Cebu Mass Transportation: Buses, Trains or both?

[bronson]

Wala bay project ang national gov't na ibalik ang train system na mudagan sa tibuok Cebu? gamiton unta to ang mga karaan na riles butangan balik ug railroad...

ang mga epekto ani kay:
- maka minus sa traffic sa north ug south highways.
- ma minus ang squatters sa syudad kay ang mga taga probinsya dili magpunsisuk ug puyo sa syudad para makatrabaho kay shortened naman ang travel time.
- maspaspas ang paglambo sa mga kaprobinsyahan kay dili na sa mga syudad ga tapok ang mga tao.

[godwhacker]

Gusto mog BRT? naa naman tay BRT- Kana diayng CERES nga molarga every 30 minutes. Pero hinay kay gagmay man ug dan.

[tools4kools]

^^
excuse me brother but ceres is not a BRT for god sakes! check first the meaning of BRT before you even classify it as one!

Quote: Originally Posted by mlhl@7 Hayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... nalang ko ani oi.. ma yabag manta sa iyang argument.. hahahahah. hayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzz

hahaha....pasagdahi na siya uy! train addict biya na siya. unya kay nipatol man siya sa akong statement, pwerte niyang igo-a dili siya palabot maong magbinogo!

i never really had read any good and sound argument from this person! wa gyud! binogo na mga arguments!

Quote: Originally Posted by cebu-future Lame excuse! Cebuanos can even afford to buy drugs nga mas mahal pa sa terminal fee. Cebuanos can even afford to buy TUBA or gin. VERY LAME excuse! Hala ayaw abroad, wala koy labot ana! Ikaw ang BOGO!

hahaha...sige lang kag lame excuse! mao ra na imong nahibaluan! lame excuse ray imong masulti?! mao nay mga klase sa tao na close minded!

Quote: Originally Posted by vipvip68 I still believe LRT will be more acceptable to all classes of society versus BRT. BY THE WAY MY ANSWERS ARE MARKED RED. ENJOY I think the gauge for success sa Mass Public Transit is the ability to change people's mindset from using their cars to do their daily commute to adopting an alternative (BRT, LRT/MRT) 1. Kasagaran mga de-auto... dili ganahan mu sakay ug bus. They prefer to ride in the comfort of their own vehicles. so kay inana man diay, do you think naa say musakay sa inyong LRT? gusto man kaha ang mga tao magawto, so nganong mangita man ta og mahal na project na dili man diay ganahan ang mga tao manakay og public transport! 2. BRT will need additional road lanes if it is to be implemented. If you look at the road structure sa city, you will have a nightmare in appropriating the properties for widening. It will also affect a lot of people whos houses and businesses are on the roadside. and do you think your LRT will not pass along narrow roads bai? kuwang na lang ang platform sa LRT mahimo extension sa ika-duhang andana sa balay tungod gamay lagi atong mga dalan. 3. Cost.... I know people say BRT is cheaper than LRT pero in adopting a BRT system.. also calculate the cost of land appropriation and road widening. it still less compare to building LRTs bai. kay ngano di sad ka magwiden og roads sa LRT! look at EDSA, nagtuo ka na gamay na? impossible gihapon ang imong LRT sa narrow roads. magneed gihapon og road widening! 4. LRT if elevated will not take up as much space as BRT. It will only need the support column which can be placed on the center island in major roads. For roads that don't have center islands, only a small amount of land needs to be appropriated for the support structure. The LRT can also snake around narrow areas since it does not have to pass by the roadside at all times. hay if we are only talking about LRTs in advanced economies bai....AMA said, they will build similar LRTs in manila here! kita ka sa ilang LRT? How about we adopt an LRT then just have clean/modern public buses to replace the current jeepney routes which will then be relegated to districts/zones to stop traffic along the main roads. That way, di kaayo daghan ma samok with a road widening, ang center island ra, areas for the support structure sa rail and stations ra ang magasto then we have both rail and bus as alternate forms of transport.bai, our economy doesn't support two major transport systems all at the same time. IF its planned properly, the buses will be able to complement the LRT to cover more areas in the city. Jeepneys will be used for small roads and hard to reach areas. Ang key ani is to have BUS stations. Buses can no longer stop anywhere so as to cause clogups sa traffic.o naa ra man diay na, kasabot man diay ka na ang jeepneys maoy nagcause sa traffic unya nganong mangita pa man kag mahal na LRT na pwede man ang BRT mureplace sa mga jeepneys but cheaper than an LRT

Quote: Originally Posted by vipvip68 BRT will not solve our problem of getting motorists off the streets. Simply building more roads and stuffing more people per square area of road is not the long term solution... "BRT generally fails to attract the “non-transit-dependent” rider at the same scale as LRT. These riders will park and ride to an LRT station, but shun BRT. The pioneering BRT system in Curitiba, Brazil, actually saw a decline in ridership beginning in the 1990s, as the city’s middle class grew significantly, left the buses, and bought lots of cars" - Bus rapid transit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cost-wise, LRT has lower operational costs. Although LRT costs more initially, We have to look at the long term costs and the overall feasibility of the project and most importantly if it will actually serve its intended purpose of de-congesting the city.

kay ngano kahang mas nanaghan ang mga tao namalit og sakyanan? kay ang gobierno magsige gihapon og himo og mga dalan og ang uban padakan thus enticing more people to buy cars instead of riding cheaper and faster mass transport system. also basin kuwang pud ang traffic rules sa curitiba, they have never implemented the number coding scheme that can reduce amount of vehicles in a day.

that cost-wise thing i dont believe in that. ngano ang maghimo diay sa atong LRT pinoy ra para makaminos ta? i don't think so. maong mumahal kay i-imported man ang LRT nato!

but i don't have to be hard pressed with this issue na kay total gibasura naman pud sa city council ang LRT so wala nay angay istoryahan pa. huwata na lang mahuman ang BRT study for 8 months.

[tools4kools]

just read news that president GMA alloted P100B for metro cebu mass transport system! -- > bai nagtuo mo na libre ni og cheap kuno?

is this what they say BUILDING THE LRT/MRT WILL BE AT NO COST TO THE GOVERNMENT?!

@ sir vipvip, is this what you call the cheapest mass transport system of only 19 kilometers?

SEE THATs THE POINT! impossible kaayo na dili ta mugasto ana! pasalig ra na ni gullas kay eleksyon naman!

Positive News Media : Philippines : President Arroyo allots P100B for Metro Cebu?s proposed mass rail system

[vipvip68]

Quote: so kay inana man diay, do you think naa say musakay sa inyong LRT? gusto man kaha ang mga tao magawto, so nganong mangita man ta og mahal na project na dili man diay ganahan ang mga tao manakay og public transport!

People prefer to ride their own private vehicles because the current public transport is so inefficient. All I'm saying is that motorists will more likely utilize the LRT over a BRT.

Again, when you talk about costs, consider the operational costs and the long terms costs also. The BRT system as developed in other countries is a short term solution. We will eventually need LRT in the future... so in terms of costs, we will have to spend for LRT nasad in the future... mahulog double na ang expense.

Quote: and do you think your LRT will not pass along narrow roads bai? kuwang na lang ang platform sa LRT mahimo extension sa ika-duhang andana sa balay tungod gamay lagi atong mga dalan.

Unlike BRT, LRT does not need to pass along the road as long as you have a platform built for the rails. BRT will require at least two additional lanes. IF you do road widening sa small roads, you will have a problem with the displaced businesses and residences along these roads not to mention the legal battles and land appropriation problems you will encounter.

Is it really worth it to displace so much businesses and people just to make a BRT lane?

Quote: it still less compare to building LRTs bai. kay ngano di sad ka magwiden og roads sa LRT! look at EDSA, nagtuo ka na gamay na? impossible gihapon ang imong LRT sa narrow roads. magneed gihapon og road widening!

also factor in the cost and economic effects of road widening/appropriation. If properly planned, LRT can utilize center islands sa main roads. Minimal nalang ang widening and appropriation compared to BRT.

Quote: hay if we are only talking about LRTs in advanced economies bai....AMA said, they will build similar LRTs in manila here! kita ka sa ilang LRT?

Similar doesnt necesarrily mean that it will be exactly thesame as Manila. ALso, Tomas is more concerned with who gets credit for the project. Hadlok sya that if LRT is implemented, dili siya ang makakuha sa credit. If Cebu City cooperated with the others, this project can benefit the whole of Cebu... not just the City or the Province.

Quote: bai, our economy doesn't support two major transport systems all at the same time.

What makes you say that? All I'm proposing is to replace jeepneys with buses to decongest the streets since buses transport more people per square area. Also, bus station locations will be coordinated with LRT stations so that the two will complement each other.

Quote: o naa ra man diay na, kasabot man diay ka na ang jeepneys maoy nagcause sa traffic unya nganong mangita pa man kag mahal na LRT na pwede man ang BRT mureplace sa mga jeepneys but cheaper than an LRT

I'm for projects that will have long term effects. Simply adding more lanes or squeezing more people per area of road is a short term solution since the City population is constantly growing.

1. There has to be a pradigm shift in the way Cebu is developed. I am for a more decentralized form of growth where a town like Car-Car or Danao is just as progressive as Cebu.

2. There needs to be a change in the mindset and lifestyle of people in the city from private vehicles to adopting mass transit as a means of fast, safe and efficient transportation. LRT has a bigger chance of acceptance in allowing that to happen. BRT is just a stopgap solution and a lazy person's attitude at a quick fix.....

[vipvip68]

Quote: Originally Posted by tools4kools just read news that president GMA alloted P100B for metro cebu mass transport system! -- > bai nagtuo mo na libre ni og cheap kuno? is this what they say BUILDING THE LRT/MRT WILL BE AT NO COST TO THE GOVERNMENT?! @ sir vipvip, is this what you call the cheapest mass transport system of only 19 kilometers? SEE THATs THE POINT! impossible kaayo na dili ta mugasto ana! pasalig ra na ni gullas kay eleksyon naman! Positive News Media : Philippines : President Arroyo allots P100B for Metro Cebu?s proposed mass rail system

Akong discussion on the topic is purely from a cost-benefit standpoint not only for the city of Cebu but for the entire island. With regards to politics on whether this is just an act to get money for the election is beyond the discussion. Personally, any funds for this should be released post election to avoid any political flavor behind it.

I never said anything about the LRT/MRT being at no cost to the government. The BRT system itself will also incur expense in the form of a loan.

I'm purely debating from a feasibility standpoint.

WIll the BRT actually solve the problem of decongesting the city? Will it still be feasible 15+ years fromn now? Are you going to get motorists to use the BRT and decongest the streets? Will it enable growth to be distributed outside Cebu and create opportunities in the outer towns? Will it prevent Cebu from being like Manila where people need to go to the cityn to earn, study and get a better life?


As I see it... the BRT only solves our immediate problem and does not generate any economic development.

The LRT not only solves our traffic problem but it also leads to economic development not only for the city but for the entire island. It serves as a long term solution in spreading out growth to the other cities.


The LRT may cost twice or thrice that of BRT... pero what about the benefits?

I only see BRT benefitting Cebu City.... LRT benefits the whole of Cebu.

So tell me, cost wise, would you rather spend for a project that merely solves a problem or one that creates opportunities for growth/development?

[vipvip68]

As I see it, the mistake of the LRT/MRT system in Manila was that it was merely a merry go round for people within the City.

While it helped a bit in decreasing the people on the roads, it did not do anything to spur growth in the outer provinces. The NLEX and SLEX was built because they realized that growth needed to be decentralized. They are just now realizing that merely decongesting the City IS NOT the long term solution.

This is the MAIN difference between the LRT/MRT project in Manila and the one being proposed here in Cebu.

The LRT here is aimed at stimulating growth in the outer towns similar to what the NLEX and SLEX was built for.

Cebu can learn from the mistakes of Manila and I hope it does not think that having a BRT that only benefits the City is the long term solution.


To the people for BRT because it is cheaper, I understand the mindset behind going with the cheaper solution given our economic climate but if the cheaper solution does not lead to any long term benefits then it is worth asking whether we should still push through with it in the first place.

My analogy for this is...

A hungry person has 100 pesos...

would you buy a fish worth 100 pesos and have your fill for the day

OR

would you rather save up or borrow 200 or 300 pesos to buy a fishing rod, learn how to fish and get as much fish as you can?

[tools4kools]

Quote: People prefer to ride their own private vehicles because the current public transport is so inefficient. All I'm saying is that motorists will more likely utilize the LRT over a BRT.

sir, mao ganing usa ra atong buhaton og dili duha kay mahulog na alkanse ang usa, nagkaskas lang tag kwarta! kung ibutang nimo ang LRT plus naa pud tay BRT all running at the same time, dili ma-maximize ang ridership sa duha! madefeat ang purpose! so kung unahon nimo ang BRT, mangita diay sila sa LRT na wala man.

Quote: Again, when you talk about costs, consider the operational costs and the long terms costs also. The BRT system as developed in other countries is a short term solution. We will eventually need LRT in the future... so in terms of costs, we will have to spend for LRT nasad in the future... mahulog double na ang expense.

sir why do we have to worry about the future kung karon mismo pwede na nato masolve without yet thinking about what's going to happen next. ang kagul-an nako, sa kagamay sa populasyon sa cebu karon, mahog na maalkanse ang LRT unya pwerte biya anang mahala. asa man ta mukuha ana og kwarta para maintain diba subsidy man sa gobierno?! maayo pag isubsidy na lang na sa mga kabos natong mga igsuon.

Quote: Unlike BRT, LRT does not need to pass along the road as long as you have a platform built for the rails. BRT will require at least two additional lanes. IF you do road widening sa small roads, you will have a problem with the displaced businesses and residences along these roads not to mention the legal battles and land appropriation problems you will encounter. Is it really worth it to displace so much businesses and people just to make a BRT lane?

hay, it doesnt need to pass along the road lagi pero kung narrow pud ang road, ayaw ko ingna doable gihapon na magbutang kag dagkong poste og plataporma sa ibabaw unya unsa na man lang mahibilin sa ubos aber? one lane na lang? samot katrapik sa ubos sir!

Quote: also factor in the cost and economic effects of road widening/appropriation. If properly planned, LRT can utilize center islands sa main roads. Minimal nalang ang widening and appropriation compared to BRT.

kay ngano sir unsa diay gyud katrapik ang cebu? pareho sa manila? dili man excuse ang maguol ta sa unsay mahitabo sa future sir kay maskin karon pwede naman na nato ma-solve para dili na muabot.

Quote: What makes you say that? All I'm proposing is to replace jeepneys with buses to decongest the streets since buses transport more people per square area. Also, bus station locations will be coordinated with LRT stations so that the two will complement each other.

o ikaw ra bitaw nagsulti na ang tao dili musakay sa BRT kay sa LRT unya gusto diay ka duha kabuok!

Quote: I'm for projects that will have long term effects. Simply adding more lanes or squeezing more people per area of road is a short term solution since the City population is constantly growing. 1. There has to be a pradigm shift in the way Cebu is developed. I am for a more decentralized form of growth where a town like Car-Car or Danao is just as progressive as Cebu. 2. There needs to be a change in the mindset and lifestyle of people in the city from private vehicles to adopting mass transit as a means of fast, safe and efficient transportation. LRT has a bigger chance of acceptance in allowing that to happen. BRT is just a stopgap solution and a lazy person's attitude at a quick fix.....

Sir how sure are you na bigger chance of acceptance? mas mahal kaya ang pliti sa LRT kumpara sa bus. wa ka kabalita sa news na daghan nagbagot2x na mga pasahero sa bus gikan sa probinsya anang P5 terminal fee sa CSBT? imagina na lang sad kaha na na ang mga tao gikan carcar o sogod naay LRT na mahal kaayo, musakay kaha ka? usa pa gyud, makadala diay na ang LRT og imong mga karga sir na kahibalo man ta na basta taga probinsya daghan kaayo ng karga!

[tools4kools]

Quote: Originally Posted by vipvip68 As I see it, the mistake of the LRT/MRT system in Manila was that it was merely a merry go round for people within the City. While it helped a bit in decreasing the people on the roads, it did not do anything to spur growth in the outer provinces. The NLEX and SLEX was built because they realized that growth needed to be decentralized. They are just now realizing that merely decongesting the City IS NOT the long term solution. This is the MAIN difference between the LRT/MRT project in Manila and the one being proposed here in Cebu. The LRT here is aimed at stimulating growth in the outer towns similar to what the NLEX and SLEX was built for. Cebu can learn from the mistakes of Manila and I hope it does not think that having a BRT that only benefits the City is the long term solution.

sir ang BRT flexible kaayo ikompara nimo sa LRT. if we decide to put up another line sa BRT, say Mactan or Balamban or to Bogo or to Carcar, pwede ra kaayo iconnect ang BRT whereas sa LRT, the trains stops where the track ends so if we build addtional LRT lines, gastos na sad kaayo! tungod kay its a cebu city initiative, maong initially sa cebu city pa pero cebu city is not selfish enough not to include BRT to other places pero kana kay kung ang mga uabng mayors ganahan. sayon ra kaayo i-connect kay BRT uses existing roads ra man so if the need arises na magput up na sad ta og laeng BRT line, pwede nato maextend ang coverage sa BRT.

[tools4kools]

Quote: Originally Posted by vipvip68 As I see it, the mistake of the LRT/MRT system in Manila was that it was merely a merry go round for people within the City. While it helped a bit in decreasing the people on the roads, it did not do anything to spur growth in the outer provinces. The NLEX and SLEX was built because they realized that growth needed to be decentralized. They are just now realizing that merely decongesting the City IS NOT the long term solution. This is the MAIN difference between the LRT/MRT project in Manila and the one being proposed here in Cebu. The LRT here is aimed at stimulating growth in the outer towns similar to what the NLEX and SLEX was built for. Cebu can learn from the mistakes of Manila and I hope it does not think that having a BRT that only benefits the City is the long term solution.

sir don't try to think LRT in cebu is different from manila. why would you compare an LRT cebu to NLEX or SLEX? your LRT can only carry people whereas NLEX and SLEX carry everything cargoes and people to almost all points in luzon thus making people live outside metro manila. LRT is not the solution to decongestion because it will only end up ferrying city and suburban people from house to work.

have you not observed that LRT is only concentrated in metro manila and not in the provinces? and why would LRT cebu go to as far as carcar or even dalaguete in the south and sogod in the north? do you think ang mga tao dinhing mga dapita, murag city people?

NLEX and SLEX is better to be associated sa project ni vice gov. greg sanchez na cebu trans-axial project og dili LRT!

question lang sir, are you presently living in cebu ba? or naa na ka abroad?

[vipvip68]

Quote: Originally Posted by tools4kools sir, mao ganing usa ra atong buhaton og dili duha kay mahulog na alkanse ang usa, nagkaskas lang tag kwarta! kung ibutang nimo ang LRT plus naa pud tay BRT all running at the same time, dili ma-maximize ang ridership sa duha! madefeat ang purpose! so kung unahon nimo ang BRT, mangita diay sila sa LRT na wala man.

What I'm suggesting is that we use buses without adding additional lanes/road widening. Simply put, we replace jeepneys with buses sa main roads. This is not mutually exclusive sa LRT given the road layout sa city. The LRT will only cover key areas while the buses are there to fill the gaps.

Quote: sir why do we have to worry about the future kung karon mismo pwede na nato masolve without yet thinking about what's going to happen next. ang kagul-an nako, sa kagamay sa populasyon sa cebu karon, mahog na maalkanse ang LRT unya pwerte biya anang mahala. asa man ta mukuha ana og kwarta para maintain diba subsidy man sa gobierno?! maayo pag isubsidy na lang na sa mga kabos natong mga igsuon.

I'm soprry pero the "not thinking about what's going to happen next" idea doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

With regards to the lack of population, I could say thesame for the BRT especially since its operational costs is higher than LRT. (this has been proven in BRT vs. LRT arguments in other countries)

Of course, a study needs to be done as to the financial viability of both with respect to ridership.

Quote: hay, it doesnt need to pass along the road lagi pero kung narrow pud ang road, ayaw ko ingna doable gihapon na magbutang kag dagkong poste og plataporma sa ibabaw unya unsa na man lang mahibilin sa ubos aber? one lane na lang? samot katrapik sa ubos sir!

To me, road widening in Cebu is out of the question.... just try to "road-widen" Mango Avenue or Arch. Reyes / Banilad Road .. tell me pila ka schools, businesses, churches, malls ang ma affect. Even though we all want wide roads, I just don't see it happening.. not without a minor revolt from the chinese/business community, religious sects and land owners/oligarchs.

I would rather see less cars on the roads than more roads to accomodate people.

Quote: kay ngano sir unsa diay gyud katrapik ang cebu? pareho sa manila? dili man excuse ang maguol ta sa unsay mahitabo sa future sir kay maskin karon pwede naman na nato ma-solve para dili na muabot.

I'm not waiting for traffic to get as bad as manila... are you? That's one of the reasons why I chose to stay here kay di ko ganahan ug gubot pareha didto.

I welcome any solution to improve the traffic solution but it has to not only solve the problem but also create growth for progress to happen.

Quote: o ikaw ra bitaw nagsulti na ang tao dili musakay sa BRT kay sa LRT unya gusto diay ka duha kabuok!

I'm not proposing a BRT... just regular BUS system to replace Jeepneys and most importantly....dedicated bus stops to avoid them clogging up the roads.

Quote: Sir how sure are you na bigger chance of acceptance? mas mahal kaya ang pliti sa LRT kumpara sa bus. wa ka kabalita sa news na daghan nagbagot2x na mga pasahero sa bus gikan sa probinsya anang P5 terminal fee sa CSBT? imagina na lang sad kaha na na ang mga tao gikan carcar o sogod naay LRT na mahal kaayo, musakay kaha ka? usa pa gyud, makadala diay na ang LRT og imong mga karga sir na kahibalo man ta na basta taga probinsya daghan kaayo ng karga!

Just ask around. Motorists prefer LRT over BRT. Some people would say mas socially acceptable enough for them to forego their private vehicles. Others would say that its faster, safer and more conveninet. My reason is that the road appropriation/ road widening will be met with huge resistance from Cebuanos.

People complain sa P5 terminal fee not because they think its expensive. Its the principle of paying for something which should be free (Why do I need to pay just to stay in the terminal to get on the bus).

Mura man ni chicken and the egg problem... ask yourself why taga probinsya daghan kaayog karga.... its because there is a very big disparity sa growth in the province compared to the city. People from the province need to come here to study, work.. etc...

IF they had their own schools, malls, offices sa province nga ka level sa ato-a... would we still be seeing people with lots of baggage traversing from one city to another?

A lot of people also suggest heay rail transit. I believe that's necesarry also for the development / logistical support of the outer towns.

[cebu-future]

Quote: Originally Posted by tools4kools sir why do we have to worry about the future kung karon mismo pwede na nato masolve without yet thinking about what's going to happen next. ang kagul-an nako, sa kagamay sa populasyon sa cebu karon, mahog na maalkanse ang LRT unya pwerte biya anang mahala. asa man ta mukuha ana og kwarta para maintain diba subsidy man sa gobierno?! maayo pag isubsidy na lang na sa mga kabos natong mga igsuon.

Tan awa unsa kabogo ning tawhana. Naghoot nagani ang cebu sa mga sakyanan mi ingon pa ka nga gamay ang population sa cebu? Kadako nimo pagka BOGO. Nitan aw ka sa magsimba kada domingo sto nino maghoot ang tawo diha?

Anha sa SM og Ayala inig Saturdays and Sundays kay grabe kahoot sa tawo. Nagpasabot ra na unsa ka KABOGO.

[godwhacker]

Quote: Originally Posted by tools4kools ^^ excuse me brother but ceres is not a BRT for god sakes! check first the meaning of BRT before you even classify it as one!

hehe...mao bitaw nga BRT kay Bus Retard Transport!!! wa man diay kay humor pre....

Ug mao niy mahitabo unya sa BRT ni Tomas. Imbis Rapid na Retard kay bisag unsa-on ninyo ug matematik, gagmay dyud ug dan ang cebu. Bisan ang mayor sa Bogota maoy primero niya nga comment. Ug manglugos gyud ta ug BRT- kinahanglan nga padak-an ang dan.

Kanang pilot route ug nimo pa from Pardo to Talamban... tsk tsk. Tan-awa lang lang dan diha sa Natalio Bacalso, hagip-ot. Gusto nimo i dedicate ang dan para sa BRT tanan ug wa nay private cars paagi-on? hehe...hasta ko bro mo apil ko ug class suit nilang Tomas as a taxpayer ug ila nang buhaton.

[gikapoy]

tang tanga ang mga jeep aron mo luag ang mga dan

[digitalsuperman]

Quote: Originally Posted by godwhacker Gusto mog BRT? naa naman tay BRT- Kana diayng CERES nga molarga every 30 minutes. Pero hinay kay gagmay man ug dan.

kanang mga Ceres bus ug uban pa wala mana nag implement ug BRT System.

to know more go to this site

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_Rapid_Transit

i would really prefer BRT over LRT merely because of the Cost. and i think sakto pud si tomas kay at least gamay ra ang utangon sa city. kay kung dako na kaayo ug utang ang city kay daghan services ma sacrifice.

specially if ang Busses gamiton sa BRT kay katong mga Natural Gas Powered Busses which costs far more less than fossil fuels. BRT lang siguro para nako all around the City. then sa province LRT.