MERGED: Visayas - The New Republic?

[tempest]

Artistahin? Oo nga no? Hindi kayo nag ra rally dyan.

Yung stand nyo kasi dyan parang bakla.

[kobmat]

Quote: Originally Posted by tempest Artistahin? Oo nga no? Hindi kayo nag ra rally dyan. Mga bakla kasi kayo eh.

Bakla.. we just dont believe in rallies and etc.. traffic2x ra na. Samuk2x..

[Wind Shear]

@ tempest: Anong bakla? I don't belive rallies kay puro ra satsat.

[arnoldsa]

Yeah especially the commies

[Wind Shear]

MAg independent kayo. Pero promise us na kung may trouble dyan hwag na hwag kayong tatakbo sa Bohol, sa Mindanao at lalong lalo na dito sa Maynila kundi malintikan kayo sa amin.

And promise us that if there is a serious trouble in Manila, don't expect that anyone will welcome you.

[gtboy]

I think that Cebu should separate itself from the rest of the Philippines.

There is too much noise in Luzon, and too many wars in Mindanao. Come to think of it, around 80% of the Philippines' Tourism comes from the Visayas.

It won't be too bad for Cebu to separate. Cebu is rich.. it has the SRP which is about 300+ hectares (3M sq.m. of land), which is initially sold at only P15,000 per sq.m. (from a reliable source) (3M x P 15,000 = Php 45B) -- that's more than enuf to pay for the debt.

Cebu also has the economic zone (zones -- if SRP becomes operational).. the city may not be able to earn from tax but can give thousands of jobs to Cebuanos.

I would also like to point out that Cebu is well-controlled & well-managed.. which we need in order to progress. Too much independence cause conflicts, which will ruin plans for progress.

Are you not tired of letting people from the North appoint whoever president they want?!

What do you think?

[gtboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by LytSlpr HAHAHAHA!!!!! I believe that won't happen sir! Let's leave politics for awhile ang go to economics. Cebu is what we call a self-liquidating or a self-sustaining province. Do you know what that means? That means we can exist and progress on OUR OWN. Imperial Manila is sucking OUR REVENUES. Why? because all provinces REMIT their taxes to the national government and only a mere fraction of our taxes are returned for our respective province's development. The sharing is not equitable. Thus UNFAIR! That's why we want a leader who is inclined towards federalism. GMA has that inclination. If the opposition wins they will just say that they want Federalism but will not actually apply it. WHY? because the money that they will steal and squander will be lesser.

I totally agree.. but why GMA. We have our own great leaders. One would be our mayor.

Federalism, y not make Cebu a nation itself. Cebu can already sustain itself, all that s left to do is build a defensive unit. A Cebu Military group to protect Cebu, as a nation. Local police will ensure peace and order within the cities of Cebu, while Cebu Military group will protect the Country of Cebu from outside threats.

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[gtboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by brian_d I think Cebu is better off as part of the Philippines than it being an independent country. (At this point in time anyway).....

Correct!!!
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[gtboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tempest Quote: Originally Posted by mAlD|tO Quote: Originally Posted by tempest Yang independence na yan, SOURGRAPING lang yan. Kawawa ang Cebu pag talsik si GMA. Reresbak ang Luzon. kawawa ang cebu in what way mr tempest? Well siguro in terms of projects. Baka hindi na tulad sa panahon ni GMA na pampered talaga ang Cebu. Yun nga ang hindi ko maintindihan eh. Bat kailangan pang magsipsip ang Cebu sa Presidente gayon na kahit wala siyang suporta sa national government, ay pwedeng tumayo sa sariling paa ang Cebu. Tulad ng Mayor namin na si Lito Atienza, bat siya sipsip kay GMA eh mabuhay naman ang Maynila on her own.

mr tempest.. don't be an idiot. Of course we still need to be in good terms with the President.. budget still comes from the Malacañang.. dumb ass.
Government agencies (both Local and National) is still under the Malacañang. Ang problema lang kay wa nkadaug ang panday kontra anak sa former president. D baya ni salida na kinahanglan ug artista.. Mao na lagot ang tag-North kay pinangga man ang Cebu..

Mao bitaw maau na mag-buwag2x nalang ta para makita ang katag!!! Ngili-ngig man kaha gyud ang Luzon, labaw na Manila.. we'll see.

[gtboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Redeyes Independence usually requires taking up arms and fighting the government which i'm pretty sure none us would want. The world are probably going to be ignorant about us because of the government is going to tell the world about a "renegade" province. Cebuanos should determine their own future not beneath the domination manila government. Cebu would have been way ahead if were independent then. yes, i'm for cebu secession from the philippines. after all, Cebu is the reason why the Philippines exists, but i doubt Manila will allow this to happen cuz of the constitution.

Why does Cebu need to think about the Philippine Constitution. Cebu should separate.. as a separate nation.
Cebu economy, Cebu market, Cebu business, Cebu problems, Cebu answers... Cebu should totally be independent.. para makita ang katag!!!

We hate to admit it, but a lot of people from the North still believe that they are superior from other provinces of the Philippines, like Cebu. They believe that they are more advanced while the rest are living like cavemen.

Believe it or not, someone I know from the North thought that Cebu is a total rural area -- she never thought that Cebu has any lightposts..

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[gtboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by LytSlpr Quote: Originally Posted by whiteoleander The problem with the people in the capital is that they think they are the only citizens of the country , deciding for the country's fate. They have forgotten that the Philippines isn't just Manila , it isn't just Luzon. How about the Visayas and Mindanao? How could they just change the country's president with a "revolution" so easily? They are now deafened by their own shouts that they can't hear the voices of the filipinos from another regions or the voices of the filipinos living abroad. no wonder if small cities and island like ours doesnt want to be a part of this country because of how theyre acting , like Philippines = Manila. duh. VERY TRUE! I can still vividly remember the Ceboom period. When there were direct international flights to Cebu. Foreigners mostly Japanese think that Cebu is a country in itself.

Yes.. CEBOOM!!! Lito Osmeña did a great job on that.

[gtboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tempest So you are really serious about this independence eh. Tell me, where will you get your army? Where will you get your taxes? Where is your infrastructure? You dont even have a primitive subway or railroad? Most of all, where will you get your resources to feed your people? Your leaders are not even united because they too have their own selfish agenda. I dont think you can do it. Not even in my wildest dreams.

Army?! Did you not know that there are many Cebuano leaders now in the National army.. If there will be an independent Cebu, they would most probably like to be a part of this new Cebu Country.

Taxes? WE WILL BE A SEPARATE NATION!!! We will have our own tax system. There are and will be more local and international business here in Cebu.

Our leaders are not united? Do you know that Cebu City Mayor and City Council are under one party..

Resources to feed the Cebuanos? Maybe we'll chop2x ur head and make it into sisig!!

[gtboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tempest You are Filipinos first and foremost. You are like children who were having tantrums for not being given candies. Your territory is small. Its not viable. If you will insist the Philippines will "invade" you and in one day your independent Cebu will be like a trampled cigarrette butt.

Are you sure? Basin nasuya mo na pinangga ang Cebu sa presidente. Mao na cge mo ug rebelde.

[Redeyes]

The government will always make Luzon(NCR) their first priority!

[whiteoleander]

i dont think its possible ...