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Old 07-10-2005, 06:58 AM
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The new republics


THERE’S a new reason why President Arroyo should not be forced to step down, either by resignation, coup or a monstrous people-power demo. If the opposition succeeds, the governors and their mayors will withdraw their regions and provinces from the Republic of the Philippines.

Secession has become a mantra from Northern Luzon to the hinterlands of Mindanao. As far as the governors are concerned, the political crisis in Metro Manila is the creation of the imperialist Manila politicians. Only the blasé Makati crowd and their kin in the neighboring towns and cities are making all that noise about Mrs. Arroyo being corrupt.

None of the tumult matters to the promdi’s. The provincianos have nothing to do with Metro Manila politics. Bossy Manila has ruled the nation long enough, has dictated the national agenda with insensitivity to the regions. To hell with the corrupt politicians, socialite revolutionaries and demonstrator mercenaries.

Listen to Ilocos Sur Gov. Luis “Chavit” Singson. “We will come out with an Ilocos autonomous region to protect our own constituents,” he told a rally two Wednesdays ago. Boasted his cousin Rep. Eric Singson: “We can take care of our peace and order and our own economy.”

In Mindanao, Mayor Rodrigo Duterte of Davao City said Metro Manila had better think twice before ousting the President “because we Mindanaoans are prepared to sever ties with you and come up with our own Mindanao Republic. We already have a flag in case of any eventuality.”

Governors in the Bicol region and the Visayas have aired similar threats.

Of course the Cebuanos have long dreamed of establishing their own republic long before Mrs. Arroyo. The Moro National Liberation Front wanted a separate Bangsa Moro but settled for the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao.

The Cordillerans are working hard at creating their own autonomous region. The communist New People’s Army has the third biggest army in the country, its own BIR, people’s courts and Ambassador Joma Sison running its foreign office in the Netherlands.

Forbes Park has long established its own republic. Dasmariñas Village requires visitors to apply for a visa before they could enter the place. Ayala Alabang has effectively isolated itself with the onerous toll rates on the Southern Luzon Expressways. Defense forces man entrances to Corinthian Gardens, Bel Air and San Lorenzo to keep intruders out.

Preparations for nationhood are under way. Cebu, which gave Mrs. Arroyo a million-plus majority, is building a new Malacañang Palace.

On Sunday Mayor Duterte played the “national anthem” and displayed the flag of the proposed Mindanao Republic at a public plaza.

The Ilocos region (to be renamed Ilocoslovakia at the United Nations) is developing the Laoag domestic terminal into a first-class international airport.

Bicol, to boost tourism, is building a giant replica of Mayon in every province, with the slogan, the “volcano with the perfect clone.”

What other region or province may secede if we install a military junta or a politburo? Pampanga might federate with the Capampangan-speaking parts of Tarlac and Nueva Ecija.

Bulacan, which supplies Metro Manila’s water supply, may apply for membership in the UN. Rizal, which has lost 12 of its 24 towns to the MMDA, may seek protection with membership in the General Assembly.

Regions with memorable acronyms may wish to perpetuate their character in the UN. In the future, we could have a Republic of MIMAROPA or the Principality of CAMANAVA. The Federation of CARAGA will be competing with the Republic of CALABARZON. Don’t forget the Kingdom of SOCSARGEN.


The message of the governors is clear: touch GMA and the country will shrink to a pocket-size MMDA. The country’s loss will be the UN’s gain.



http://www.manilatimes.net/national/...50710opi1.html
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Old 07-10-2005, 07:45 AM
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Yang independence na yan, SOURGRAPING lang yan. Kawawa ang Cebu pag talsik si GMA. Reresbak ang Luzon.

kawawa ang cebu in what way mr tempest?
Well siguro in terms of projects. Baka hindi na tulad sa panahon ni GMA na pampered talaga ang Cebu.

Yun nga ang hindi ko maintindihan eh. Bat kailangan pang magsipsip ang Cebu sa Presidente gayon na kahit wala siyang suporta sa national government, ay pwedeng tumayo sa sariling paa ang Cebu. Tulad ng Mayor namin na si Lito Atienza, bat siya sipsip kay GMA eh mabuhay naman ang Maynila on her own.

mr tempest.. don't be an idiot. Of course we still need to be in good terms with the President.. budget still comes from the Malacañang.. dumb ass.
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i dont think its possible ...
Can you please share your views why it is not possible?
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Old 07-10-2005, 09:36 AM
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There will bloodshed if ever you push your luck too much. Dont ever think about it. The Philippine government will not allow it.
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Old 07-10-2005, 10:03 AM
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Why bloodshed? I thought Luzon feels that they are the superior Filipinos. They think they can live without the rest of the provinces, so let it be.
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Old 07-10-2005, 10:19 AM
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Why bloodshed? I thought Luzon feels that they are the superior Filipinos. They think they can live without the rest of the provinces, so let it be.
Kayo lang nag iisip ng ganyan. Ala naman kaming masabi sa taga Visayas ah. Wala talaga kaming problema. Look ang Chief justice ng Supreme Court Cebuano. May sinabi ba kami? Wala po.

Mas national lang talaga ang pananaw namin. Sori lang po talaga pero ang masabi ko, may pagka parochial lang talaga mag isip ang mga Cebuano. Punta nga kayo sa maynila para mabago naman yong mga bias nyo.
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There will bloodshed if ever you push your luck too much.* Dont ever think about it.* The Philippine government will not allow it.
really , now you think its the government now that decides, huh ? where's the line that you have been saying that it's the 'masa' the 'people' who should decide ?
when the you guys say oust the president , you carry the name of the people and the masa and the majority , when in fact you're just a handful of people running on the streets. but when the rest of the country tries to talk about something for the real majority , you counter and say , the "philippine government will not allow it " and do you even have a government now ? you can't even follow the constitution , shame on you.

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let's not hallucinate too much... you are like saying nga pabuwagon ta ning Mindanao kay sige lang sila gubat didto. dili ba mahulog ta ani nga hangol kaau?

@tempest: I'm not parochial as what you said about Cebuanos. I am proud about my Cebuano culture, but I will never say that we are the only good thing that happen in the Philippines...

fellow Cebuanos... let's not add up to the division of our country by just defending a single person, whom you are not sure of if she is indeed not guilty.
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Old 07-10-2005, 01:10 PM
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The Senate won't allow it i guess...

they are not allowing to have a ConCon...
They are afraid w/ d system of gov't that most Regions outside Manila want to have,
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Unicameral, Parliamentary, Federal System of Gov't.

please refer to GMA will declare martial law page 4 for more info about such system of gov't, k?
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Old 07-10-2005, 02:12 PM
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Soon you will pay higher taxes to pay for the interest of the Loan. You need GMA to flip money on other projects to be given to Cebu just to pay its interest.

There is no tenant on your SRP and Talisay won't let you get away without paying them.

Talisay City is claiming that 53.44 hectares of SRP encroach on its area.

Cebu City is having a hard time selling the 295-hectare reclamation project because Talisay's claim has delayed the issuance of lot titles.

The local government is spending about P1.5 million a day to pay for the interest alone on the SRP. The loan has ballooned from P2.2 billion in 1998 to P6.3 billion under present foreign exchange rates.
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net...tion.feud.html

Without the rest of the Philippines, Cebu will be on his own. Tommy will have a hard time just paying the interest unless, Cebu residents agrees to have more taxes and pay higher taxes.
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Soon you will pay higher taxes to pay for the interest of the Loan. You need GMA to flip money on other projects to be given to Cebu just to pay its interest.

There is no tenant on your SRP and Talisay won't let you get away without paying them.

Talisay City is claiming that 53.44 hectares of SRP encroach on its area.

Cebu City is having a hard time selling the 295-hectare reclamation project because Talisay's claim has delayed the issuance of lot titles.

The local government is spending about P1.5 million a day to pay for the interest alone on the SRP. The loan has ballooned from P2.2 billion in 1998 to P6.3 billion under present foreign exchange rates.
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net...tion.feud.html

Without the rest of the Philippines, Cebu will be on his own. Tommy will have a hard time just paying the interest unless, Cebu residents agrees to have more taxes and pay higher taxes.
Even with the 295-hectare land, Cebu will still have enough funds to pay for the debt.
(at Php 15,000 per sq.m. x 295 hectares x 10,000 sq.m./hectare) = 44.25B less 6.3B = 37.95B

If Cebu will, and hopefully, separate itself from the rest.. then Cebu as a country can issue itself the titles.
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Old 07-10-2005, 03:48 PM
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SRP is prone to flooding. Only has one highway. Isang bagyo lang ma isolate na ang nakatira dyan. Hindi makatakas sa mainland. It will probably sink in the future. Look at North Reclamation Project, International port lang ang nandyan saka SM. One strong rain and all you got flooding all over the place.
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Old 07-10-2005, 03:54 PM
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Cebu who wants independence should celebrate. http://news.inq7.net/regions/index.p...story_id=42957

On Tuesday, the governors and some mayors of the Visayas will meet in Cebu to discuss the concept further. The meeting, to be hosted by Cebu Gov. Gwen Garcia, will be held simultaneously with a similar meeting in Davao among Mindanao governors and mayors.

"We will meet in order to understand better what this movement is all about in case we don't follow our Constitution," Arnaiz said.


ouch!..No armed Forces.

AFP is ready for takedown. Will arrest Governors and Mayors. Inciting to Sedition from the country.
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Wouldn't it be a great place for an economic zone? True, city can't earn through tax if that's the case but it will give a lot of jobs to Cebuanos. I would still bet that a lot of local and foreign companies would still be interested in the SRP.
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let's not hallucinate too much... you are like saying nga pabuwagon ta ning Mindanao kay sige lang sila gubat didto. dili ba mahulog ta ani nga hangol kaau?

@tempest: I'm not parochial as what you said about Cebuanos. I am proud about my Cebuano culture, but I will never say that we are the only good thing that happen in the Philippines...

fellow Cebuanos... let's not add up to the division of our country by just defending a single person, whom you are not sure of if she is indeed not guilty.
Sana dumami ang Cebuanong katulad mong mag isip. Napaka fair at very academic. Now I know kung sino sino lang ang dapat seryosohing kong kausapin dito.
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