comes his way and grab it.

still my question; why not have both? a degree and the skill

[softtouch]

Quote: Originally Posted by silent-kill not only big dreams... but also guts, perseverance and determination. If we compare our selves with bill gates.. wala rata ana niya.. hehehee... i haven't heard bill gates posting into forums... talking about this kind of stuff.. He was out there doing his dreams and not just dreaming of it. and also bill gates was not only the "talented programmer type" but he was also the visionary type who sees every opportunity that comes his way and grab it. still my question; why not have both? a degree and the skill

Sure, degree and skill is fine, but not JUST the degree, that means nothing...

[javapenguin]

Quote: Originally Posted by softtouch_ph Sure, degree and skill is fine, but not JUST the degree, that means nothing...

Correct!!! You need to have passion in programming, coz passion drives perfection. (maybe near perfection since nobody's perfect, hehehe)

[silent-kill]

Quote: Originally Posted by softtouch_ph Sure, degree and skill is fine, but not JUST the degree, that means nothing...

you made it sound more dramatic bro! LOL

[simoncpu]

Quote: Originally Posted by silent-kill still my question; why not have both? a degree and the skill

Lahi2x ra ma reason sa mga tao. Ako kay wala lang... I didn't see the point on why I would continue.

I'm a poor guy; I couldn't afford to go to a school with professors that have PhD in computer science and mathematics. I wish I could go to a school where teachers really know how to create an operating system. I wish I could go to a school that can teach me kernel-level programming, artificial intelligence, robotics, cryptography and other interesting subjects. Here in Cebu, they only teach you Adobe Photoshop, MS Office, and very basic programming... I wish I could afford to go to a better university...

[ simon.cpu ]