Mga Cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia?

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide Off T: your voice or anyone's voice can be heard in this forum but give due respect to the voice of other people by not shooting down their opinions as if you are always right. ikaw, if people tell you ennngk, does it show respect to you? now, isn't that ad hominem? you can share your intelligent opinions without having to resort to that kind of language. be sensitive sad kay if even you are just being funny, nobody can see your smiling face.

OT:
honestly, it's not an ad hominem or even close to being called self-righteous. did i attack the person, not the argument? did i ever stop somebody from rebutting my arguments? though it may seem to u that i am posting as if im always right, it's not. i'm just too talkative that's why...i even admitted that i was wrong on some of my arguments to tinsi, how simple can that be? have u read my latest discussion w/ tinsi? we were doing fine...and what i did was not intended to be funny funny. it is supposed to be an idiomatic expression.

if somebody tells me "ennngk wrong", i will not take it as a disrespect towards me as a person. i will take it instead as an idiomatic rebuttal against my argument. it will hurt my pride or ego, and of course i will not smile. who wouldn't? but making sense in all that, the other person may be right.

and now u r telling me now how to share my opinions? so who is self-righteous now?

in forums, sometimes rebuttals (and the technique on how it's done) may be too sensitive to accept. sometimes it hurts our pride and ego. if somehow i did it to u, i apologize for that. Just remember that this is a Politics & Current Events forum. It may not be recommendable for the faint-hearted. just a thought though.

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide mind you, if it was my intention to be sarcastic to you or anyone else, i could have quoted your post. it is merely suggestion and observation so that posters do not feel degraded and raising the blood pressure of some can be avoided.

OT:
still it's the same. although u did not quote directly to me, ur observation is still criticizing forumers. that's ad hominem no matter what ur intentions are.

if u have suggestions & observations about forumers here, this is not the right place to do it. We have moderators that could just gladly take your PM.

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide On T: I think as of now, poll result shows that cebuanos are not proud of WG. i hope more istoryans will join the poll.

yeah. i also hope so. but we could have been more specific as to what in Winston should we be proud of or not. is it his being the president of GSIS? is it his making noise at Meralco? or is it about his personal character?

coz anybody can say i'm proud of him as GSIS president, but not on his noise at Meralco...

i could be wrong, but it could have been better if we say, "Proud ba mo ni Winston sa gibuhat niya sa Meralco?"...
(sorry if i talk too much)

[Motownkid]

no dili ko proud kay dugay kaau nakuha ang pension sa akong lola sa una..

[ong76win2]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide agree. just an observation though. some of us here believes that they know more or have a better grasp of the issue than the others, that they tend to correct or shot down the ideas of others. while it is healthy to share ideas, outrightly blasting another idea is sick unless you are totally sure that the facts stated are accurate and you are an expert on the issue. little knowledge can be dangerous. on topic: Mga cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia? I think it can be answered by a yes or no, proud, dili or neutral.

Yes, you are right bro.

[ong76win2]

You mean bro, be specific.

[o_bama]

definetly di gyd ko proud ni Winston Garcia being a cebuano I hate him and the Garcia's in general...I could say that the Osmenas are better than them...

[godwhacker]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy haaay salamat. naay nitabang nako ug explain. u hit the nail ryt!

Quote: Originally Posted by baby_grace Were it not for the loud noise made by Garcia in pressuring Meralco officials, consumers would not know about the overcharging made by power firms, loopholes in the energy laws will not be seen, and measures to lower electricity rates will not be discussed.

Kini ay! bug-at kaayo ni nga comment ni Baby_Grace. THis makes a lot of sense.

The Lopezes with the ERC on their side is so swollen-headed that they looked like gods as if they are untouchables. Now let's step back a little and well try to ponder a little bit... tsk..tsk...tsk. suppose... If Winston is successful in bringing down the power rates up to 20% as what he boasted earlier, then what? Ma proud kaha ta sa iyang gibuhat? True this remains to be seen but imagine the unimaginable.

In fairness to Winston, lisud man sad ug sawayon gihapon sya kung na deliver nya iyang gipanghambug. That is already personal and tainted with political color. Ang uban dire gud kay dunay mga personal reasons like wala kadawat ug pension, na delay etc,etc. These are purely personal reasons. Pero ato kuno tan-awon kung ibasi lang nato sa trabaho.

[akosabni]

d ko proud niya, of what he did

he should transfer to ERC if he wants to regulate the power sector

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by godwhacker Kini ay! bug-at kaayo ni nga comment ni Baby_Grace. THis makes a lot of sense. The Lopezes with the ERC on their side is so swollen-headed that they looked like gods as if they are untouchables. Now let's step back a little and well try to ponder a little bit... tsk..tsk...tsk. suppose... If Winston is successful in bringing down the power rates up to 20% as what he boasted earlier, then what? Ma proud kaha ta sa iyang gibuhat? True this remains to be seen but imagine the unimaginable. In fairness to Winston, lisud man sad ug sawayon gihapon sya kung na deliver nya iyang gipanghambug. That is already personal and tainted with political color. Ang uban dire gud kay dunay mga personal reasons like wala kadawat ug pension, na delay etc,etc. These are purely personal reasons. Pero ato kuno tan-awon kung ibasi lang nato sa trabaho.

mao gyud.

it is vital to ponder on what made some people to think why they are not proud of Mr. Garcia. looking at the poll, daghn ang dili proud ni Winston. so here it goes:

(1) is it because of GSIS's alleged inefficiency & insensitivity? like for instance a lola (a retired teacher) who did not receive her GSIS pension up till now?

"Juan Miguel Luz, formerly education undersecretary for finance and administration and now president of the International Institute for Rural Reconstruction, has indicated, there are fundamental flaws in GSIS thinking. We can come up with technological innovations that look great on paper but if the basic requirements for the successful implementation of such innovations do not exist, these systems become a heavy burden on the folks who are supposed to be benefited.

Why come up with an eCard system, sounds very modern and classy, when 80 percent of our teachers who represent a major group of government workers are not within reach of an automated teller machine? This observation is true not just as it concerns teachers, but also as it touches most retired government workers. In the hands of good managers, computerization can be a tool for efficiency and better services. In the hands of stupid individuals, computerization is a dangerous tool that may actually result in more sufferings for the very people they were designed to serve."---Ramon J. Farolan, Inquirer, 06/25/2007

(2) is it because he is from a Garcia family that u despise? if his genealogy will be our basis, this will be unfair coz if for example, u hate Pablo, Alvin, or even Gwen Garcia. Does it automatically mean that u hate Winston also? do we really know him?

(3) is it because he got the balls to go against the Lopezes and make noise at Meralco? do u hate his aggressiveness & perceived arrogance and not the arrogance of the Lopezes instead?

(4) is it because he is an administration ally? IMHO, even if he is a PGMA ally, political affiliation is out of the question regarding this Meralco case. The most important thing here is, would his actions benefit the general public? Besides, Mr. Garcia is not a politician. He is a corporate person.

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UPDATE: Does everybody know that Meralco has hired the services of Ms. Judy Ann Santos for an infomercial about Systems Loss Charges? have u seen it? what do u think about it? Useful or not?

here's more. this is an excerpt of his interview by ANC's Ricky Carandang before the stockholder's meeting:

ANC: What can we expect to happen at the stockholder's meeting [on May 26]?

GARCIA: Nothing. There will be a vote. We'll vote in accordance to our shares. And I think it will be a very unexciting event.

ANC: Really? The build up to it is there might be some efforts to oust or remove the current management?

GARCIA: No. We are calling for a change for the management. However, we are not interested in taking control of management. That's a different thing.
Management does not own Meralco although they are acting as if they own Meralco. Its the shareholders that own Meralco. We are reaching out to the
Lopez group ... telling them and trying to convince them of changing management

ANC: You want the management to be replaced by another managing team?

GARCIA: A more professional and more competent management team. I even said to the Lopez group that they can take the lead in recommending who they want to put in place. We can just have a secondment.

ANC: Do you feel that they have not been listening to you?

GARCIA: I believe as a major shareholder, they should not have monopoly on how things should be run in Meralco. They should listen to us considering that as a block we have 35% and they are 33.4%. As a block, they should listen to us.

ANC: These actions that you are taking are a reaction to what you say, they're not listening to you?

GARCIA: No. I blame management for the high cost electricity that we consumers in this franchise area is paying. My only example is that in Cebu I pay only P6.80 per kilowatthour. But in Meralco [franchise], I pay P10.30 per kwh. Why am I paying P3 less in Cebu than in this franchise area of Meralco when Meralco should charge cheaper than what is charged than by the distributor in Cebu simply because they a have a higher consumer base. More people will undertake to pay for the cost of operation.

ANC: [And] You want to change the management?

GARCIA: I want to change the management. We are calling for a change in management. We are reaching out to the Lopez group to help us find new
management -- more professional, more competent than the present management that we have.

ANC: You are not interested in taking over? You want to be heard? You're telling the Lopez group "Let's get rid of this management let's find management we can agree on.

GARCIA: We are not even interested in involving ourselves in management. This is something that the shareholders that will agree upon so that this is for the good of everybody.

ANC: Part of the reason why people pay higher in Luzon is because of ...

GARCIA: ... because of mismanagement by the present management of Meralco

ANC: What kind?

GARCIA: Number 1 is the administrative bureaucracy of Meralco. It's too top heavy and something has to be done about it. There are reports that we have received that there are more supervisors and executives than rank-and-file [employees]. This is something that has to be addressed. Number 2, they are not doing something about these systems losses.

The fact that they are allowed by the law to charge these to consumers is no justification for them not to do something about these systems losses. For example, the pilferages -- stolen electricity. The consuming public is being made to pay for it.

When I ask them "What are you doing about this pilferages?" They can't answer. Where are these pilferages going? Who are doing these pilferages? And the most intriguing question that I ask them is how sure are you that these pilferages are not done by management? I'm not accusing anything but since that couldn't give me specifics of the pilferage how can we not tell the public that management is not part of these pilferages. What's why I'm calling for more
transparency in Meralco.

ANC: What do u want to happen to the system lost?

GARCIA: I want an honest to goodness effort of the company to really go after the pilferages to those who are stealing the electricity. I believe there is no
effort in that.

ANC: What's the systems loss?

GARCIA: Systems loss is more than 10%

ANC: At the stockholders meeting, there doesn't look like that nothing is going to happen, there's a voice there that's not going to be ignored?

GARCIA: Yes. I hope the controlling shareholders will have to listen to us. Otherwise, this is not a good corporate governance and a sign of arrogance if
they will not listen to the voice of a major shareholder.

ANC: How confident are you that they might agree [to your call]?

GARCIA: I have no expectations that my call for change of management will be
resolved.

ANC: What happens if nothing happens to change the management as what you have said?

GARCIA: Maybe we will have to make management more accountable now.

ANC: Is it possible that the Meralco management or shareholders are perceiving this as a squeeze by the government?

GARCIA: No. You and I know that we are very independent in running the affairs of GSIS. I have made a controversial decisions. ... It resulted to the
unpopularity of the president. But the president never interferes.

ANC: So you are acting independently?

GARCIA: Yes, for me I think this is the call of the time. Whether we like it not we have to address the rising cost of electricity and we have to find out
whether this a reasonable. Whether we like it or not we are suffering because of the overcharge of Meralco. I, for one, see the gleaming difference in
kilowatthour in Cebu and in Manila.

ANC: I don't see how this stockholders meeting will be very quiet.

GARCIA: The meeting will be very quiet ... contrary to what the present management is claiming in order to take sympathy. This is not a government
takeover. GSIS is not interested in taking over. We have talked to the Lopez group to discuss whether they can change the management and how we can stop the ongoing mismanagent of Meralco by the current management.

[xxkatgorgeousxx]

gi-research gyud bro?

but so far, daghan man gyud wa ganahi ni garcia..vote mu guys!

[omar50071]

No matter how noble Mr. Garcia's intentions are, I cant help but smell dead stinking rats behind all his moves, that goes also to all who voted against him dinhi sa forum cguro.

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by xxkatgorgeousxx gi-research gyud bro? but so far, daghan man gyud wa ganahi ni garcia..vote mu guys!

no bro, it did not take deep research. it only took googling "Winston Garcia"...and i stumbled upon an article of his interview at ANC.

IMHO, when i read that interview, it makes a lot of sense...

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by omar50071 No matter how noble Mr. Garcia's intentions are, I cant help but smell dead stinking rats behind all his moves, that goes also to all who voted against him dinhi sa forum cguro.

the votes are understandable. The fact that GSIS is hounded by controversies up till now is the very big factor behind it. and hey, 2010 elections are getting closer and closer & people could also be speculating now that he has a hidden intention to run for senator or somethin'. in other words, they smell something fishy.

anyways, if u read that ANC interview on Winston that i posted, u could get swayed by his words...actually, good one.

now back to the Garcia family, i can't seem to understand why some people hate them. If i'm not mistaken, they had their humble beginnings just like any middle-class family were before but succeeded in climbing the ladder w/o a scratch to their reputation. Not until now that controversies around them have erupted. From CICC scandal to Igat2x sa Sugbu, to GSIS and then to Meralco.

On a personal level, I'm not really familiar w/ the Pablo Garcia clan. Pablo was our governor before & is now a congressman. His wife is the founder of a very successful decades-old cooperative CFIC, his daughter is our incumbent governor, one of his sons is a congressman i think, and the other is the thinker of the famous CPDRC algorithm dance. and lastly, his other son Winston is head of GSIS.

I'm quite familiar w/ the Jesus Garcia clan though. Jesus Garcia Sr., Pablo's brother, is a respectable person who owns a respectable and reliable newspaper, Sun.Star Daily, and a tabloid, Superbalita. His son Sonny Jr. was former DOTC sec during Ramos time and has a private law firm to attend to at Ayala FGU. His wife is now Consul/Ambassador to Russia. His brother Alvin was former Cebu City mayor.

This clan is quite an achiever if u come to think of it...

[rjdc_23]

knxai may ma proud na Cebuano na2 na kadugo kurakot pas hari.....corrupt fat beast

[RyanYap]

Winston is GMA's Attack Dog, BullDOg, and Mad DOg!! HE wasn't even able to solve GSIS pensioner's problem and anomalies now he is sweeping other's backyard!!?? O c'mon winston!! your truly belong to the blood of Garcia Clan a clan of TRADITIONAL POLITICIAN!

[goryo13]

dili.

maayo siguro iyang unahon og banghag ang goberno... unsaon niya pag pagamay ang tax sa crudo og gasolina kay ganahan man kaha siya "motabang" sa mga pobre pag alleviate sa ilang kalisud.. unya ipa kuha na niya ang EVAT og uban pang mga taxes nga nakapasamot pagpa mahal sa mga paliton... sakto gyud tong ming ingon diri nga binoang para sa usa ka shareholder pag unay pag rombo sa iyang kaugalingong kompaniya nga naa siyay investment.. laliman kag perti nang gamaya sa value sa ilang share sa stock market karon.. pastilan gayud nemi winstona ka!