National Language: Tagalog Or Bisaya

[Empress_Of_Drac]

I guess we should stick to Tagalog. Tagalog is more harmonious to use than bisaya.

[websniper]

I guess this might settle everything:

Quote: The emergence of a national language that could unite the whole country is the realization of a dream that goes back to the year 1935. President Manuel L. Quezon of the Commonwealth of the Philippines made this possible through the inclusion of an article in the 1935 Constitution of the Philippines regarding the development of a national language. Â* Â* Â* Â*Of the more than a hundred languages being spoken by the different ethnolinguistic groups of dwellers in the more than seven thousand and one hundred islands comprising the Philippines, eight of them are considered major languages. These major languages are Ilocano, Pangasinan, Pampango, Tagalog, Bicol, Cebuano, Hiligaynon and Waray-Samarnon. Â* Â* Â* Â*The 1935 Constitution Article XIV, Section 3 states that "...Congress shall make necessary steps towards the development of a national language which will be based on one of the existing native languages..." There are two significant words in the statement, namely existing and native. The initial step made by the national Assembly was the passing of Commonwealth Act No. 184 (1936) that created a national committee and empowered its members to decide on which one of the existing native major languages will the national language be based. The committee members were eminent linguists and each one of them representing a linguistic group or one of the major languages. They were Jaime C. de Veyra (Hiligaynon), Santiago Fonacier (Ilocano), Casimiro Perfecto (Bicol), Felix Salas Rodriguez (Samarnon), Felimon Sotto (Cebuano), Cecilio Lopez (Tagalog), and Hadji Butu (Maranao-Maguindanao). Mr. Jaime de Veyra was the chairman of the said committee. A year later, four more committee members were included. They were Isidro Abad (Cebuano), Zoilo Hilario (Pampango), Jose Zulueta (Pangasinan) and Lope K. Santos (Tagalog). Â* Â* Â* Â*After a thorough and earnest effort in studying the case, the committee recommended Tagalog to be the basis of the national language. Hence, the Executive Order No. 134 s. 1937 stating that the national language will be based on Tagalog. Three years after the proclamation of Tagalog as the basis of the national language (officially called "Pilipino" since 1959) it was decided as one of the official languages of the Philippines. It was taught as a subject in the teacher education courses and in the elementary and secondary schools throughout the country. Lope K. Santos who was then appointed director of the Institute of National Language (1939), undertook the preparation of grammar book (Balarila ng Wikang Pambansa) which constitute the bulk of what was taught in school. Â* Â* Â* Â*The Tagalog-based national language was taught in school only as one of the subject areas (1940) but was not adapted as the medium of instruction. During World War II, the Japanese encouraged the use of the National Language rather than English in the schools. The Tagalog-based national language was, therefore, propagated not only in education but also in mass media and in official communication. The census for 1948 reported that 7,126,913 people or 37.11% of the population spoke the language, representing an increase of 11.7% from the 1939 figure of 4,068,565. Of these seven million people, 47.7% learned it as a second language (Liamzon). Â* Â* Â* Â*Once again, the National Language issue sparked heated discussion during the 1973 Constitutional Convention. A committee on National Language (CNL) was created by the convention delegates to look into the language question and to make recommendations on the policy that should be adapted on the matter. The CNL, after hearing conflicting testimonies from various language experts in the country, recommended to eliminate Pilipino and replace it with a new "common national language to be known as Filipino, based on existing native languages...". The FILIPINO to be developed pursuant to the 1973 constitution could be a fusion of the different native languages. This CNL recommendation met a great deal of oppositions from various sectors of the community. They pointed out that such an artificial language was not feasible, since it lacked both native speakers and a literary tradition to help propagate it. Â* Â* Â* Â*FILIPINO, the national language of the Philippines was finally settled in the 1987 Constitution. Article XIV section 6 states that "the National language of the Philippines is Filipino. As it evolves, it shall be further developed and enriched on the basis of existing Philippine and other languages.Â* Â* Â* Â*The constitution also provided that subject to provision of law and as the congress may deem appropriate, the Government shall take steps to initiate and sustain the use of Filipino as a medium of official communication and as language of instruction in the educational system. Â* Â* Â* Â*Section 7. For purposes of communication and instruction, the official languages of the Philippines are Filipino and, until otherwise provided by law, English. Â* Â* Â* Â*The regional languages are the auxilliary official language in the region and shall serve as auxilliary media of instruction therein." Â* Â* Â* Â*It is predicted that by the year 2000, the Philippines will be a Filipino lingua franca speaking nation, which is quite an achievement wrought within a time-frame of around 65 years (1935-2000).

[noelkoi]

define harmony in tagalog dialect

[off^tangent]

Quote: Originally Posted by diemjudilla @off^tangent, I appreciate your personal comments on my views though i do find them vehemently cynical... I guess that's the difference between you and me. Anyway, here are my comments to your views...

hi there!
I can't help it if you find my views too cynical for you because from my standpoint I find yours too bland, it doesn't cut into the meat of the matter. it sounds like one of those overused concoctions of panaceas that promise to cure ills of society. well, that's your positive standpoint...

Quote: the big issue is why do the government spend a lot of taxpayer's money (including non-Tagalog taxpayers) developing and cramming the 'national language' into our heads at school when it wouldn't be of any help whatsoever in developing skills or finding a job later (except kung gusto ka mo-apil sa makeover contests sa ABS-CBN). the big question is, WHAT FOR? for national symbolism? who needs it? Not for national symbolism, but for national identity. Who needs it? The children of this country needs it, to identify themselves as Filipinos, to become loyal citizens of this nation, knowing and acting out their obligations and responsibilities to this country and fellow Filipino.

does that mean anybody that does not speak the national language is less a Filipino, unloyal, and irresponsible? for me, the best symbol of the Filipino is the Filipino himself no matter what dialect he speaks. to emphasize it, let's bring the Filipino abroad. what makes him stand out from the rest is his talent, and his ability to speak good english (sorry, it's not the 'Filipino' language)! foreigners cannot identify a Filipino just by listening to one talking, it could be swahili or bongo-bongo to their ears. Now let's bring the Filipino home and becomes you, do you like wearing ID in your own house? IMO, a symbolic national language is too lofty an ideal not worth the money and inconvenience spent, and the risk of further dividing the country (that's what it has achieved, opposite of what it is intended for).

Quote: and spare us from the 'unity' crap some people are pushing. unity comes to people who respect each other, not to those who impose anything on each other. And RESPECT comes from the sense that we are not much different from each other, that we’re basically the same.

now, i have the impression that you're confusing unity with homogeny. in that respect, most people love being different and some are dying for it. it does not mean they're xenophobic or incapable of being united to others. for them, there's more than one way to unity other than being forcibly lumped into one. let's respect them for that.

Quote: if our country can't live without symbols, the 'sign language' best represents the Philippines. lipay pa ang mga amang nga gitagaan sila importansya. Symbolism is vital to human existence, like corporate logos and brands, the wedding ring, the crucifix, the mosque etc.… symbols serve as an anchor from which we can link memory and emotions. Surely you could appreciate the personal symbols you identify with in your life. How much more a nation and a people? And yes, silence is golden, if you have nothing good to say, why say?

speaking of brands, not a long time ago some naive people called the toothpaste as "colgate". now if i were a toothpaste, I would be mad if somebody indiscriminately call me 'colgate' when I am 'maxam'!

p.s. we're in istorya.net, not in silenceisgolden.net. and who's to judge what i said was bad?
:mrgreen:

Quote: assuming you are cebuano, your statements are quite contradicting. or do you mean that tagalog and cebuano are from the same heritage? tell me more about it. I’m not saying that tagalog and cebuano came from the same heritage. I was saying that I consider the Filipino language as my heritage as taught to by my teachers, taught to them by their teachers, as taught by their teachers. I was born in Cebu but I grew up and lived in a lot of places here in the Philippines; Manila, Bacolod, Davao, Batangas, Legaspi, Dumaguete and back to Cebu… and in every place I go to, I attend a new school, have new classmates, and try to learn a new dialect. One thing was I clearly know: the rich diversity of our country is our heritage, and I enjoy it very much.

i doubt how much you enjoy the diversity of our country i bet you just grew sick and tired of learning new dialects while moving around. that, i'm with you, you need to learn to speak tagalog for practical reasons, when you want it when you need it. but your situation does not apply to most kids in the country, where they grow sick and tired all their school life of learning the language for no practical reasons.

Quote: they can never be one. either, one has to die in sacrifice for the other or they can both exist independent of each other. Who says they can never be one? Everyday the English language is changing with new words being made up as trends go or foreign words added to its vocabulary. Why not the Filipino Language grow the same way? As for the past decade, the word ‘buang’ is well accepted to mean as it means everywhere, thanks to general media.

English as before as it is now and as it is forever, no matter how many foreign words you add to it. it is not one result of a complete fusion with any other languages.
"pag binubuang ka nila dahil pinugos ka pagsalita ng nasyonal langgwej ug pinagtawanan pa kasi nakakasakal ang pronanshiyeshun, mosugot ka lang ba?
sa palagay kong gamay, dili jud!"
o, te! kung saan gid mi masaya suportahi kami!
wat da hek! how can two languages with different structures be fused? add to that Ilongo, Ilocano, Waray,...etc, because they're Filipinos too, not birds that chirp, you know!

Quote: it's not too late to realize of what we really are. that we are different, and should come to terms with that fact. or we can live in denial and forever wondering what's wrong with us filipinos we can't get our acts together. realizing our difference doesn't necessarily result to hating each other. I so agree with this sentiment. We don’t need to segregate ourselves into our respective provinces due to our differences, but in order for tolerance and acceptance to work effectively, we all have to see how much we share in common.

who's segregating, when one simply doesn't wan't anything to be forced upon him?
now who's intolerant, one who imposes homogeny for the sake of unity is! don't we know anything better than that?



regards,
for peace and unity, these will do!

[junmar4]

unsay masulti ani? usa ni siya ka dokyu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbnNAJ7FQz0

[Streetcar]

^^ thanks for sharing. But i'd say leave it na lang for people whatever language they want to use. If you make such a big deal out of it then naturally it creates a langugae barrier for all nga tana dili na big deal gi big deal na man nuon. If i'm in Manila i can speak tagalog very well. When i am in the Visayas, i can speak Bisaya well too. And people are just making a big deal out of little things ngano ang mga tagalog moadto ug Cebu they dont speak Bisaya and then mo complain ang mga Bisaya ngano lagi mga Bisaya kung moadto ug Manila they speak tagalog then might as well ang mga tagalog mag binisaya kung moadto ug Cebu. All i can say, these are just petty matters that shouldn't be such a big deal.

Ngano dili man lagi mo mag tagalog ug Bisaya sa mga amerikano beh? Mag iningles man lagi mo.... see?

[junmar4]

mao lagi unta pero usahay maugkat man gud ang issue sa superiority complex.

[nocram]

ang root sa problema dili ang language,nagdako ko sa manila,so naa koy gamay nga experience about sa discrimination.ang problema is this,kung ang mga tagalog dili lang mo look down sa mga bisaya!!!! ug ang mga tagalog way superiority complex!!!!!! i dont think nga mahimo ning issue,its just that the tagalog belittle the bisaya.and to the tagalogs,that say`s why make a big deal about it!!! try to be in our shoes,its so easy for u to say,ikaw ba ang malagay sa ilalim ng aking bayag ano ang ma aamoy mo

[junmar4]

Quote: Originally Posted by Streetcar ^^ thanks for sharing. But i'd say leave it na lang for people whatever language they want to use. If you make such a big deal out of it then naturally it creates a langugae barrier for all nga tana dili na big deal gi big deal na man nuon. If i'm in Manila i can speak tagalog very well. When i am in the Visayas, i can speak Bisaya well too. And people are just making a big deal out of little things ngano ang mga tagalog moadto ug Cebu they dont speak Bisaya and then mo complain ang mga Bisaya ngano lagi mga Bisaya kung moadto ug Manila they speak tagalog then might as well ang mga tagalog mag binisaya kung moadto ug Cebu. All i can say, these are just petty matters that shouldn't be such a big deal. Ngano dili man lagi mo mag tagalog ug Bisaya sa mga amerikano beh? Mag iningles man lagi mo.... see?

have you seen the video from youtube? kadto ako gihatag na link? ang idea niya is if adto ko manila magtinagalog ko. If ang Tgalog moari sa Cebu, binisaya unta pud sla. Kita bitaw if naa ta sa US iningles ta. Pero wala ba nimo naobserve that those foreigners na gusto mopuyo sa cebu they try to speak in bisaya bisan maglisud?

[gnox]

Filipino language is a combination of different dialects in the Philippines. Some words in bisaya even in Hiligaynon can be used to express feelings but since tagalog is widely used today that is why people are more familiar to it.

English should not be considered our primary language because we have our own culture. Language is also one of the aspects why a country is prosperous, look at Japan, they don't know how to speak in English but the economy is booming why? In schools students undertsand the lessons more because they are expressed in their native tongue. It's funny lang cguro in our case how will you express chemistry in filipino language.

[pridi]

Quote: Originally Posted by gnox It's funny lang cguro in our case how will you express chemistry in filipino language.

not only that.... kung sa calculus kaha beh.... unsaon pag tagalog sa "what is the derivative of x as x aproaches to zero"?

[goryo13]

bisaya kay bisag asa naay daghang bisaya... bisaya rules!

[junmar4]

Quote: Originally Posted by pridi not only that.... kung sa calculus kaha beh.... unsaon pag tagalog sa "what is the derivative of x as x aproaches to zero"?

mao na wala ta binisaya or tinagalog ana because elementary pa lang, math and science are taught in english. Even History nowadays are taught in english. If you go to some of the private schools sa cebu, teaching Filipino is hard because you need to translate words in Filipino to english.

@gnox: maglisud sad ko ug too that Filipino language is a combination of all the dialects. It's 95% tagalog, then ang 5% gibahinbahin sa more than 50 ka dialects. Is that fair?

[off^tangent]

^ You're right. Filipino with capital 'T'. And Tagalog is not widely used, it is widely officially imposed. who came up and who believed with the idea that a country can be united by imposing one language over multicultural groups is hopelessly stupid and myopic. it's never done before and it will never be done. does it help the situation of our country now? of course not. you can see how the tagalogs and bisdaks are bashing each other regarding this issue. give a few years when awareness and relative economic clout come to the Ilongos, Kapampangans, Bicolanos etc..., Cebuanos will find their sentiments just too meek in comparison. But as usual, we Filipinos won't do anything about this until it blows up in our face. and again, we can always make the sign of the cross. and hope for the best.

talking about the 'language barrier' jargon, it is just right that all Filipinos should cross it, and only if they need it. if the Cebuanos, Ilongos, Warays, Bicolanos..., cross it when they are in Manila, why not the Tagalogs when they are outside Manila? what made them special? something's fishy with our society.

[nocram]

unya unsaon na man nato ni?dili man mo mosugot ug tagalog,pero kung cebuano sad,moreklamo sad ang mga tagalog,bicolano,ilokano,waray,ilongo,kapangpangan ,chabakano,muslim.ayaw mo ug cge ug reklamo pangita mo ug solution.unya ihatag ang inyong solution diri ug maminaw mi be.