New cebu southbus terminal

[estor_boot]

^only children below 7 years old are exempted from paying the terminal fee.

[giddyboy]

TO ALL: just a perspective -



Editorial: Fuss over south bus terminal fee
Monday, October 5, 2009

NO question about the Cebu South Bus Terminal having become a public facility for land travelers like no other.

What Cebuanos are seeing is a paradigm shift in handling bus terminals.

So what was the old setup like?

A system bordering on anarchy, with passengers either heading to the parked buses or minibuses on their own or being guided (sometimes dragged) there by competing barkers.

At the not-so-well kept and hot waiting area, virtual chaos.

As for the toilets, they were smelly.

When the number of passengers peaked, especially during the holidays (Holy Week, All Souls/Saints Day, etc.) enterprising people sold bus/minibuses seats to the highest bidder, or passengers either clambered up vehicle windows or wrestled with each other to be seated.

And despite the deployment of cops, the terminal still had its share of thugs, pickpockets, snatchers and swindlers.

Changes

The new south bus terminal setup copies that of airport terminals, featuring an air-conditioned waiting lounge with flat-screen TV sets and cozy seats, food outlets, snack bars and souvenir shops and clean restrooms.

Announcement of arrivals and departures of buses/minibuses is done through a paging system and passengers go through designated boarding gates for a more systematic embarkation.

Obviously, this setup gives the bus terminal management a better way of securing the passengers from the criminally inclined.

Terminal fee

What turned out to be controversial is the imposition of P5 bus terminal fee, which also functions as boarding pass.

Public opinion is split on the issue, with a number of passengers with few pesos to spare approving it, considering the comfort and security the new setup provides.

Those critical of the imposition can be divided into: one, passengers with meager resources and who find the P5 an added burden; two, those who have not seen the improvements at the terminal and yet conclude that the collection is unfair; and three, the usual critics of Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia.

Review

But while Capitol officials may be correct in saying that changes, especially “paradigm shifts,” always invite criticisms at the initial stages of implementation, there’s also the point that changes, to be accepted, should first be a product of consensus and then should be promoted aggressively.

Capitol, however, is already past the consensus-building and promotion stage, but it pays to revisit the terminal fee imposition with the honest complaints of poor commuters in mind.

source:
Editorial: Fuss over south bus terminal fee | Sun.Star Network Online

take note sa red-highlight...daghan kaayo ang maigo diri anang no. 2 ug 3...KUNG WALA MO NKAKITA SA DAKONG KAUSABAN SA BUS TERMINAL KARON COMPARED TO BEFORE, then you are not a frequent bus traveler sa south province since 1980's...

[Maikeru]

^ IMO, that is true, mas hapsay mas comfortable ang karon. But there are still a lot to improve. Example, kana pagBoard sa mga bus. Why man magtagsa2x og board para sa bus. I mean via alcoy lang sa ang moDunggo, dn barili ang sunod, dn oslob. Why not dunganon lang? Dli mana cla pareha og destination. Truth is, daghan ang maAnnoy ana ky imbis makaUli daun, madugay na noon ky magWait pa sa particular bus. Come to think about it, unsa nalang kaha kadaghan sa tao unya if matunong og mga holidays (semana santa, adlaw minatay, pasko) dn inAna ang style nila? Last year gai ky niabot man gai 2 sa gawas ang line para Ginatilan nga ceres. Asta na CR dapit sa exit ai, murag mobayad paka og amount para ka makaGamit sa CR nga naa naman unta 2ng Php 5.(correct me if im wrong). I dunno unsa na ang updates karon since Fridays nalang q musakay sa CSBT.

But in my case noon, la ra jud q problema anang Php 5. Ang ila lang pamaagi, IMHO naa pa needed iImprove.

[estor_boot]

what else would you expect from the editors of a garcia-owned newspaper? i am from the south and when i was still studying i went home every week. now that im working, twice a month na lang. with the old terminal, i never complained unsa kainit diha nor i've been a victim of a crime inside the terminal. if they want to improve the terminal, fine! but why would i pay for using the facility that was built with my money as a taxpayer?

@giddyboy

ive read the 977,000 somewhere, i just cant remember where. that's the earnings from sept 15 (when the 5 pesos collection started) to sept. 30 and im sure its not 50,000 pesos monthly earnings only as you think. just to give a hint;

Quote: The CSBT also serviced 20,000 passengers, which is the standard number every Saturday.

Bus operators seek City?s aid | Sun.Star Network Online

now, multiply it with P5.

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by estor_boot what else would you expect from the editors of a garcia-owned newspaper?

likewise, what can you expect from a Garcia critic isn't it?

pls don't look at the person who was writing the article but the meat of the article. otherwise, u r doing an injustice to these writers. u r accusing them of being biased to w/c is not their advocacy as writers. u r making an ad hominem argument. u mean his article didn't make sense or what?

if u come to think of it, you might even learn some historical info from it.

Quote: Originally Posted by estor_boot i am from the south and when i was still studying i went home every week. now that im working, twice a month na lang. with the old terminal, i never complained unsa kainit diha nor i've been a victim of a crime inside the terminal.

well good for you. but to those who experienced snatching, pickpocketing, etc, were not happy. not to mention sa kahugaw ug kainit sa terminal sauna. what's 5 pesos of comfort compared to that? I too am related from the south u know. before, ad2 intawn mi sa Abines garage maghulat ky samokan gyud mi sa terminal. pero ig abot sa Abines bus mag ilog murag mag stampede. akong tiya hapit mamatay sa stampede during a holy week. naa pay negosyohon ug fixer ba kha na ang lingkoranan, ibaligya ug certain fee para mka lingkod ka.

Quote: Originally Posted by estor_boot if they want to improve the terminal, fine! but why would i pay for using the facility that was built with my money as a taxpayer?

beats me. improvement works (and to maintain it) always needs more funds. and improvement works like this? lots. one aircon working almost 24 hrs a day can even already make a big difference to the cost.

besides, that's almost the same question why you have to pay a terminal fee in the airport or seaport u know.

Quote: Originally Posted by estor_boot @giddyboy ive read the 977,000 somewhere, i just cant remember where. that's the earnings from sept 15 (when the 5 pesos collection started) to sept. 30 and im sure its not 50,000 pesos monthly earnings only as you think. just to give a hint; Bus operators seek City?s aid | Sun.Star Network Online now, multiply it with P5.

aok. so what's the problem if it reached almost a million in just 15 days? i know what automatically comes to your mind. SOP or kickback, mao na. well, im not as malicious minded as you are but what if the improvement and maintenance cost would also shoot up coz of the added construction, aircons and other amenities? u mean the 5 peso fee is unfair? sitting on an aircon lounge using 5 pesos is unfair?

besides, that's one way of declogging the bus terminal of people who doesn't have "real" business to deal w/ inside. it's a deterrent for fixers, estambays, gangs, etc.

besides, it is not your taxpayer's money ang ga funding anang terminal. it is mostly funded by rental sa spaces by private businesses and terminal fees sa operators sa buses.

[vahnhelsing]

pila man jud cost of maintenance per day sa terminal bah
lets say 20 k ang total cost from airconditioning to the personnel...
total users and passengers of the terminal is 20 k sad....
so makuha ra unta ug piso ra ang terminal fee or even two pesos....
nganong singko jud tungod ba mahal na ang gasolina? ang hope tag piso na
imbis .50 ra? tungod ba para makaginansya ug dako ang capitolyo pra e.invest nasad
sa lain nga income generating/people lossing project mao ba ni ang multiplier effect...
isa ka project tanan maapektahan, mao ba nay pasabot sa multiplier
only in the philippines!!! ay cebu ra tngali!!!

[peewee_toot]

^^agree ko ani. mahal ra kaayu ng 5 oi. luoy jd ang mga kabos ana... kasagaran ra bang commuters ky mga igo lng jd ang wawarts...

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by vahnhelsing pila man jud cost of maintenance per day sa terminal bah lets say 20 k ang total cost from airconditioning to the personnel... total users and passengers of the terminal is 20 k sad.... so makuha ra unta ug piso ra ang terminal fee or even two pesos.... nganong singko jud tungod ba mahal na ang gasolina? ang hope tag piso na imbis .50 ra?

hehe. basin dili modawat ug piso ang lungag sa machine pre...hehe

anyways, atong i-lista kno ang improvement & maintenance works:

construction materials (outdoor + interior)
furniture and supplies
aircon
service personnel
admin personnel
comfort room maintenance
security
telecommunications
electricity
water
internet (naa ba?)
computers (naa ba?)
and last but not the least, cost for real estate taxes.

from the looks of it, murag sobra pa ni gahimo ka ug low-cost nga balay...hehe

anyways, I think dili mani fixed ang 5 peso fee. pwede pani mapagamyan depende sa consultation w/ the stakeholders. it was even cited in the report that this fee is open to consultation...perhaps 1-2 peso would do fine...

[estor_boot]

i still believe the capitol can still implement order diha sa terminal without letting the commuters pay.
you cannot compare the southbus terminal sa airport because in the airport you can see what you paid-comfort.
sa terminal gamay kaayo nang lounge diha maghoot ang mga tawo labina kun daghan pasahero mas prone hinoon sa koot.
i challenge kadtong mga nag defend sa kaboang ni byron, try to be there sa terminal kanang sabado sa hapon tan-awon natog malipay ba mo.

[estor_boot]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy aok. so what's the problem if it reached almost a million in just 15 days? i know what automatically comes to your mind. SOP or kickback, mao na. well, im not as malicious minded as you are but what if the improvement and maintenance cost would also shoot up coz of the added construction, aircons and other amenities? u mean the 5 peso fee is unfair? sitting on an aircon lounge using 5 pesos is unfair? besides, that's one way of declogging the bus terminal of people who doesn't have "real" business to deal w/ inside. it's a deterrent for fixers, estambays, gangs, etc. besides, it is not your taxpayer's money ang ga funding anang terminal. it is mostly funded by rental sa spaces by private businesses and terminal fees sa operators sa buses.

the problem is theyre collecting huge amount beyond the supposedly cost of maintenance sa terminal so it appears that theyre doing business rather than delivering a basic service which a local government should be doing.

[vahnhelsing]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy hehe. basin dili modawat ug piso ang lungag sa machine pre...hehe anyways, atong i-lista kno ang improvement & maintenance works: construction materials (outdoor + interior) furniture and supplies aircon service personnel admin personnel comfort room maintenance security telecommunications electricity water internet (naa ba?) computers (naa ba?) and last but not the least, cost for real estate taxes. from the looks of it, murag sobra pa ni gahimo ka ug low-cost nga balay...hehe anyways, I think dili mani fixed ang 5 peso fee. pwede pani mapagamyan depende sa consultation w/ the stakeholders. it was even cited in the report that this fee is open to consultation...perhaps 1-2 peso would do fine...

basin dili machine ang dili modawat, basin oyog ra kaayo ang bulsa ug tag piso... i think the 5 pesos is not fair to everyone... masuko man gani ang pasahero ug sakaan piso kani naba ang 5...
i think dapat considerate ta sa atong mga kaigsoonan nga kabos... labi na kay crisis ron.... ug mahimo pa gani libre ni dapat... ug mahimo lang ha...
dili unta nato himoon nga negosyo ang serbisyo sa katawhan kay ang mga sumusunod mao sad ang buhaton ug mahitabo pa gani ila pa jud palabwan ug unsa gani karon... basin wala na nooy libre nig abot sa panahon..... all about money naman ni ang serbisyo ron uy.. unsa na gud ni

[©harlie M©]

Quote: Originally Posted by estor_boot i still believe the capitol can still implement order diha sa terminal without letting the commuters pay. you cannot compare the southbus terminal sa airport because in the airport you can see what you paid-comfort. sa terminal gamay kaayo nang lounge diha maghoot ang mga tawo labina kun daghan pasahero mas prone hinoon sa koot. i challenge kadtong mga nag defend sa kaboang ni byron, try to be there sa terminal kanang sabado sa hapon tan-awon natog malipay ba mo.

aw kita jud ang katag ani krn Nov. 1 ug 2, kung unsa-on npud nila pag control ang dghang pasahero.

[estor_boot]

^diha nato makita ang resulta sa kaboang ni byron. hehe

[networkguy]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy hehe. basin dili modawat ug piso ang lungag sa machine pre...hehe anyways, atong i-lista kno ang improvement & maintenance works: construction materials (outdoor + interior) furniture and supplies aircon service personnel admin personnel comfort room maintenance security telecommunications electricity water internet (naa ba?) computers (naa ba?) and last but not the least, cost for real estate taxes. from the looks of it, murag sobra pa ni gahimo ka ug low-cost nga balay...hehe anyways, I think dili mani fixed ang 5 peso fee. pwede pani mapagamyan depende sa consultation w/ the stakeholders. it was even cited in the report that this fee is open to consultation...perhaps 1-2 peso would do fine...

Bro, asa naman diay akong gibayran nga TAX?

[lomotel]

copy-paste articles from a Garcia owned newspaper. sounds very credible ey?