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Old 07-20-2005, 08:33 PM
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for some reason, competitive shooters don't trust guns from danao.
Murphy's Military Law: Remember that the weapon is bought from the lowest bidder.
i was talking about competitive shooters in cebu. yes, competitive shooters who use at least 100 rounds every weekend and at least 500 rounds per practice day, never trust danao-made guns.

actually military weapons are tested for at least 5,000 rounds before being approved for purchase.

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Old 07-20-2005, 10:45 PM
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Ah, yeah. Salamat sa kasayuran bai. It maybe of lowest bidder pero dako ang presyo (relatively speaking).

And of course no, naa man pud gunsmiths walay lisensya sa Danao that means dili ta kaguarantee sa quality and safety. Basin mabuto hinuon ang pusil.
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for some reason, competitive shooters don't trust guns from danao.
Murphy's Military Law: Remember that the weapon is bought from the lowest bidder.
i was talking about competitive shooters in cebu.Â* yes, competitive shooters who use at least 100 rounds every weekend and at least 500 rounds per practice day, never trust danao-made guns.

actually military weapons are tested for at least 5,000 rounds before being approved for purchase.
Well, quality can always be improved when given enough initiative...
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:05 PM
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Ayon sa aking bubuwit, nag miting daw sina Duterte at Singson at mga iba pang alipores ni GMA sa Malakanyang.

Napagkasunduan na mag declare daw ng independence ang Davao, Cebu at Ilocos para ma blackmail ang taumbayan na hindi susuportahan ang anumang kilos sa pagpapatalsik ni Arroyo sa Malakanyang.

Kaya pala walang kibo ang gobyerno kahit ang pag deklara ng independence ay lantarang paglabag sa konstitusyon dahil may basbas pala ng Malakanyang.

Ang Malakanyang talaga Oo. Di bale nang gumawa ng KABULASTUGAN mapanatili lang nila ang kanilang sarili sa kapangyarihan.

Tapos ay sila pa ang nag susumigaw na "respect the rule of law!"

Sila mismo ang bumaoy sa batas natin. Pwe!
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Old 07-23-2005, 09:59 AM
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Ayon sa aking bubuwit, nag miting daw sina Duterte at Singson at mga iba pang alipores ni GMA sa Malakanyang.

Napagkasunduan na mag declare daw ng independence ang Davao, Cebu at Ilocos para ma blackmail ang taumbayan na hindi susuportahan ang anumang kilos sa pagpapatalsik ni Arroyo sa Malakanyang.

Kaya pala walang kibo ang gobyerno kahit ang pag deklara ng independence ay lantarang paglabag sa konstitusyon dahil may basbas pala ng Malakanyang.

Ang Malakanyang talaga Oo.Â* Di bale nang gumawa ng KABULASTUGAN mapanatili lang nila ang kanilang sarili sa kapangyarihan.

Tapos ay sila pa ang nag susumigaw na "respect the rule of law!"

Sila mismo ang bumaoy sa batas natin.Â* Pwe!
From my point of view, the only reason why the Cebu Officials are doing this is because they don't want to split up Cebu. It's practically blackmail... "We will support you, don't approve the split up..... and release the SRP titles already!!!!"

my $1000 worth..

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I am not a Filipino, never considered myself one a long time ago. I am a Cebuano and my late father once said: "There's a whale of a difference between the two". And that distinction between the Cebuano and Filipino is never more pronounced than the result of the 2001 Senatorial Elections. The election results nationwide from Manila to Mindanao showed an even trend, far below the expectations of the anti-Erap advocates. Can you believe that? After we've been screwed in the ass by a pea-brained Tagawg! But the Cebuanos voted differently. We Cebuanos voted with the same clear sightedness and
maturity that scared the shit out of Marcos and his KBL lap dogs who despite massive cheating and terrorism in collusion with his Ilocano Generals were defeated by the Pusyon Bisaya during the Parliamentary Elections in the seventies. We Cebuanos have a better sense of truth and justice and we have always been the vanguards against tyranny and oppression since 1521 when Chief Lapu-lapu whacked Magellan.

Cebu City was the first established capital of the islands until the seat of the Spanish colonial government was moved to Manila in the early eighteenth century. Why? Can you imagine if Malacanang Palace were in Cebu City in
September 21, 1972? Marcos would have been barbecued in Pasil in less than 24 hours. That's the same reason why Legaspi changed his mind and moved the capital to Manila and not because Cebu was no longer a commercially viable port during the galleon trade with Acapulco . Legaspi was simply traumatized by Magellan's defeat in Mactan and was clearly intimidated by the Cebuanos.

In Col. Manuel Segura's book "Tabunan: The Exploits of Cebu Guerillas", the dauntless yet under armed Cebuanos inflicted the highest number of enemy forces killed per guerilla fighter in the Philippines . The indomitable spirit and determination of the Cebuano fighters to arm themselves against the superior Japanese Forces became the progenitor of the now burgeoning gun (paltik) industry in the province. One of the most
famous guerilla fighter that later became a successful arms manufacturer was Simeon Cortes who once fabricated mortars out of sewer pipes.

The imminent invasion of Australia was thwarted when Japanese General Koga who was carrying the classified blueprint of the of the military plan to invade Australia was captured by Cebuano guerillas off the coast of Minglanilla . Yet this brave tales remain a footnote in military history. Why, because history is written by the Tagawgs of the North. We once had a Cebuano President the late Don Sergio Osmena, Sr. who never got re-elected for being too honest to tell the Filipinos that he cannot promise them a better life in a country reeling from the destruction of war. He never licked the butt of the "Liberator kuno", the legendary mama's boy General Douglas MacArthur. He was a great President in
the wrong country!

Do you know that the Cebuanos produced more world boxing champions than any other ethnic group in the Philippines ? Let me refresh your memories. One of the all time great in the Junior Lightweight division was the legendary Gabriel "Flash" Elorde. The string of World Champions that followed were Bernabe Villacampo, Frank Cedeno, Dodie Boy Penalosa, Jerry Penalosa and Joma Gamboa. The Cebuanos also produced the best singers and musicians in this archipelago. We are all familiar with names like Pilita Corrales, Amapola Cabase, Dulce, Eva Santos, Vernie Varga, Manilyn Reynes, Vina Morales, Chad Borja, Ray-an Fuentes, Stax Hugete, Ingrid Sala Santamaria - the list is almost endless. This is a testament to the artistry and creativity and the passion to excel that is deeply ingrained in the genetic code of every Cebuano.


We are a unique people Blessed by the Sto. Nino. We have lesser typhoons, criminality, traffic jams and virtually no earthquakes. Our artisans are world-class- we have the best furniture makers, the best gun makers, the best guitar makers, and the best delicacies,etc. ,etc.

We deserve nothing less than the best in governance and to be able to run the affairs of the state and economy by ourselves without relying or being exploited by the hopelessly corrupt Manila government. Our children don't have to suffer the torturous Tagawg lessons in school because our own language is more eloquent and superior. Is there a Tagawg word for husband? Or who can better pronounce the words Beatles, popsicle, tricycle, uncle? Cebuanos or Tagawgs? Baaah!! Yet they make a mockery out of our accent and they think all Cebuana girls are maids.

Since the choice of our national leaders will always be superseded by the choice of ignorant
Filipinos, the time is ripe for the Cebuanos to rise and demand self-determination. Mga Moros ra diay maka-hibaw? No doubt we can do better than what Hong Kong and Singapore have accomplished as an independent State. Let the rest of the country be run like hell by the Ilocanos, the Pampangos, Pangasinense and Tagawgs. Give Mindanao to the Moros, they deserve it! Kamong nang botar ni Loi, Ping, Honasan, Angara inyo na ang Pilipinas. Leave Cebu to the Cebuanos. So, who's with me in this crusade? Sugdan na nato mga igsoon! Voice out your anger! Cebuano Pride is Burning! So please don't call me Filipino in the same manner that the Catalans, the Andalucians, the Malaguenas and the Basques don't want to be called Spaniards!



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[color=navy]^^I find there is nothing noble in this sort of thinking; I find this sort of thinking the product of selfish, small, scared and short-sighted minds. I find it an affront to even consider to align 'Cebuano' to this kind of thinking. There is nothing 'Cebuano' about it.

Why should we limit ourselves within our island home? We are Cebu, we are a land that gives birth to statesmen and leaders, artists and artistas, builders, innovators, inventors-- people whose simple words and selfless actions extend towards reaching others, out to the common good.

Why should we fill ourselves with this poison, to turn away from our brothers and sisters just because they live on another island, misguided by their values and trapped by their own foolishness? This is the spirit of backwardness, born back back at the primitive beginning when God once asked the first son of Adam, where is your brother?

Are we to answer like children of cursed Cain who retorts to the Creator, Am I my brother's keeper?!

If Cebuano pride should burn, then let it not run amok and destroy bridges but let it light like a beacon to give life, to give hope in the darkest coldest of nights! To lead the way for others to follow! To come together!

And to see that no matter how much we debate or differ from each other, we are all the same! The same!

Do we not want...? Do we not need(!) the same things-- Safety, Security, Happiness, Love?

Do we not share the same fears for pain and death?

Do we not share the same yearnings for prosperity and life?


We are the same! Essentially we are all the same~ to consider ourselves superior than others is an arrogance that I cannot believe to be a trait of a Cebuano. It's a Nazi ideal-- oh shame shame oh a shame it is to align our hearts and souls to such an ideal.

The island of Cebu lies at the center of the Archipelago, at the core, like a heart.

What would happen to a living body if its heart closes upon itself; cutting away from the rest?
The body will die in degrees, the heart will die inevitably! And so it for this nation, already so burdened.

Is this kind of the legacy we want Cebuanos would leave to the generations to come? Is this the kind of legacy we would want the world to remember Cebu for?

I do not believe so.

So I call out the real Cebuanos...

Not only those who are born and raised on this island's soil but also those who have come to call this island their home..

Those who have come from all places North and South
... East and West...
...Within and Around the Philippines Islands...
...And from other nations...

We who found peace and raised prosperity from living here, that we come together as a community of people

Who dream, look forward and strive ahead towards the time that our values...

...and our way of life on this island can become better and be shared by every one, by every heart, on any island, on any land!

This is our legacy. This is our destiny.

Let us not turn away and stand apart, but let us turn the wrong to right; hold fast and hold to each other, and stand ahead to lead the way.

For your kind consideration.
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Old 06-08-2007, 09:28 PM
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[color=navy]And on another note, would I want to be considered Filipino? To be counted with other Filipinos like Jose Rizal, Leon Kilat, Ninoy Aquino, San Lorenzo Ruiz, Leah Salonga, Rafael 'Paeng' Nepumuceno, Manny Pacquiao and others?

Yes I would!

Because Filipino is my last name, my first name is Cebuano! My middle name is Bisdak!

Thank you very much! :mrgreen:
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I would want Cebu to be separate, not as another country, but as an Independent Economic State<- forgive me if this term is incorrect for I honestly don't know how to call it, I am not as eloquent as the previous two posters. What I meant by this is, I wish Cebu has more independence in keeping it's own money, for it to have more freedom in making the place more prosperous.

I burn too, there is PRIDE in being a Cebuano. Cebuanos always aim for a better Philippines, and we make effort to achieve this, but the number of people who want only to serve themselves are more than those who share the same vision a real Cebuano has. I agree with Bongjo in saying it seems Cebuanos have a better sense of truth and justice and QUALITY in everything may it be Music, Food, Lifestyle.

However, I agree with diem in saying we can never be as Independent as becoming our own Country. And the idea of the Cebuanos becoming a beacon for the rest of the country to is a sweet idea.

The question now is... how do we start doing that? To not act complacent, to not act indifferent but to Proactively make Philippines better by sharing our best practices.

The enormity of the task confounds me.



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I agree with bitch goddess. We need to be given more independence in running our affairs. And that goes to mindanao also. I'm not into separating us with the rest of our countrymen because that only spells a lot of trouble. We don't need that. What we need right now is a genuine effort by everyone to change the corrupted culture that we have. To unite for a common goal not to divide is the solution. I'm proud to be a Filipino and a Cebuano as well. Lets just stick to studying the root causes of the problems that confounds us today before we make drastic solution because this would not solve our problems.
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The idea has been there since, the problem is not with the Ideals but on the execution. pero, is this not inciting to rebellion?

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I also find the ideas of bongjo as inciting to rebellion. ingatz bro.
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agree ko ni bongjo!!!
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Cebu as a country, being excluded from the laws and jurisdiction of the Philippine Republic? Here's a reality check.

*So meaning the citizens of the Republic of Cebu will have to be issued traveller passports and visas just to go to Bohol, or to Negros Oriental...

*So, how are we going to export and import items to the outside world?

Any cargo ships going in and out of the Republic of Cebu has to pass through waters under the jurisdiction of the Philippine government... and airplanes will have to contend with Philippine airspace regulations as well.

* Being a country we'll have more politicking, depending on the form of government we chose. If a democracy, we'd have to have our own congress, Senate etc etc.

* How about our own defenses? Are we going to set up our own military?

Singapore and South Korea demands that each eligible male citizen serve a minimum two years training and service to their military and afterwards drafted into the reserve forces. Are we going to impose the same requirement? Sa ROTC pa lang nagreklamo na, gi-abolish na nga, kani pa kaha?

Cebu becoming a country on its own? Aw come on
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I think we’re not really Cebu without everything else surrounding us – the people, the places, the different dialects.

I am proud of being from Cebu but this does not close my eyes to the beauty of our own Filipino brothers and sisters, their talents and capabilities, and the beauty of other places in the Philippines. Sure we have unique talents and strengths, but we can’t be that proud to think we can easily dismiss the rest of the Philippines because we can live (or THINK we can live) without the rest of it. I can’t imagine having to procure a passport before I can visit neighboring islands [refer to diem’s post]. God forbid. WE are part of a whole.

Besides, if we truly have a “better sense of truth and justice” shouldn’t we be taking advantage of that in such a way that is for the ultimate good of the country – the Philippines - instead of being a coward? Like a student warrior preferring not to go to practice, because he thinks he’s much better than everyone else already there is no use for him to he might as well just stay in his little hut instead and do some serious sword-sharpening. I think it is selfish to want Cebu to be a separate nation. And what arrogance! We should be thankful we don’t have lots of typhoons and earthquakes, not boast about it, because certainly we don’t control typhoons and earthquakes and nor does anybody else. That is not something we can go around bragging about, instead that is something to be THANKFUL for.

And if we truly have better sense, we couldn’t care less about people making fun of our accent and people who think all Cebuana girls are maids (not even a lot of people think that) because obviously they don’t know any better. And there are other important things like maybe you need to talk to your sister because she has recently just been broken-hearted by someone. Perhaps, a Cebuano. Hehe.

And besides there is something about knowing somebody else from another place, who might’ve contributed something important to society, that makes us want to do the same. Let’s not alienate our neighbors. Because like I said we are part of a whole. We can start to view other parts of the whole - the rest of the Philippines - as our inspiration. We can compete to have, say, the country’s best singers or what have you, but let’s make the competition a chance for the Philippines to shine in the world instead of just a chance for Cebu to shine in the Philippines. Let’s look at things like this from a much wider standpoint. Let’s strive for something that can b felt by more people, make more people proud, make people feel encouraged; maybe even be able to help or affect at a much wider range of demography than in just our beloved island. Like a dedication that sounds like: From Cebu to the rest of the Philippines and then to the Whole World with love. Cebuanos want to contribute, we do if we claim we have impeccable taste (sorry if this sounds a little too presumptuous), we strive for the best, we strive for this or that, but we can’t want all of these things just for ourselves.

Let’s start viewing the good things that we claim we know we can do and offer, the contribution and influence we know we can give, as a way to show others that they can do the same and not just to PROVE A POINT – which, I think, is the whole premise of the essay of the unknown author - while not pushing away other equally brilliant contributions, good values and qualities from other people from the rest of the country.

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