GRP - MILF agreement on ancestral domain

[pandisal]

Because it give more power to the MILF leaders over the said areas like collect tax, policing or just simply they can play their own little armed government.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, i heard the Muslims griped about this especially the land owners, they do not like this idea or latest development at all.

An MILF officer insistently considered it as a "done deal" even though the government side says otherwise. The MILF officer ingon sya the SC restraining order doesn't have any merit kay DONE DEAL na kuno.

I grew up in Mindanao and have dealt with some Muslims a few times. Ambot lang ni sila (dili tanan ha!) lahi or lisod ni sila maka sabot sa mga sabot-sabot.

[JCP]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jeffrey Yeah, i heard the Muslims griped about this especially the land owners, they do not like this idea or latest development at all. An MILF officer insistently considered it as a "done deal" even though the government side says otherwise. The MILF officer ingon sya the SC restraining order doesn't have any merit kay DONE DEAL na kuno. I grew up in Mindanao and have dealt with some Muslims a few times. Ambot lang ni sila (dili tanan ha!) lahi or lisod ni sila maka sabot sa mga sabot-sabot.

Ako taga mindanao gihapon. Basta dili ko ganahi sa MOA kay mudato samut mga muklo. Mga animas raba ang ka sagara. Abi nimo mga butan sila but dili. Piste ning National Government.

[knightcarl]

This deal will pave the way for a Bangsamoro State but if will not take effect until we ratify our constitution..

It will also be a prelude for the creation of other states.. In effect we will have a Federal Philippines.


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[cassenav]

kaning MOA is about expanding the present territory held by ARMM. kani sya is agreement between the MILF and the Republic of the Phils. represented by Gen. Esperon and others. if u wud recall kaning ARMM sad naform kay si NUr Miswari nangusog ani sa una.Si Miswari sad naging first chairman sa ARMM.
unsay affected areas sa expansion? according to the news (based sa documents available sa media, since ila man jud ni iconfidential), naay mga barangays presently belonging to North Cotabato, Zamboanga, Iligan, even Palawan, etc. nga maapil na sa expanded territory. these places are predominantly christians man so di sila sugot nga kuhaon ning mga barangays from them and iapil sa expansion. but the RP peace panel headed by Esperon argued nga muslim barangays daw ni, so these should be included. mao na nagkagubot sila. ang vice gov sa North cotabato, followed by other political leaders sa Zamboanga and Iligan filed sa Supreme Court petitions para ma-enjoin (ma-stop muna) ang signing sa MOA.

ang problem man gud aning MOA is wala giconsult ang affected areas. affected areas meaning not only those nga maapil sa expansion BUT katong makuhaan ug territory. dli ba affected jud sila? mao na nifile sila sa supreme court ug petition para icompel ang peace panel to give them official copies aning MOA, para makahibawo jud sila unsay effects ani sa ilahang territory if ever.

this expansion will not really solve the peace problem, magcreate lng ni ug more hostilities. in fact, niatake recently ang MILF sa north cotabato, coz vocal man si vice gov pinol sa iyahang oppostion. and what did the military do? nagduhaduha pa kng idefend sila, kay wala daw order "galing sa taas." so meaning kng mo-disagree diay sa MOA, bisan atakihon mo sa rebelde, bahala na mo! paet!

also this expansion seems to show that we are slowly giving in to the demands of these rebels -- into giving them independence. even if they term it autonomous region or administrative region lang, the fact is -- we are giving them the power and the confidence nga sila nay maghari hari aning territoryo. are we creating a state within a state?

[Motownkid]

wala pa gani nadayon ang pirmahanay tungod sa TOR nga gi-issue sa SC, nangangkon na dayon ang MILF nga "done deal" na kuno! wala kuno silay labot sa Supreme Court kay ang Malacañang ra man kuno ilang kasabot.

toinks! mao ni mo-lead sa expanded ARMM? hasta man gani Korte Suprema nato dili sila mo-respetar.. mao na ni ron!

[catch]

HA! The government panel are bloody bastards. Put yourselves in the shoes of the residents of conflicted areas in Mindanao and let's see if negotiating with MILF is really necessary.

Federalism is good but without MILF occupying such areas.

[giddyboy]

ato sa ning tanawon ug maayo "in detail" muna ang MOA ky i believe mas daghan ang pros ani kaysa cons. i haven't read it yet so i can't say a lot about it yet.

Let's remind ourselves that this conflict panahon pa ni ni Mampor....no president (and gov't) ever in the entire Phil. history ang nka sulbad pa aning problemaha. Even during the American colonization wala man gani.

This is not a simple matter people...daghan factors gi consider ani...

in one bright side, this MOA is a prelude to chacha or amendment of constitution favoring federal form of gov't, which sa akong opinion, daghan ganahan nga Cebuanos...hehe

[cdburgh]

hahay, palpak na pod.
hapit na ihatag ang spratlys, karon manghatag na pod sa mindanao.
makuratan lang ta ani pirmi.

[giddyboy]

double post lage ni...

as for me, estudyohan sa nato unsay nkasulat sa MOA ky kung wa ta kahibaw unya pataka lng ta ug satsat, kataw-anan ang labas nato ani. I believe the pros in this MOA overshadows the cons.

Let's remind ourselves nga panahon pa ni ni Mampor ang problemaha. No Phil president has ever solved this conflict since we gained national independence. Even the Americans during our colonization hasn't.

Ancestral domain is a very important issue. This is an issue with a historical significance mga bros and sis.

It's like talking about the Mashantucket Pequots (native American Indians) getting back their ancestral land in Connecticut where a big casino now stood.

[worldwide]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy double post lage ni...

Bitaw noh!
Murag nauna ni post kaysa atong usa na thread.

[worldwide]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy double post lage ni... as for me, estudyohan sa nato unsay nkasulat sa MOA ky kung wa ta kahibaw unya pataka lng ta ug satsat, kataw-anan ang labas nato ani. I believe the pros in this MOA overshadows the cons. Let's remind ourselves nga panahon pa ni ni Mampor ang problemaha. No Phil president has ever solved this conflict since we gained national independence. Even the Americans during our colonization hasn't. Ancestral domain is a very important issue. Muslims, our brothers, owned their land before Spain grabbed it from them. This is an issue with a historical significance mga bros and sis. It's like talking about the displaced American Indians getting back their ancestral land in Foxwood, Connecticut where a big casino now stood.

OK ra ibalik ila land, ayaw lang pod sila pahimoa laing gobyerno. kinahanglan na niya ta visa inig adto nato sa area sa JBE.

[ivans]

laliman lng na ato govt hope tink sila kadaghan ila mga plano dha d pa dalos2x d na mao solution hatag mindanao sa ila. hatag jud?!!! wat f kaha try sya puyo ngadto mindanao pra mkasabot sya ya buhat.

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide OK ra ibalik ila land, ayaw lang pod sila pahimoa laing gobyerno. kinahanglan na niya ta visa inig adto nato sa area sa JBE.

well, dili man ing ana ang ARMM...ARMM is still part of GRP, but autonomous in nature. (in fact, gihimo man gali ug pilot ang ARMM rn sa first automated elections this coming days)

Ancestral domain in Mindanao is not the only case that happened in the world. Even the Maori tribe in NZ has been bidding an agreement to gain autonomy over their land.

[Jeffrey]

Look, the Manila / Philippine government messed up again!

This should be included in the list of reasons why Cebu should stop pushing the idea of becoming the capital of the Philippines.