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Old 11-16-2008, 10:24 PM
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Wa na jud ko'y bilib aning mga taga-logs, kay bisan sa kanta kosog man gani mangopya. Mga bolay-og man gud ni sila. Onya mag-binata dayon, mao nay modala sa atong nasud? Sa olympics lang gani hapit na ta dili ka-gold kay ang atomg mga olympians padreno-system man gud. Hasta atong pelikula hapit tanan mga direktor puros bayot mao na ang atong salida walay asenso, puros binayot! Wala na jud mapili aning mga taga-logs. Bisan gani si Rizal pagka-tagbaw sa kinabuhi nga haruhay ni-uli dinhi aron lang jud ma-bayani kuno. Parehas lang ug kaning ginganlan ug Ninoy ni-uli lang jud para mag-hikog. Mao ni ang mga taga-log mga pulpol! Dili jud ta mo-asenso basta mga taga-log ang magdala sa nasud. I'll bet on it. Nailad jud ta aning mga hanggaw!

Otro sab tong ginganlag Quezon, perteng hinambog og panaway sa mga Amerkano, pero pag-gubat(WWII) og pagkasakit niya, didto dayon dagan sa Amerika. Hangtud namatay didto pa nagpalubong sa US. Maylang ni sa hinambog ang mga taga-log. Patugatuga!
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Old 11-16-2008, 10:30 PM
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Wa na jud ko'y bilib aning mga taga-logs, kay bisan sa kanta kosog man gani mangopya. Mga bolay-og man gud ni sila. Onya mag-binata dayon, mao nay modala sa atong nasud? Sa olympics lang gani hapit na ta dili ka-gold kay ang atomg mga olympians padreno-system man gud. Hasta atong pelikula hapit tanan mga direktor puros bayot mao na ang atong salida walay asenso, puros binayot! Wala na jud mapili aning mga taga-logs. Bisan gani si Rizal pagka-tagbaw sa kinabuhi nga haruhay ni-uli dinhi aron lang jud ma-bayani kuno. Parehas lang ug kaning ginganlan ug Ninoy ni-uli lang jud para mag-hikog. Mao ni ang mga taga-log mga pulpol! Dili jud ta mo-asenso basta mga taga-log ang magdala sa nasud. I'll bet on it. Nailad jud ta aning mga hanggaw!

Otro sab tong ginganlag Quezon, perteng hinambog og panaway sa mga Amerkano, pero pag-gubat(WWII) og pagkasakit niya, didto dayon dagan sa Amerika. Hangtud namatay didto pa nagpalubong sa US. Maylang ni sa hinambog ang mga taga-log. Patugatuga!
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Old 11-16-2008, 10:45 PM
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Default Dili ko patugatuga pareha ni Quezon, Rizal, Ninoy, Bolante!

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Wala ko mangambisyon nga magpatugatuga.

Beh hinganli kuno bisag osa nga taga-log nga bayani o presidente nga maayo pagdala sa nasud? walay mapili nila tanan. Mga hakog gyud ning mga taga-log kay bisan katong ginganlag Bonifacio og Aguinaldo nag-ilog man gani sa gahum, mao nga gipapatay ni Aguinaldo si Bonifacio, aron siya ra jud mahimong hawud hangtud na-presidente siya. Onya bayani diay to sila? Paita gyud ninyo mga taga-log walay mapili! Pag-research sab mo mga taga-log kung angayan ba sila ma-bayani oi! Ang ako lang gusto makamata ang mga tawo sa tinood nahitabo sukad sa unang panahon. Bonifacio, Aguinaldo, Rizal, Quezon, Ninoy, (Bolante sab diay), etc. mo-bilib jud ko nila? Patugatuga man gud mo!
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:40 AM
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manila is not the philippines! independent cebu!
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:19 PM
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ang kaapan man gud sa pinas kay ang mga buotan ug honest nga politiko dili kadaog sa election, kay tungod honest gani. Makadaog ba diay ka sa election kung mag-inahonest ka.

ug sakto si rodsky, dili na ta mag gamit ug taga-.
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dili man jud na malikayan kung ang sistema sa gobyerno kay centralized, kung ang cebu pa ang kapital as atong nasod sukad pa ni Legazpi hangtod karon, ang magbagutbot sab kay ang mga tagalog ug uban.

this only shows us how deep in our culture the institution of crab mentality has already embedded itself. cheers.
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:12 PM
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I want you to know guys that we cannot avoid regionalism because we are already separated by waters, so dili jud kalikayan nga lahi jud ta. Ngano man lagi ang Singapore ni-separate man sa Malaysia unya perteng asensoha. Onsa man na ang manila dili ka-barog kong walay hinabang sa gitawag nila og mga PROBINSIYA? Mamugos man jud na sila nga usa ra ta?

WE ARE ALREADY SEPARATED INTO DIFFERENT LANDS. SO WE ARE VERY DIFFERENT. WE CANNOT AVOID THAT! And being separated into different lands by water is a hindrance to our advancement.

Wala ko mangandoy nga ang bohol or cebu mahimo nga kapital aning pilipinas. Ang akong pangandoy nga ma-concentrate kada-island sa ilang kaugalingon nga paningkamot og matagbaw sa ilang kaugalingon nga abot. Karon ang manila ra jud ang nabusog sa income sa tanan nga probinsya.

So to abolish what you call "CRAB MENTALITY" my friend, we must separate each other. Mahadlok man gud ang manila nga ma-wala ang mga probinsya kay dili man gud na sila kabarog kung sila ra.

THE ISLANDS WILL NEVER PROSPER AS LONG AS WE ARE UNDER THE MANILA GOVERNMENT. I am very sure of that.
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I want you to know guys that we cannot avoid regionalism because we are already separated by waters, so dili jud kalikayan nga lahi jud ta. Ngano man lagi ang Singapore ni-separate man sa Malaysia unya perteng asensoha. Onsa man na ang manila dili ka-barog kong walay hinabang sa gitawag nila og mga PROBINSIYA? Mamugos man jud na sila nga usa ra ta? WE ARE ALREADY SEPARATED INTO DIFFERENT LANDS. SO WE ARE VERY DIFFERENT. WE CANNOT AVOID THAT! And being separated into different lands by water is a hindrance to our advancement. THE ISLANDS WILL NEVER PROSPER AS LONG AS WE ARE UNDER THE MANILA GOVERNMENT. I am very sure of that.
It's very convenient for you to be using a public forum such as iStorya.net where you can hide behind a callsign, nick or handle, for if you did this in real life, you do realize your remarks above are actually sowing the seeds of separatism, and viewed from a National perspective, grounds for subversion and rebellion?

-RODION

"You can only know where you're going, if you know where you've been." - James Burke / Jose Rizal
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:39 PM
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So what? i am entitled to my own opinion! and i tell you once again, WE ARE DIFFERENT! So what do you want? Onsa man lang diay akong buhaton, bisag mao na akong na-observahan sa kahimtang sa aning nasura? Dili lang diay ko mo-share sa akong obserbasyon? Onsa man diay ning ISTORYA.NET para lang diay ni sa mga kabuang og hinanggaw?

Si Gloria bitaw gusto na man unta to mo-separate sa malakanyang katong i-impeach siya, nahilum man lagi ang Impeachment pag aksyon ni Gloria nga ibalhin didto sa cebu ang seat of government. Mismo ang presidente separatist na adto! Pag-observar gud!

And yes! i am sowing seeds of separatism because this manila government is like a leech sucking the blood from rest of the islands. WE ARE DIFFERENT TO EACH OTHER. (Onsa na sab kahay sunod nga balita human aning Bolante?) Gihimung personal bank account ang income og singot sa katawhan aning nasura!
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:04 PM
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james,

there is no visa problem for this matter. the Phil and Cebu could open up an agreement just like to the ASEAN countries and also in Europe. Only passport will be presented.
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:40 PM
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Habang may tatsulok at sila ang nasa tuktok
Di matatapos itong gulo.
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Old 11-18-2008, 07:11 AM
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independent cebu?

Resources: wala tay TUBIG, KURYENTE, PAGKAON
Peace & Order: di ta kapugong sa crime rate nga pina ka taas entero visayas, nag away2x pa gyud ang mga pulitiko, problema sa krimen, mga fraternity gang ug uban pa
Finance: DAKO KAAYO utang ang Cebu

unless anybody can come up and assure us that we'll have enough food, water, electricity, peace & order and enough funds to run cebu as a country cge padayon sa gibati pero if mu fail the person proposing this should be tortured and executed live on national television.
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independent cebu?

Resources: wala tay TUBIG, KURYENTE, PAGKAON
Peace & Order: di ta kapugong sa crime rate nga pina ka taas entero visayas, nag away2x pa gyud ang mga pulitiko, problema sa krimen, mga fraternity gang ug uban pa
Finance: DAKO KAAYO utang ang Cebu

unless anybody can come up and assure us that we'll have enough food, water, electricity, peace & order and enough funds to run cebu as a country cge padayon sa gibati pero if mu fail the person proposing this should be tortured and executed live on national television.
Cge maghangad na lang ta aning manila kay mga bulay-og man sab ta. Magsige na lang ta laum aning manila nga sukad pa sa una wala jud ta mo-progress.

Resources:wala tay TUBIG, KURYENTE, PAGKAON - o kay gihatud man pirme didto sa manila ang atong kaugalingong income onya wala nay mabalik kay gi-kurakot na ni Bolante, mga kongresman, mga general, senador, BIR, og tanan ahensya sa goberno sa manila.

Peace & Order:di ta kapugong sa crime rate... - o kay wala tay budget kay gi-kurakot na sa mga general sa manila ang budget sa police.

Finance: DAKO KAAYO utang ang Cebu - o kay wala tingali utang ang manila kay tua man gud nila ang budget sa cebu ug uban pang probinsya.

Sus ninyo goberno sa manila, kamo'y angay i-tortured and executed live on national television. Mga salbahis! kamo'y pinaka-salbahis nga kriminal!
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nanggawas nasad ang pagka.garboso aning mga tawhana o...ngano mang magpalahi man gyud? mura rbag dli mosangpit sa lain kung naay problema.
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I want you to know guys that we cannot avoid regionalism because we are already separated by waters, so dili jud kalikayan nga lahi jud ta. Ngano man lagi ang Singapore ni-separate man sa Malaysia unya perteng asensoha. Onsa man na ang manila dili ka-barog kong walay hinabang sa gitawag nila og mga PROBINSIYA? Mamugos man jud na sila nga usa ra ta?

WE ARE ALREADY SEPARATED INTO DIFFERENT LANDS. SO WE ARE VERY DIFFERENT. WE CANNOT AVOID THAT! And being separated into different lands by water is a hindrance to our advancement.

Wala ko mangandoy nga ang bohol or cebu mahimo nga kapital aning pilipinas. Ang akong pangandoy nga ma-concentrate kada-island sa ilang kaugalingon nga paningkamot og matagbaw sa ilang kaugalingon nga abot. Karon ang manila ra jud ang nabusog sa income sa tanan nga probinsya.

So to abolish what you call "CRAB MENTALITY" my friend, we must separate each other. Mahadlok man gud ang manila nga ma-wala ang mga probinsya kay dili man gud na sila kabarog kung sila ra.

THE ISLANDS WILL NEVER PROSPER AS LONG AS WE ARE UNDER THE MANILA GOVERNMENT. I am very sure of that.
Like you, i have sentiments against the central government, Imperial Manila. But once we separate, under the guise of regionalism, when will it stop? What is the boundary line?

If the Visayas separates, who will hold the negrenese, the boholanos, etc, to separate from us? And it doesnt stop there, we saw the SUGBUAK scenario that clearly shows us that even a "republic of cebu" will be divided, until we end up with a republic of cebu whose geographical and political border is the same with the current border of the City of Cebu. The republic of Cebu?

To abolish Crab Mentality, the problem is not separation, it is the cultural cleansing of all those variables that has embedded itself within our culture providing us with wrong values. We should start with Rizal's Two novels, hailed to be the best of everything Filipino. Did somebody actually read it? there's nothing there but filipino misery and corruption. Not even the ending gave a favorable value to us Filipinos, and why do we hail it as the best for us filipinos?


separation with water is not a hindrance to advancement. this is a common mistake. Look at Luzon, the Cordillera region, it is not separated by water, but the people there lusts for each others blood. Look at Cebu, an island, there is advancement unlike the Cordillera region, almost the entire visayas region speaks bisaya and almost northern mindanao. Hiligaynon is not that different from bisaya. does that hinder advancement? but the opposite, because of water surrounding us, we are able to advance and promote culture trade et al. Not to mention that Cebu, has already been a asian trade port since before magallanes came in. WATER is not a HIndrance, allow me to clarify that.

also, the issue of singapore is different. They declared independence when the Federation of the Malayan States was not yet cemented. If we were able to do the right thing during the time, we would have with us the oil rich province of Sabah, which is right fully ours. (all because of a misinterpreted clause).

So, i dont think that separation is a solution. it is more of a problem than a solution. But i do feel the same sentiment against the central government. But we could not blame them because they are only playing their roles as the system itself dictates.
A compromise, i believe, is FEDERALISM, which would be better for Cebu being one of the most progressive and richest province in the country.

cheers.
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